Thanks for the correction Lorendoc.

Earlier today I dug up some old maps of the area. Much to my surprise they show an old reservoir directly above the Bohemian Grove location.

You can see the reservoir in the upper right hand corner of this [c.1884] map.
There are two separate streams that run through, what would become....the Bohemian Gardens property.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/szuhAY.jpg
LAPL

Note the streams continue south through the park land (Eastside/Lincoln Park) and onward to the Los Angeles River.
(what tha? I just noticed that other reservoir :previous:)







I circled the approximate location of the Bohemian Gardens on this c.1897 map.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/zM4UbP.jpg
UCLA

Unless I'm mistaken, the main stream (directly above Brooklyn Heights) is 'Arroyo de las Pasas'.
Note that it connects to the stream coming from the old reservoir/Bohemian Gardens location.
Is this northern fork also 'Arroyo de las Pasas'?






Would one more map be over-kill? No. OK, here it is.

1894
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QJ0zLt.jpg
pdf[NEED TO FIND THE LINK AGAIN]

You might say.."but the reservoir was long gone before the 1934 flood."

au ontraire...I located two more photograph of the destruction at Bohemian Gardens and one of the descriptions mentions the reservoir.
And if I'm not mistaken, it shows the ruptured south wall of the reservoir!!


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/7g4kQB.jpg
UCLA

"View of automobiles toppled by flood outside of the Bohemian Gardens nightclub on North Mission Road.
A woman is crouched over looking at one of the cars on the right. A high earth embankment with a ruined wooden fence
at the top is in the background. This local flooding was caused by the failure of an old reservoir above Bohemian Gardens,
which released a great body of water into the parking lot." UCLA





#2
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/kuZrp3.jpg
UCLA

"View of a man and a young boy standing among automobiles half-submerged in flood debris
outside of the Bohemian Gardens nightclub. Two cars are trapped in stone-encrusted mud
and another car was rolled over; lumber is in the foreground and a high wall is in the background.
This flooding was caused by the failure of an old reservoir above Bohemian Gardens." [SIZE="1"]UCLA[/SIZE


QUESTIONS:
Did this reservior that caused so much destruction have a name?

And what about that other reservoir in map #1.
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Amen, Martin. Beautifully stated.

:haha::haha::haha:

My son got a job with the City of L.A. last year and had a friend take a B/W picture of him in his dad's trench coat on one of rare rainy days this year, with City Hall in the background. When he posted it on Facebook, the universal opinion was very noir.

Same here--an OC native. Oddly enough, when we moved into our current house in 1993, there were still orange groves up the street. I still remember the scent when they bloomed coming through our windows at night.

When I was kid growing up in the 60's, we lived in Anaheim. There was an old untended orange grove at the corner of our street with a creepy (to me) old plantation-style mansion. About every other block on our street there was an old Craftsman-style house left over from the farm days. All gone now.

I feel the same. I've visited family in the South and Midwest and can't wait to get back to So Cal!

I haven't found any aerials showing the flood, but here are two from a few years either side.

August 2, 1927

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...anGardens1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

January 2, 1938

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...anGardens2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Looking further away, the only reservoir I could see is in the top-right of the view below (1927 image above).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...anGardens3.jpg

In the 1938 shot, the reservoir is covered and it's possible to read "Ascot Reservoir" on the top.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...anGardens4.jpg

Today it's covered in greenery and only a circular cover can be seen from above.

For anyone (like me) who's forgotten what used to be directly north of Lincoln Park, it was Selig/Luna Park Zoo. Here are a couple of previously seen aerials, although I don't know if Bohemian Gardens is visible.

I agree. One of the worst things about the world today is that everybody is constantly offended... or more often, pretending to be offended. Everywhere you look, someone is parading their victim complex as though it were a badge of honor.

Don't take me wrong - obviously, there definitely were things to be offended about in regards to being sent to a prison camp without having been convicted of any crime - I know that all of you are smart enough that I don't have to spell them out - but my family looked at it as something that had happened, was in the past, and they sure as hell weren't going to allow it to define the rest of their lives. The way they saw it, Manzanar didn't have anything to do with their future.

My family felt that obsessing over Manzanar would only hold them back, so they let it go. They simply moved on. They certainly weren't going to dwell on the past, or allow it to dictate any aspect of their present or future.

There is a Buddhist kōan that might apply here:

Two Buddhist monks were walking along when they found their path blocked by a small river. Usually, this river was mostly just a dry bed, but recent rains had swelled it into something much more treacherous. Here they found a young girl weeping, as she was too small to cross the river on her own.

Without saying a word, the first monk picked up the girl, put her on his shoulders, and carried her across the river. There he put her down, the young girl thanked him, and the two monks continued on their way.

The second monk was stunned, because the first monk had broken his sacred vow to not touch any female. But the second monk said nothing.

Some time later, the second monk couldn't stand it any longer. He asked the first monk why he had picked up the girl.

The first monk said “Ah, but you see - I left the girl at the river's edge, but you are still carrying her!”

Or, in the somewhat brusque parlance of our times: get over it. My family decided to let it go, and left Manzanar at Manzanar.

re: 1934 Flood
 

Thanks for the aerials HossC.

If you look closely, you can see the earthen 'wall' that was visible in the ucla photo. (shown at the bottom of the post)

Pre-flood (1927)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/TNQ7cJ.jpg

If that is the wall, the building just below it is probably the old Bohemian Grove.



And in the post-flood aerial from 1938, I'm pretty sure you can see the breach where the flood waters came rushing through.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/LvvvVZ.jpg


here's the pic as promised.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/1EDkAl.jpg

What do you all think?



Thanks again for the aerials! :)

1953 slides
 

The following 7 slides are of the same subject (a church), but what's really interesting are the cars and people...and a few glimpses down the block.
There's even a policeman directing traffic.

"1953 3D Stereo Slide LOS ANGELES Street Scene Carlos Gower Hollywood Blvd"
#1
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EBAY





#2
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/Tsyane.jpg
EBAY






#3
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EBAY







#4
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EBAY






#5
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/AllB69.jpg
EBAY






#6
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/O9CoDv.jpg
EBAY






#7
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/ff0tmO.jpg
EBAY

KTTV trucks!

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Among the cars is a rare Frazer 4-door convertible...unless this is the hartop version...


https://s15.postimg.cc/4b10tbviz/49kconvfolder.jpg
youtube

NEAT! :tup: KTTV was part of the DuMont network in 1953, and had been on the air for just four years. The banner across the truck on the left is promoting the Hopalong Cassidy show.

I'm oddly nostalgic for the days when Los Angeles television stations routinely identified themselves by call letters. KTLA and KCET may be the only ones that still do so.

Although not an OC native, my mom lived on a oil lease in Brea when my grandfather was working as a driller for Union Oil. This was around 1920 or so. They had a white cat named Lilly who would wander through the orange groves and get the dirty oily stuff from the smudge pots all over her. She was a long haired cat and when she came back to the house, she would try to wash the oily stuff off only to get too tired of doing it and ending up with clean patches amid the dirty ones.

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USCDL


Came across this house identified by the USCDL as being at 4555 "Lindley Avenue." Found it--or rather its site--at 4555 Finley Avenue....


I wasn't familiar with the actor associated with the house, but turns out he was in Grapes of Wrath, Mutiny on the Bounty, and Young Mr. Lincoln, among others.


https://s22.postimg.cc/glkpmr1y9/4555wedding.bmp.jpghttps://s22.postimg.cc/u2ho5pzg1/4555obit.bmp.jpg
LAT Oct 9, 1935/Nov 18, 1952



The house was apparently built by Theodore Widney Brotherton, the first prexy of Citizens Bank who developed his 20-acre ranch into the Brotherton Place Tract, taking the largest lot for himself. He had been a big proponent of extending routes west from downtown. He died in the house on Dec 6, 1915, "of heart failure in the midst of a hearty laugh." It was demolished in 1955 and replaced with the apartment building seen below. I sort of like the new building--at least the old wall was saved...and it looks like the palms too....


https://s22.postimg.cc/sr9wwzw1t/finleytoday.bmp.jpg
GSV

THE SPANISH BEAUTY
The woman known as the Spanish Beauty, Lena (also found as Erolina) Junge was born in December of 1868 in Los Angeles, the daughter of Adolph Junge and his wife Tomasa Boscio (or Coscio). Tomasa was born in California in about 1830. Adolph was born in Germany in about 1829. Adolph was a druggist in Los Angeles when the children were being born and one of his sons Ramon (called Ray in the article regarding Adolph, Jr) was later a druggist.
According to Harris Newmark’s book “Sixty Years in Southern California”, Adolf (also spelled Adolph) is mentioned: “In 1861, Adolph Junge arrived and established a drug-store in the Temple Block, his only competitor being Theodore Wollweber; and there he continued for nearly twenty years, one of his prescription books, now in the County Museum, evidencing his activity. For a while, F. J. Gieze, the well-known druggist for so many years on North Main Street, and an arrival of '74, clerked for Junge.”
Adolph appears in the 1870 Census when he is found living in Los Angeles and working as a druggist. The address listed for his drug store was at 99 Main Street. The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, in their exhibit "Becoming Los Angeles" has an original prescription book belonging to Adolph Junge.

Adolph was married to Tomasa around 1866 or so ,and he died in April of 1879. His will was probated on May 5, 1879 and lists sons Adolph and Ramon as well as daughter Erolina. They were the only children listed but Adolph and Tomasa apparently had five children, although some may have been her children from a prior marriage or born to her and someone else after Adolph’s death.

They appear in the 1880 census with Tomasa listed as widowed and children Lena, Ramon (Ray), Charles. Fito and Rosa. Ramon was working as a druggist at that time, having probably taken over his father’s store.
The elder son, Adolf is not listed in that census with the others. He apparently still lived in Los Angeles at the time of his death as he is listed in a death index here in 1933 as Adolf J. Junge.

As for Lena, there are quite a few last names for her that can be found. In addition to her maiden name of Junge, she also went by Goodwin, Warren (apparently the father of Flora Warren) Burke (there is a marriage to Robert Burke in 1899), and also possibly Mendez and Potter. Since her father had apparently been of very good repute in the city, it is possible that her being much-married in the years after his death gave her a bad reputation, or worse than deserved.

Wow !
 

The long wood pedestrian bridge (« This Gun's for Hire ») above the railroad tracks was already there in 1894 !

First Presbyterian Church?
 

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8211379]The following 7 slides are of the same subject (a church), but what's really interesting are the cars and people...and a few glimpses down the block.
There's even a policeman directing traffic.

"1953 3D Stereo Slide LOS ANGELES Street Scene Carlos Gower Hollywood Blvd"


ER,

If I am seeing this correctly as the First Presbyterian Church, this was the church that my maternal grandmother was a member. She took me there occasionally, as a child, and I thought it was the biggest church in the world!

Very many thanks, oldstuff! My mind was fixated on the spelling "Junger" in one of the articles, so I didn't even think of "Junge," which family I had some notes on (your info adds to what I had; and I didn't have any record of Erolina . . . unless . . . see below).

For Tomasa Cosio: My notes have that she married one Antonio Journeaux in 1861; and that, when he abandoned her a few months later, she took up with Adolph Junge. I don't have that they married (maybe because she was still the wife of the absent Journeaux?). This on Journeaux from the interesting book Negotiating Conquest, by Miroslava Chávez-Garcia, 2004.

My notes on the Junge family:

Junge, Adolfo Francisco 1871, born in L.A.

Junge, Adolfo Manuel 1877, born in L.A.

Junge, Adolph or Adolf; alias Young; ca. 1829, born in Germany; November 3, 1860, published (Los Angeles Star): a “qualified druggist” hired by H.R. Myles; 1861, starting a drug store in the New Temple Block, store lasting nearly twenty years; 1861, living with Tomasa Cosio, with whom children until at least 1877; 1870, present in L.A. as a druggist with savings of $3,000; 1872, 99 Main St. and apothecary opposite U.S. Hotel Main St.; see also F.J. Gieze, Joseph Kurtz.

Junge, Carlos Francisco 1869, born in L.A.

Junge, Carlos Francisco 1873, born in L.A.

Junge, Ramon Antonio 1863, born in L.A.

Junge, Ramona E. 1867, born in L.A.

Much of the family info also from Negotiating Conquest. I suspect that Ramona E. above is our Erolina (Lena), and that your data on Erolina (Lena) getting herself born in December 1868 corrects the book's 1867.

As for my "see also" names: Your info already tells what I have on Gieze; but, as to Kurtz:

Kurtz, Joseph (Dr.) ca. 1841, born in Germany; February 3, 1868, arrived in L.A. on the encouragement of Adolf Junge; associated at times with Junge and Rudolphe Eichler in druggery; ca. 1869-1870, hosted at his office preliminary meetings concerning organization of the Los Angeles Turnverein; 1870, present in L.A. as a physician with savings of $500; October 25, 1871, coroner at the inquest concerning the Chinese Massacre; 1872, coroner, 74 Main St., office in the Lanfranco Bldg.; ca. 1877, practicing medicine in L.A. (fetched to attend to the wounded Fonck); June 22, 1924, died.

And I hear demands as to Who was the "wounded Fonck"?. I hear, and obey:

Fonck, John Victor ca. 1827, born in Holland; 1870, present in L.A. as an upholsterer; 1872, 139 Main St; 1870, present in L.A.; “October 10, 1877, Victor Fonck was shot in the leg by C.M. Waller, keeper of the Land Company’s bath-house at Santa Monica. The latter claimed to be acting under instructions from — Parker, agent of the land company. At the time of the shooting, Fonck was erecting a private bath-house on the beach, in defiance of warnings not to. He died two days afterward from the effect of the wound” (Illustrated History of Los Angeles County, p. 252). His wife was Henrietta, born in Germany circa 1834.

So what happened to C.M. Waller?: Waller was found guilty of involuntary homicide, and was sentenced January 25, 1878, to one year in the penitentiary.

Edit add: Tomasa Coscio or Cosio is a problem as being unrecorded as to birth. There was a male Tomas a Cora Cosio, May 18, 1842, baptized at Mission San Gabriel; parents: Jose Maria Cosio and Magdalena Calderona. Jose Maria Cosio was one of the Hijar-Padres colonists arriving in California in 1834 on the Morelos; it wouldn't be surprising if a family with a child Tomas also had a child Tomasa. Still, if Tomasa was born in California about 1830, that wouldn't quite fit this family . . . unless it was Baja California she was born in. Hmmm. :???:

Magdalena Calderona is likely Magdalena Candelaria Calderon, another Hijar-Padres colonist, and wife, in 1834, of Victoriano Vega . . . the latter known to me as being one of the memoirists in a recent book having the unlikely title With My Own Eyes, by one Brent C. Dickerson, whoever that might be. :shrug:

More Bohemian Gardens on North Mission Road
 

Interesting topic, e_r, and a tip of the NLA cap to Lorendoc for finding the location, and to Hoss for his follow-up.

In the first flood photo above, there seems to be a slight gap between the house-like building on the left and the
square or rectangular building on the right, which would match the building you've marked "Bohemian Grove?" in
the second photo above. As you suggest, the second and third photos seem to show where the water flooded out
of the old reservoir. If the first and third photos show some of the same overturned cars, that would clinch the
location, but I can't tell if they're the same cars.


Would more maps help?


Here's the old reservoir looming ominously above the Selig Studio and site of the Bohemian Gardens. That last little bit
of Manitou Avenue was impassable down to Mission Road. North Broadway is unmarked at the top of the map, parallel
to Manitou. (At upper left, have we ever looked at Holgate Square?):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb5eyctqp.jpg

1921 Baist @ USCDL


Manitou hits Mission Road at upper left, and Baldwin does the same at lower left. The blue dot is a pond at the head
of a stream/ditch that drained into the lake at Lincoln Park. You'll see the blue dot (and the orange dots, which mark
buildings) on the next two photos. The 3964 address I've rewritten next to where it appears on the map had, by the
1951 Sanborn, been renumbered 3890 and then 3898:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original

1920 Sanborn @ ProQuest via LAPL


See?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbix2zjay.jpg

1951 Sanborn @ ProQuest via LAPL


Close-up from 1924 aerial; the creek flows down from the blue dot toward the bottom center of the photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

00019664 @ LAPL


Here's more of the August 1927 aerial Hoss posted (I don't think Selig Place had been named in 1927, but that's
where it is now):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original

Flight c-113 frame 357 @ USCB


The pond and creek noted above were originally, I believe, part of the drainage system from the old Reservoir No. 5
down into Lincoln Park Lake. The land for Reservoir No. 5 had been deeded to Los Angeles on December 13, 1877, by
Dr. John S. Griffin. The February 22, 1886, Daily Alta California notes that Reservoir No. 5 was one of the city's two
reservoirs at the time. The city stopped using the reservoir for its deeded purpose in 1904, and Griffin's heir filed suit
to reclaim the property in 1912:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psr7q4awqk.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pszwvcudqp.jpg

February 15, 1912, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC


The case was decided, mostly in the plaintiff's favor, by the California Supreme Court in November 1917.
You can read about it here or here (the articles at the links have the historical info I included above).


Here are two last notes regarding the flood at the Bohemian Gardens:

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January 2, 1934, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


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January 4, 1934, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL

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Here are two last notes regarding the Bohemian Gardens and the 1934 flood:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6w9ebdtv.jpg

January 2, 1934, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...g.jpg~original

January 4, 1934, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL[/QUOTE]

Elwood Plumb's full name was Walter Elwood Plumb. His picture is in family trees on Ancestry.com. He was born in Illinois in June of 1885. He married Bertha Hopkins in 1906 and they had three children. Walter appears in the 1920 Census living with his family in Brookings, South Dakota where he was a farmer.
He is buried in the Angelus Abbey Memorial Park in Compton. Find a Grave indicates that his address at the time of his death was 1497 Henderson Street in Long Beach. That site indicates that he was retired at the time of his death. His widow lived until 1961.

I know this is old news, but I only came across the story below when it appeared as clickbait earlier today. Apparently:

On St. Patrick’s Day, a pub on Detroit’s Michigan Avenue refused to serve anyone Irish or wearing green.

“No Irish Pub” is an installation by Bloomington Hills resident Dan Margulis, who wanted to raise awareness of and generate conversation about how different immigrant communities were and are treated in America.

What a shame it was only temporary. With just a slight tweak to the letter spacing, I think it could be a great place for members of this thread to meet ;).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...NoIrishPub.jpg
vinepair.com