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oldstuff Nov 25, 2014 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6820804)
In the past we've covered several round (and rotating) bars in the downtown Los Angeles area
..but recently I came across this.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/Xax0dR.png
https://www.flickr.com/photos/797613...ream/lightbox/

I was like, where the heck was this one?

well I finally found the other half, and it was located in Covina of all places!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/kfJT5K.png
https://www.flickr.com/photos/797613...n/photostream/


I came across this comment concerning the 'rotabar'. It mentions a large roof-top sign showing a boy blowing a horn.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...903/Suu8un.png
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61214504@N00/

As most of you know, I'm an aficionado of roof-top signs so I quickly began a quest for a photograph of the horn blowing boy sign.

And I've come up with.........ZILCH....NOTHING. :(

Anyone want to try their hand at finding this elusive sign for me?
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The restaurant was part of a chain, at least in Southern California. Ruby Lane Antiques has a platter on their site now which has the name and a picture of the boy with the horn. The plate says "Dinnerhorn Restaurants of Southern California" According to the blurb with the platter there were 10 of these restaurants in the area. Another site, called "Tiki Central" shows a different matchbook cover with a list: Pico Rivera, Bellflower, Whittier, Covina, Pomona, Montclair, Downey, Anaheim and Riverside. The Dinnerhorn company also owned restaurants with other names as well, but NO LUCK with the sign however...

Martin Pal Nov 25, 2014 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 6820280)
http://www.trbimg.com/img-5473abc2/t...24/550/550x309
(latimes.com)

The radio tower will be moved to its original location at Sunset Bronson Studios in Hollywood after structural retrofitting and renovation, according to KTLA-TV.

It will sure be odd not to see the KTLA tower looming over Hollywood in that location. The above says that the tower will be relocated to its original location on Bronson. Will it? I've become cynical when so many things of the past were announced to be relocated and were not, or other places, like some restaurants, were closing for remodeling, but never were.

This reminded me of the location right across the street (Van Ness Ave.) from KTLA that had a distinctive "icon" for many years. What I first knew as Metromedia Square/KTTV Channel 11 was located at 5746 Sunset Blvd. at Van Ness Ave.

This is an aerial showing Metromedia Square (outlined) in 1994.
To be honest, I didn't know it encompassed that large an area.
To the left of Metromedia across Van Ness is KTLA where the tower is located.
The triangle shaped area across the street to the north is a Denny's Restaurant.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...QQ_outline.jpg
Cropped from a 1998 USGS DOQQ scan of "Hollywood NW"

The icon I am referring to is the art installation on the rooftop of the building, titled "Starsteps." You might recall this E_R.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Metromedia.JPG
Mark Goodson

This was lit up and bright white at night and could not be missed traveling up the Hollywood Freeway at night. You would always know where the Sunset Blvd. exit was located without needing to read any signs.

What I did not know until recently was that this location started out as the Nassour Studios. They were built in 1946 and officially opened Jan. 1, 1947.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour2.jpgEdward Nassour

Nassour's son writes: My dad purchased the land on Sunset in the early forties. Originally, there were just the old, one story commercial structures and one of them was converted into a rather small shooting stage. My dad...had the old buildings demolished and went ahead with the new construction. A modern Art Deco-styled projection room and modern offices were located on the buildings fronting Sunset.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour3.jpgEdward Nassour

Dressing rooms were constructed adjacent to stages 1 and 2. An old converted two story apartment building located down the street on Van Ness housed producers and writers. Over 100 independent films were shot there while under my family's ownership, Orson Wells had offices at the studio as did Paul Henreid along with Pine-Thomas Productions.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour1.jpgEdward Nassour

Nassour Studios (1947–1950). In 1950 my dad sold the studio to Norman Chandler who owned The Los Angeles Times. He was looking for a facility to permanently house KTTV channel 11 and my dad's studio fit the bill perfectly. The sound stages had been built with television production in mind.

Times-Mirror Company owned it from 1950–1963 and was known as KTTV Studios from 1950-1967.
Metromedia owned it from 1963–2000. After a major renovation in 1967 it was known as Metromedia Square.
It was also known as Fox Television Center from 1986 –1996.

Many famous television series were filmed or taped at Metromedia such as Three's Company and almost all of Norman Lear's shows like All in the Family, Maude, Good Times and The Jeffersons. I saw several series taped here in the late 70's and early 80's. (I saw an All in the Family and I remember one called Apple Pie starring Rue McClanahan, Jack Gilford and Dabney Coleman.)

Metromedia sold the land to the Los Angeles Unified School District in 2000. The building was demolished by the school district in 2003.

Here's a photo, taken Saturday, April 19, 2003, to be exact, right before the studio was demolished, showing some of the ghost signage over the years.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour5.jpgEdward Nassour

Now, in the places where cultural touchstones like Walter and Maude argued, Archie and Edith disagreed, Jack, Janet and Chrissy invited us to knock on their door and the Jeffersons moved on up, students run track and play football and hopefully learn something at the Helen Bernstein High School, a campus which opened in 2008.

(You can see the KTLA tower at the southwest corner of Sunset and Van Ness, near that tall bluish-green building, which must be relatively new. The Denny's Restaurant is still there, too.)

http://www.perkinswill.com/files/pro...ial_main10.jpgHollywood Aerial Art Academy

It looks like the site's filming days are not over, though. An article about the school being used as a major filming site for Glee, HERE!

ethereal_reality Nov 25, 2014 10:02 PM

:previous: Very interesting post Martin_Pal. I had forgotten all about the 'Starsteps' sculpture on the roof. When I saw your photograph of it, it instantly came back to me.
And I had never heard of the Nassour Studios....until now.
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Thanks for the additional information on the Dinnerhorn oldstuff. Here's the platter you mentioned.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/SjWOKn.png
http://www.rubylane.com/item/192576-...fornia-platter

...now, if we can just find that photograph. :)
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Martin Pal Nov 25, 2014 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6820763)
I also found this slide last night. I believe it's from the same seller that posted the 1962 Vermont Avenue slide that we just discussed.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/cyExws.jpg
ebay
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Whoo-hoo, E_R!, that's the closest and only close-up photo I've seen of the direct front of the Coffee Dan's on Vine Street! (Dang that vehicle, though!)

Now can you find one of the front of Coffee Dan's on Hollywood Blvd. near Highland! :haha:

What year does anyone suppose the photo is from? It can't be 1962 as Capitol Records had moved by then. The cars look 1940's to me.

By the way, in other photos of this area from afar, I've tried to make out what the store is on the right of Coffee Dan's...and close-up I still can't read it! :shrug:

Thanks for finding this, E_R, I love it.

http://waterandpower.org/5%20Histori..._St_ca1948.jpgDept. of Water & Power/DWP

srk1941 Nov 25, 2014 10:57 PM

The newest car I see is the back of a 1949-50 Ford...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6820977)
Whoo-hoo, E_R!, that's the closest and only close-up photo I've seen of the direct front of the Coffee Dan's on Vine Street! (Dang that vehicle, though!)

Now can you find one of the front of Coffee Dan's on Hollywood Blvd. near Highland! :haha:

What year does anyone suppose the photo is from? It can't be 1962 as Capitol Records had moved by then. The cars look 1940's to me.

By the way, in other photos of this area from afar, I've tried to make out what the store is on the right of Coffee Dan's...and close-up I still can't read it! :shrug:

Thanks for finding this, E_R, I love it.


CityBoyDoug Nov 25, 2014 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6820804)
In the past we've covered several round (and rotating) bars in the downtown Los Angeles area
..but recently I came across this.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/Xax0dR.png


Is this really special? Back in my bar days, I sat at many bars that seemed to be rotating.

:cheers::D

ethereal_reality Nov 25, 2014 11:28 PM

:previous: lol CBD.


once more....(and a bit larger)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/cyExws.jpgebay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6820977)
I've tried to make out what the store is on the right of Coffee Dan's...and close-up I still can't read it! :shrug:

Martin_Pal, I found the store you asked about in the 1956 Los Angeles directory

It's the shop of designer tailor Beni Gerson (which seems to match the signage).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/M7KYN5.png
LAPL
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HossC Nov 25, 2014 11:59 PM

Here's a token for the Dinnerhorn that I found on eBay.

"The greatest guy in the world - the man who takes his family out to dine"

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rhornToken.jpg
eBay

I also came across a short article titled Things that aren’t here anymore on insidesocal.com. There was no information in the article itself, but among the comments I found the following post by Barbara Karady:

"Our employee, Lucky White, built the Rotabar, the only rotating bar in Southern California, in the Dinnerhorn Restaurant on Azusa in Covina. Lucky also created the "star" that appeared on top of the Eastland Mall in Covina, CA.

I have researched all that I am able, and have not found anything in the Covina Argus or from Google.

Can you help me with any information about these 2 creations?

Lucky White worked for Valencia Heights Water Company (VHWC) and the company is celebrating its 100th Anniversary. His wife (89 years old) still works for VHWC and I would love to honor her husband at a staff dinner at the old Dinnerhorn, now Clearman's Northwood's Inn, October 17, 2012.

Can you help?

I would appreciate any information that you could share.

Thank you."


This is Clearman's North Woods Inn. Looking at the old aerial pictures, the plot was still filled with trees in 1948. The 1954 image shows the plot cleared, but there are still plenty of trees nearby. The first structure on the site appears in the 1965 image, which also shows a large building and huge parking lot across the street to the north. The current restaurant building appears to be unchanged since around 1972. Incidentally, the 1972 image shows writing on the roof of the large building across the street, which identifies it as belonging to Conrac. The Conrac building was replaced by a gated housing development sometime between 1980 and 1995.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWoodsInn.jpg
GSV

CityBoyDoug Nov 26, 2014 1:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6821100)
Here's a token for the Dinnerhorn that I found on eBay.


http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...thWoodsInn.jpg
GSV

My older brother liked Clearman's North Woods restaurants. Our family went there many times...usually a birthday dinner. If you want to talk to the person sitting next to you, this is not the place to go. The noise level is off the chart. But, if you want to ignore one of your in-laws....its perfect.

They have free peanuts on the table and you throw the shells on the floor...lovely barn ambiance.
:P:P:P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psef90e16d.jpg
Clearman's franchise

Arch2000 Nov 26, 2014 1:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6820930)
It will sure be odd not to see the KTLA tower looming over Hollywood in that location. The above says that the tower will be relocated to its original location on Bronson. Will it? I've become cynical when so many things of the past were announced to be relocated and were not, or other places, like some restaurants, were closing for remodeling, but never were.

This reminded me of the location right across the street (Van Ness Ave.) from KTLA that had a distinctive "icon" for many years. What I first knew as Metromedia Square/KTTV Channel 11 was located at 5746 Sunset Blvd. at Van Ness Ave.

This is an aerial showing Metromedia Square (outlined) in 1994.
To be honest, I didn't know it encompassed that large an area.
To the left of Metromedia across Van Ness is KTLA where the tower is located.
The triangle shaped area across the street to the north is a Denny's Restaurant.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...QQ_outline.jpg
Cropped from a 1998 USGS DOQQ scan of "Hollywood NW"

The icon I am referring to is the art installation on the rooftop of the building, titled "Starsteps." You might recall this E_R.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Metromedia.JPG
Mark Goodson

This was lit up and bright white at night and could not be missed traveling up the Hollywood Freeway at night. You would always know where the Sunset Blvd. exit was located without needing to read any signs.

What I did not know until recently was that this location started out as the Nassour Studios. They were built in 1946 and officially opened Jan. 1, 1947.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour2.jpgEdward Nassour

Nassour's son writes: My dad purchased the land on Sunset in the early forties. Originally, there were just the old, one story commercial structures and one of them was converted into a rather small shooting stage. My dad...had the old buildings demolished and went ahead with the new construction. A modern Art Deco-styled projection room and modern offices were located on the buildings fronting Sunset.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour3.jpgEdward Nassour

Dressing rooms were constructed adjacent to stages 1 and 2. An old converted two story apartment building located down the street on Van Ness housed producers and writers. Over 100 independent films were shot there while under my family's ownership, Orson Wells had offices at the studio as did Paul Henreid along with Pine-Thomas Productions.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour1.jpgEdward Nassour

Nassour Studios (1947–1950). In 1950 my dad sold the studio to Norman Chandler who owned The Los Angeles Times. He was looking for a facility to permanently house KTTV channel 11 and my dad's studio fit the bill perfectly. The sound stages had been built with television production in mind.

Times-Mirror Company owned it from 1950–1963 and was known as KTTV Studios from 1950-1967.
Metromedia owned it from 1963–2000. After a major renovation in 1967 it was known as Metromedia Square.
It was also known as Fox Television Center from 1986 –1996.

Many famous television series were filmed or taped at Metromedia such as Three's Company and almost all of Norman Lear's shows like All in the Family, Maude, Good Times and The Jeffersons. I saw several series taped here in the late 70's and early 80's. (I saw an All in the Family and I remember one called Apple Pie starring Rue McClanahan, Jack Gilford and Dabney Coleman.)

Metromedia sold the land to the Los Angeles Unified School District in 2000. The building was demolished by the school district in 2003.

Here's a photo, taken Saturday, April 19, 2003, to be exact, right before the studio was demolished, showing some of the ghost signage over the years.

http://www.movielocationsplus.com/nassour5.jpgEdward Nassour

Now, in the places where cultural touchstones like Walter and Maude argued, Archie and Edith disagreed, Jack, Janet and Chrissy invited us to knock on their door and the Jeffersons moved on up, students run track and play football and hopefully learn something at the Helen Bernstein High School, a campus which opened in 2008.

(You can see the KTLA tower at the southwest corner of Sunset and Van Ness, near that tall bluish-green building, which must be relatively new. The Denny's Restaurant is still there, too.)

http://www.perkinswill.com/files/pro...ial_main10.jpgHollywood Aerial Art Academy

It looks like the site's filming days are not over, though. An article about the school being used as a major filming site for Glee, HERE!

I don't have any pictures to share, but my father worked here for many years (first as Metromedia, and then as Fox). As a kid I loved wandering around the news set, the scenic shop, and a few stages. I saw them do some run-throughs for 'Small wonder' once.

I used to have a map of the studios, from the directory published in the late 80's, I doubt I have it any more.

Also, the KTLA tower is featured extensively (although digitally altered with different call letters) in the Nightcrawler movie which is currently out

ethereal_reality Nov 26, 2014 2:11 AM

:previous: Do you recommend Nightcrawler Arch2000? I heard the 'look' of the film is pretty impressive...very neo-noirish.
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Still no Dinnerhorn bugle blowing boy, but I found a whole family atop an A&W in La Puente (just south of West Covina), circa 1965.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/Ler0dX.png
http://westcovinalapuentebaldwinpark...ente-1965.html
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ethereal_reality Nov 26, 2014 2:35 AM

I just came across this obscure postcard on ebay.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/B1hKfh.jpgebay

(it's a bit hard to read)

"Aviary No.1 of E.M. Grider's Birdland.
1301-1313 Central Avenue, Los Angeles Cal."

*using Skyscraperpage's search function.......'Birdland' came up with nothing.
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ethereal_reality Nov 26, 2014 3:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 6820340)
The river in Burbank had more water in it in days past. My dad, who was born on another ranch in Burbank in 1913, learned to swim in the river.

It (and the Tujunga Wash) was certainly large enough during this rainy period in 1938. (photos are of the Burbank area...including Warner Bros. and Universal)

#1
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/LdhOfz.jpgebay

#2
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/G2A0BX.jpgebay

#3
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/ngJ1qj.jpgebay

#4
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/ZJYYsR.jpgebay

#5
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/8fqVqX.jpgebay

#6
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/xB2PHV.jpgebay

#7
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/fxQWZr.jpgebay

#8
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/3y4I5Q.jpgebay

#9
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/UVekRD.jpgebay

#10
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/KfpKJa.jpgebay

#11
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/xWPjve.jpgebay

#12
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/RibvAd.jpgebay

All photographs are from someone's personal notebook. I've never taken the time to post them before. (I hope it isn't overkill)
I found them a couple years ago on ebay.

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Noircitydame Nov 26, 2014 3:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jg6544 (Post 6820626)
The suntanning fad is mostly a post-WWII thing. Women, in particular, were supposed to have pale white skin.

Actually, the tanning fad started in the late 1920s, a bit after this photo was taken. You see way fewer bathing gals with parasols after 1927, and the 1929 women's bathing suit for example had a deep-V "sun back." and Elizabeth Arden (and others) started marketing sunburn creams then for those who took their tanning too far, along with fake-tan makeup for legs for the tan-challenged.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...930sunsuit.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...0-med19351.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...5-med19291.jpg

HossC Nov 26, 2014 3:19 AM

As Pee Wee Marquette once said, "Ladies and gentlemen, as you know, we have something special down here at Birdland this evening." (OK, so he was talking about the New York jazz club and not this attraction in Los Angeles). This article is from the December 25, 1910 edition of the Los Angeles Herald.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...d.jpg~original
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Here's Aviary No.3.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ABirdland2.jpg
SDSU Library

ethereal_reality Nov 26, 2014 4:07 AM

:previous: You work fast HossC. Bravo!
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Arch2000 Nov 26, 2014 7:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6821251)
:previous: Do you recommend Nightcrawler Arch2000? I heard the 'look' of the film is pretty impressive...very neo-noirish.

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It was OK, good acting but not too much of a story. Definitely not a date movie (unless you want to look good in comparison), but of interest to those of us here, as it's filmed entirely in the LA area, with many recognizable streets and landmarks.

CityBoyDoug Nov 26, 2014 9:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6821313)
It was certainly large enough during this rainy period in 1938.
#10
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/KfpKJa.jpgebay

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The flooding of 1938 was catastrophic.

Duration.... February-March 1938
Fatalities.... 113-115
Damages.... About US$40 million ($627 million in 2011 dollars)

5,601 buildings destroyed
1,500 buildings damaged
several small towns completely destroyed
Large portions of Riverside and Orange counties completely inundated.

I can remember old-timers talking about it when I was young.

oldstuff Nov 26, 2014 3:12 PM

In 1938 there was some flooding on New Year's Eve. My mother told a story about going to a New Year's party at the house that is just to the right of the gate to Miradero (Brand Castle/Library) in Glendale and having so much water come down the canyon and down Grandview Blvd. that they could not go home and had to stay the night. The house, which is still there, is on a slight rise and was not damaged. My parents lived in Burbank and my dad said that the street that they lived on was not paved then and there was a giant hole washed in front of their house and that they city's new police care practically disappeared into the water filled hole.

ethereal_reality Nov 26, 2014 3:38 PM

1938
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/674/GXxoW3.png



This is Woodbridge and Elmer today. Do you think this could be same house remodeled? (I haven't checked any of the other locations)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/SDibLb.png
GSV
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