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yep it sure will take a lot longer than it should, but its no pipedream, it will happen.

and yes, crossrail. a shame there is no national commitment to support projects anything like that here, much less 2nd ave.. the priority is always to support building new roads.

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 7199412)

^ i believe phase III is to take it 6 stations south from 63rd st to houston street, so even better.

then the final phase IV goes 4 more stations south to the hanover square finish line.

of course, even after that the northern end should be extended west crosstown along 125th. the growth in the city and manhattan will likely be stunning by that far flung time, so no doubt it will be sorely needed.

Agree. It seems to make such perfect sense to extend it westward so that there is an east/west subway at the northern end of Manhattan.

fewer than 6k riders daily at the new hudson yards station so far:

http://www.amny.com/transit/hudson-y...-it-1.11013289

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Originally Posted by Cynicism (Post 7213617)

There's not much there though. I wonder where these people are going? nowhere? ;) Seriously, how many people are just there to take a look at this shiny new station?

true and i dk if you clik'd that (call me cynical ha!), but it averaged 18,300 per day during comic con at the javits. so thats probably closer to what it will be like when some of those hudson yards bldgs open. until then ridership probably wont change much outside of major javits events.

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Originally Posted by Cynicism (Post 7213617)

There's not much there though. I wonder where these people are going? nowhere? ;) Seriously, how many people are just there to take a look at this shiny new station?

I used it to get to my Megabus stop...

It's useful for the current Coach office too.

Plus Javits convention go-ers use this station.

outrage over the approved mta capital plan that slashes away $1B for the second avenue subway, yet keeps the suburban oriented east side access funding in place:

http://nypost.com/2015/10/29/de-blas...s-over-harlem/

city council organizing around move ny, a plan to install tolls to help fund mta:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2416432

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Originally Posted by Cynicism (Post 7218812)

So wait....an infrastructure project in NYC being delayed again?

Damn, who would've thought.

now how did i know your cynicism would lead you to only comment on the negative story rather than the positive ones about east side access and the city counselors rallying around a funding plan for mta? :haha:

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for fun -- the have a date while you wait guy:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7745754

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 7218828)

It would be far more than encouraging that city counsellors were celebrating passing and implementing a new funding plan instead of rallying around one politically.
It would also be far more encouraging to read completing a project on time and on budget than reading about more delays and the resulting more cost overruns.

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Originally Posted by electricron (Post 7218930)

absolutely not -- you have to rally around political ideas and plans and get people on board first, that is how politics works, not the other way around. personally, i am not against moveny, but i have issues with it myself, because it penalizes locals too much and especially because i think the commuter tax bloomberg got rid of should be reinstated instead of or along with it to help pay for this stuff. so the moveny plan is no small action.

and as for second avenue, sure its disappointing to have the $ cut, but there may likely be no actual major delay. they have to move around a lot of buried infrastructure like pipes and wiring first, which will take it to the next budget anyway. so they would not be tunneling until then no matter what.

Green space or mass transit? A forgotten South Bronx rail line is suddenly the center of attention

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...creen&maxw=770
Regional Plan Association's proposed train line linking the Bronx to Queens and Brooklyn would be enhanced by a spur, shown in red, using existing right-of-way.

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An idea to transform a sunken freight-rail line in the South Bronx into a park is gaining traction with elected officials. But the same trench has long been eyed for use as a transit line connecting to Queens and Brooklyn.

The conflict rekindles a long-running debate about what to do with old rail corridors in the densely packed city. A right of way is a nearly invaluable asset, given how much it would cost in dollars and political capital to create a new one. On the other hand, communities don't want to be stuck with a strip of vacant land for decades while transit wonks and urban planners fantasize about a long-shot rail project.

The South Bronx track has been especially problematic. It runs from East 163rd Street and Melrose Avenue southeast to the waterfront near East 141st Street, alternating as a tunnel and a concrete canyon that has been used as a trash dump and homeless encampment for years. After the homeless were moved out in September, Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. told Mayor Bill de Blasio that he wants the tracks made into a greenway as part of a larger redevelopment push.

"The best way forward is not a temporary cleanup, but the development of a permanent use," Diaz told the mayor.

But that would kill the Regional Plan Association's goal of reactivating the former freight line to move people. The nonprofit, which offers housing and transportation ideas, eyes the corridor as part of a spur to a proposed Triboro line, running from Co-op City in the Bronx to Queens and Brooklyn. The project hinges on the use of existing rail corridors—a strategy used by cities such as London to build light rail.

"If they were to turn this into a park, it would preclude a western extension of the Triboro [line] to Yankee Stadium," said Richard Barone, director of RPA's transportation programs.

The spur would link the Triboro line to the B, D and 4 subway lines at the stadium, as well as Metro-North's Hudson Line, opening a plethora of new travel options. And though the branch was omitted from the organization's most recent iteration of the Triboro plan because of its complexity and cost, Barone said it should nevertheless be part of a study to determine the best use of the abandoned line. Once a park or any other project is built, it would be nearly impossible to change.

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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ronx-rail-line

Because of its' trenched and half tunneled nature, I feel to see how the Mott Haven line would be useful as a linear park. Better to keep it reserved for transit uses.

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