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GaylordWilshire Jan 18, 2017 10:51 PM

:previous:


I suppose the people in the back seat are eating hamburgers.

The car is a '32 Ford--first year of the famous flathead V8

tovangar2 Jan 18, 2017 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7682269)
Several (three) wheelchairs seen in the classroom photos, wonder why?

C. Morley Sellery is a Special Ed School

ethereal_reality Jan 19, 2017 12:16 AM

Okay, at risk of......

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5750/QpYazY.gif


re: "the cluster of structures"
Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m
This would be the driveway shared by the cluster of structures that was the successful Grant Beach Art School (had a run of about 20 years).
This school was also a scene for gay creative types.

I'm still rather mystified by this group of art studios hidden away at the back of this dead-end alley off of Figueroa.


Do we know which of these buildings actually made up the art 'school'?

Was it something like this?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/2sMCT9.jpg
1936 detail / originally posted by HossC at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23532



or this
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/wbOUei.jpg
1936 detail / originally posted by HossC


Not to sound too terribly slow, but which home exactly was Evelyn Nesbit's
this one?
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/y43W7u.jpg

And is that her art studio attached to the back of the house--- (if that's the case...maybe the art school was on the north side of the alley instead of where I thought it was)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7681002)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p1...366-h768-rw-no
LAT of 3-28-48:

Grant Beach-- his address in some references came up "413 N Figueroa"--which fits.

I'm surprised by the lack of Grant Beach Studio photographs other than the "Evelyn Nesbit by the water-cooler" photo that t2 found (and that was probably taken in her nearby home, right?)

(the second Nesbit photo was taken in Long Beach at an art fair so that doesn't count)

I have a feeling there is a lot more information waiting to be found / We just haven't found it yet.

Keep sleuthing my friends. ;)
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ethereal_reality Jan 19, 2017 12:45 AM

I forgot to add this.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/haRlM1.jpg
detail / 1950



Full photograph here:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ef656032bd.jpg

GaylordWilshire Jan 19, 2017 1:01 AM

:previous:

Not sure which building might have been Evelyn's....

But I did just remember something about her L.A. connections... son Russell--whose father was apparently not Harry, who at the apparent time of conception was incarcerated in the Matteawan [NY] State Hospital for the Criminally Insane after he shot Stanford White-- married the very proper Katherine Roberts in 1936. Her father was Wesley Roberts, a major Los Angeles developer, who built and lived at 21 Berkeley Square; he was living at 505 S Irving in Windsor Square during Katherine's brief marriage. Russell turned out to be about as charming as his nominal father...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UJ...366-h768-rw-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Z4...366-h768-rw-no
LAT 12-13-1939

tovangar2 Jan 19, 2017 1:19 AM

Thank you HossC for demystifying the Polyanna Club.
............................................................................



http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5750/QpYazY.gif

I can do that too e_r :-)

Tourmaline recently brought up the Tomb of Mausolus, a subject which fascinates me. We only have hints of its actual form from brief written descriptions. These gave rise to many (maybe fanciful) ideas about its actual appearance, which, in turn, have had a long run as inspiration to later architects.

As the informative wikipedia page relates, the Tomb of Mausolus, counted as one of the wonders of the ancient world, is why we call above-ground tombs "mausoleums". The actual tomb is now commonly known as the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus (guessing calling it the Mausoleum of Mausolos would be a bit silly, akin to "The La Brea Tar Pits").

The design is now used for some sites of remembrance and also civic buildings (the latter application would seem to be just asking for it). More buildings inspired by the tomb are listed on the wiki page:

Civil Courts Building in St. Louis

National Newark Building in Newark, New Jersey

Grant's Tomb NYC

26 Broadway in New York City

Los Angeles City Hall

Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne, Australia

The spire of St. George's Church, Bloomsbury in London

Indiana War Memorial in Indianapolis

Chase Tower, Indianapolis

Masonic House of the Temple in Washington D.C.

Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hall in Pittsburgh

The list misses:

Miami-Dade Courthouse (originally designed for Atlanta by architect Ten Eyck Brown, but rejected by that municipality)

Central Library

Nebraska State Capitol

National Diet Building in Tokyo

all included in your post.


Of course no list is complete. If one gathered all the buildings that share the inspiration, one would have a good-sized, if rather confusing, town.

A favorite of mine, only insofar as it looks like a future echo of City Hall, is the Shrine of Remembrance (AKA "the Tomb of Gloom") in Melbourne:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Tl...nm0=w1366-h768
wiki

This is the actual tomb these days, destroyed by earthquakes and engulfed in an upscale suburban neighborhood in Bodrum, Turkey
(any decorative bits got hauled away to the British Museum. The bulk of the stone went to fortify the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem's nearby castle):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gu...4sQ=w1366-h768
wiki

Anyway, this too shall pass:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/95...ARU=w1366-h768
glamamor




Some late additions (thx everyone)

14 Wall, NYC

Straus Tower / Metropolitan Tower / Beehive Building, Chicago

Elizabeth Tower, London

Campanile di San Marco, Venice

GaylordWilshire Jan 19, 2017 1:34 AM

RIP Evelyn (Holy Cross Cemetery)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dM...366-h768-rw-no


:previous:

There is also 14 Wall here in NY (Bankers Trust Co Bldg)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fi...366-h768-rw-no

ethereal_reality Jan 19, 2017 1:46 AM

And there's the 1924 Straus Tower in Chicago

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/mDrSar.jpg
https://chicagology.com/skyscrapers/skyscrapers042/




It has a giant 'beehive' lantern on top that glows blue at night. (I forget the significance )

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/4fPqEC.jpg
http://www.chicagonow.com


Now back to Los Angeles! :)
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CityBoyDoug Jan 19, 2017 2:12 AM

Newly discovered 1934 photos of Louis Rude Payne, 21. Here visiting the family home where he ax murdered his mother and younger brother because they "nagged me incessantly". He's in the custody of police and detectives and his attorney. We've discussed him before on NLA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psoxyn72bo.jpg
CDfiles
Accompanied by defense attorney at trial for murder.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psygzl4yqp.jpg
ucla.edu

Louis never revealed the exact motive for the killings.

Link to CBD and ER posts on this topic:

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=30223

ethereal_reality Jan 19, 2017 2:24 AM

:previous: Good lookin' kid.....for a ax murderer.






Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7682551)

Russell Thaw was also a test pilot

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/5FDaUY.jpg
http://thetartanterror.blogspot.com/...1_archive.html

"He became a test pilot for Douglas Aircraft and participated in several programs.The first XB-43 took off on its maiden flight on May 17, 1946 , with test pilots Bob Brush and Russell Thaw.
He flew the first prototype XF3D-1 Skyknight on its initial flight on 23 March 1948."



this is a very cool pic.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/1fBKqt.jpg
http://thetartanterror.blogspot.com/...1_archive.html




ephemera
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/l5lVf6.jpg


And get this, he was also the personal pilot for the Guggenheim family! (I wonder if he flew Peggy around)
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Russell obviously made a good living, so why did Evelyn die penniless? He could have helped her out financially.
(I wonder if he's in that funeral photograph I posted yesterday)

He died in 1984.

GaylordWilshire Jan 19, 2017 2:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7682623)
Newly discovered 1934 photos of Louis Rude Payne, 21. Here visiting the family home where he ax murdered his mother and younger brother because they "nagged him incessantly". He's in the custody of police and detectives and his attorney. We've discussed him before on NLA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psoxyn72bo.jpg

Louis never revealed the exact motive for the killings.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZN...Yzg=w1366-h768
10587 Holman Ave



LAT 6-4-1934:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...366-h768-rw-nohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xl...2OQ=w1366-h768

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gd...hWg=w1366-h768
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cH...9Bw=w1366-h768

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uQ...1QQ=w1366-h768
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1D...89Q=w1366-h768

ethereal_reality Jan 19, 2017 2:35 AM

Spooky

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/uPRyCH.jpg
gsv

The devil in me would love to tell the current owners what happened there.


http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5346/OUKes5.gif

Is that bad?

tovangar2 Jan 19, 2017 3:00 AM

:previous:

LOL e_r, that's probably why they bought it
(& you thought you were bad)

tovangar2 Jan 19, 2017 3:54 AM

Thaw Men
 
e_r, that quote about Evelyn Nesbit's sculpture that had us confused? It was a quote from her grandson, Russell Hall Thaw, one of Russell William Shaw's three kids by his second wife. He was talking about his mother, Nesbit's daughter-in-law not giving the pieces house room.

(Lol, I've never gotten lost in a Cecilia Rasmussen article before.)

Here's three generations of Thaw men:

Harry Kendall Thaw in 1914, four years after the birth of RW Thaw:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9E...5_o=w1366-h768
murderpedia

Russell William Thaw, buried in Holy Cross, Culver City, like his mom:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Kb...Y6E=w1366-h768
pb

Russell Hall Thaw (an attorney in Van Nuys):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6P...Tio=w1366-h768
getty (detail)

I'm the last to know what's what, but you'd think if Harry wanted to plausibly deny paternity, he would have refused to participate in the conjugal visits with his wife (they were not divorced until 1916), not sent $3,650 per year in support or attempt to reconcile as late as 1926.

Nesbit tried to get the Thaw family to accept Russell, but they loathed and disapproved of her and wanted no permanent connection. For her part, Nesbit said, "A working girl could not fight the Thaw millions." Evelyn gave up trying to convince the terrifying "Mother Shaw", but continued to receive support payments from Harry. Nesbit's grandchildren, however, refer to Thaw as their grandfather.


Evelyn may have died "penniless", in that she had no estate, but someone was paying for her care in Santa Monica. I assume that was her son.


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newmansbuzz Jan 19, 2017 4:12 AM

Some Historic Buildings from cape may
 
http://gailwilsey.com/wp-content/upl...o-1024x391.png

CityBoyDoug Jan 19, 2017 5:04 AM

Here are the Payne males at the beach in happier times. At the left is the little brother that he killed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pssouzdcto.jpg

Many odd things about this event:

Why were the bedroom doors locked?

Why were the mother's pajamas stripped from her body, leaving her nude?

Why did the deceased brother appear to be the victim of a mock hanging?

Why were Louis's best clothes missing from the home? What happened to them?

Why did Louis take the electric train to Huntington Beach? [the family car was left in the garage]

Why was Louis carrying a fully loaded pistol when he surrendered?

Why was Louis immaculately dressed like a male fashion model when he arrived in Huntington Beach?

Finally...what was it that the mother and brother had many times said to him that set him off into a murderous rage?


santamonicadesign Jan 19, 2017 5:21 AM

Excuse me for interrupting here but I'm staying at the Milner Hotel on Flower this weekend and wondered if there's anything on the site about this cool-looking place. The weather forecast is cloudy and rainy so it should be the perfect noire Saturday night!http://www.milnerhoteldtla.com

CityBoyDoug Jan 19, 2017 5:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by santamonicadesign (Post 7682817)
Excuse me for interrupting here but I'm staying at the Milner Hotel on Flower this weekend and wondered if there's anything on the site about this cool-looking place. The weather forecast is cloudy and rainy so it should be the perfect noire Saturday night!http://www.milnerhoteldtla.com

Isn't the old Cecil Hotel still highly rated as the real deal in the arena of Noirism?

I'd call it the Mt. Everest of dark penultima LA Noir. [be sure to bring your own bottled water.]

CaliNative Jan 19, 2017 6:42 AM

"Girl on the Red Velvet Swing"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7680989)
Artist's model and best friend of J C Leyendecker...Charles Beach died in 1952. I don't believe there was any connection between famous model Beach and Nesbit.

In the mid 1950s they made a pretty bad film about the Nesbit-Thaw-Sanford White triangle murder scandal. "Girl on the Red Velvet Swing". Ray Milland played architect Sanford White besotted with 15ish Nesbit. Pretty bad film.

CaliNative Jan 19, 2017 6:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7682203)
When I hear "3636 Beverly Blvd.", American Storage springs to mind, as does Barkies' (down the street) and nearby Bimini Baths. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=37444 For clarity - American Storage is listed as "3634" in the '29 CD although the Storage "Building" is "3636" in the '36 CD. "3636" clearly had several businesses under the same roof. For example, the '34 CD lists Carbondale Machine Co. and Echo Drapery Studio (5th Floor) there. The '30 CD lists the Roof Garden Cafe, which arguably was above the roof. ;)



http://waterandpower.org/8%20Histori...orage_1928.jpghttp://waterandpower.org/8%20Histori...orage_1928.jpg



http://creepyla.com/wp-content/uploa...e4-632x959.jpghttp://creepyla.com/wp-content/uploa...e4-632x959.jpg



I recall seeing this image as part of the Life Magazine archives and wonder if we haven't seen it before (on NLA or another site).
http://www.dobrismodel.cz/wp-content...-life/auta.jpghttp://www.dobrismodel.cz/wp-content...-life/auta.jpg

I remember passing by that building when I was a kid in my parent's car on the Hollywood Freeway. I also remember the Richfield Tower in downtown L.A. I've been around and my memory is long.


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