Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6476187)

originally posted by HossC
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/36/8skb.jpg


Cradle Snatchers 1927, seven reels 6,281 feet. (missing reel 4, and part of 3)
Directed by Howard Hawks.

In this instance, I believe the stage players are a bit more interesting than the players in the film (except maybe Franklin Pangborn:))

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_Snatchers

everyone's favorite 'fancy pants' Franklin Pangborn
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icollector.com

Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm (Post 7249098)

(ETA: Added a couple of notations on the included pictures, a new "Now" version of the "Italian Stores" shot, and in the North Spring photo, an inset showing camera position and FOV.)

TL;DR version: I found a photo of the small block bounded by North Spring, New High, and Sunset Boulevard, now a forgotten piece of L.A. history long since obliterated by the giant El Pueblo parking lot at 601 N. Main. Picture is also displayed in an image tag below. You can read my comments on the Flickr page; for full picture credits and a more detailed discussion, read on.




I don't know if this has been answered yet, but a couple of days ago, just by luck, I happened on the answer, plus a view I don't think we've seen here before.

On another message board community, a poster pointed out that the plat maps created and used by assessors often reveal old street alignments, and went so far as to compare it to an X-ray.

He wasn't far wrong, as I found out when I went to the County Assessor's website's property database, and noticed that three oddly shaped parcels still mapped, right in the middle of that giant parking lot. Here, we see only the largest and westernmost of the three highlighted:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5688/...88401a_o_d.png
(From the L.A. County Assessor's website)


No address, and no build dates, of course, but that's to be expected since there are no structures. But there used to be some buildings there, as we'll see.

But wait, there's more.

Switching from the satellite to roadmap view, we begin to understand what happened with Spring, Main, and New High streets. It's mildly astonishing that the database still records the old street alignments that vanished more than half a century ago. Although this appears to be based on Google Maps, Google itself doesn't provide this interest bit of knowledge.

We now see that North Spring used to run east of New High, which it still does, but the modern alignment throws us off because today the nearly obliterated stub end of New High starts below the modern Spring Street alignment. South of Sunset/Chavez, Spring was rerouted about a block west. The original alignment resumes north of there, so that through New Chinatown both New High and Spring resume their old routes. This should surprise nobody, since that neighborhood still boasts a few buildings from the late 19th to early 20th centuries which are still clearly sited on their original streets.

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(From the L.A. County Assessor's website)

Curiously, the plat map, shown in the next picture shows both the new and old alignments of Sunset Boulevard, now duly relabeled in honor of Cesar Chavez.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5728/...0b1b1f_z_d.jpg
(From the L.A. County Assessor's website -- better resolved image available here.)

and again we see that weird triangular area comprising three parcels.

As to the street address of the Sentous Block, the North Spring address is correct, as shown on the Baist map. The confusion with North Main comes from the fact that North Spring, like so many other streets, underwent not only realignment, as noted above, but also a flurry of name changes. In the 19th Century it was Upper Main, and was distinct from North Main, which was where it remains today. IIRC in those days there was a rise in elevation, hence the very confusing name for what we would now call North Spring, if only this block of it still existed.

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(Sanborn Map, access provided by the San Diego PL.)

For a few years early in the last century, it was San Fernando Road, but by the time of the 1921 Baist survey, it had become North Spring. From that map, it does appear that all of these parcels fronted both North Spring and North Main. Did the Sins book give an even numbered address for the Bamba? It's not difficult to imagine that they could have managed valet parking and taxis on the Main side. The situation with the Sentous is similar, though given its build date, it could have been listed, at various times, on "real" Main Street, or Upper Main, or North Spring.

And now let's go back to those parcels in the middle of the parking lot. I found a photo in the LAPL collection taken from the west, dated April 9, 1940 according to the catalog entry.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00104/00104245.jpg
(LAPL photo collection, order number 00104245, q.v. if you don't see the photo immediately above.)

The Italian Stores Company was a small chain of grocery stores that had several locations in the DTLA area. This one appears in the 1934 City Directory, listed at 229 W Sunset, corroborating well with the Baist survey map image in Beaudry's post.
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(Los Angeles City Directory for 1934, classified section, p2534. LAPL Visual Collection)

Later, the grocery store moved out and a restaurant called O Sole Mio moved in. Identifying the type of restaurant is left as an exercise for the reader.

Obviously, this address was on the original alignment, where we see Sunset veering off to the right. The Baist map lists a couple of hotels in this block, but I was unable to find any of those listed in any of the directories. Possibly they were boarding houses run by landladies who only took in boarders with references, and preferred not to announce their presence to all and sundry.

To the left of the Italian market, we look down Bellevue Avenue, somewhat close to the present-day alignment of Sunset/Chavez. The Bamba Club, one door north of the Sentous Block, is partially visible in the distance. ETA: In the far distance, at the very right margin, we can see the Fook Wo Lung building standing on the southeast corner of Los Angeles and Sunset/Marchessault, and dwarfed by the gasometer behind it. This building was home to the Dragon's Den Restaurant.

As we let our gaze continue along Sunset, we see the south end of that narrow block between North Main and North Spring; the building there is the Pacific Hotel at 608 1/2 North Spring. Just north of there was the Hotel Atlantic, with the Sentous building just beyond that. If we could wander on down Sunset and turn left at North Spring, then wander up to the other end of the block, this is what we'd see if we turned around:

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(LAPL Photo Collection, order number 00014327, q.v. if image doesn't appear here. Inset from the 1921 Baist map, showing approximate position and FOV of camera, added by me.)

At once we're struck by the abundance of hotels; nearly every other building seems to house one. The demand for cheap lodgings, given the neighborhood population of the era which skewed heavily transit dependent and working class, was vast and deep. The decade following these images brought about a major change, as a result of which the neighborhood now skewed heavily towards -- nothing. NYC has Tribeca; San Francisco has...well, San Francisco; and Chicago has the Near North Side. Even San Diego has the Gaslamp. But in L.A. we've got a half-dozen parking lots and a few architectural remnants--and, of course, relentlessly regularized boulevards.

If we could keep going down Sunset, we'd cross Main and then the north end of the Plaza, immediately south of the Simpson Building, Olvera Street, and the Methodist Church. There was a time when the Plaza Church, now addressed on the west side of Main, and the Plaza Methodist Church both had Sunset Boulevard addresses, W and E respectively. Going still further we'd pass the last remnant of Old Chinatown on our right, and then straight across Alameda into the main entrance of Union Station.

Having seen all of these images, it is impossible not to feel resentment, nay, a simmering rage, at what has been lost, and for nothing more than a parking lot. Here we see images from a time when this neighborhood possessed a certain vigor and was full of crazy-angled streets and old architecture--a sort of Southern Californian Altstadt. In hindsight, it seems that this neighborhood, in particular, became the poster child of the suburbanist urban renewal ethos of making Downtown America car-friendly and everything-else-unfriendly. Another factor, perhaps, was a priggish urge to rid the neighborhood of "unsightliness", including any evidence of nightlife like the Bamba, and for that matter the working people who lived here along with the cheap hotels and other businesses that catered to them. The neighborhood was going to be cleaned up, and if it meant total destruction, then so be it. We couldn't have busloads of school children coming down here to see Olvera Street and let them see that, could we?

ETA: An approximate "Now" version of the above picture:

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(GSV Screengrab)

Nearly everything in the 1940 picture has been bulldozed, revealing at extreme right the the Plaza Substation, and at left the entire elevation of the Terminal Annex, were before only the top of the tower could be seen.

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7384509)

This Julius Shulman subject certainly isn't new to NLA - it's the Prudential Building on Wilshire Boulevard's Miracle Mile. This is "Job 699: Wurdeman & Becket, Prudential Building (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1950". Several of the pictures also show Orbach's.

Some of the other tenants include Security First National Bank, Kaufman Furs, New York Hat Stores and Innes Shoes.

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7384745)

Easter greetings, NLA!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...easterbowl.jpg postcard view, files

If it was Easter 1949: why attend the Hollywood Bowl Sunrise Service in person (think of all that traffic...) when you could watch it on television via KTLA. Don't have a set? Your local branch of Pierce Brothers has got it covered.

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7368272)

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:previous: What's the lone house atop the hill at upper left?

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7368331)

That is, believe it or not, the old Auto Club Building which was situated on Hill Street, right where it makes the turn to run down to Sunset Boulevard north of the high school. It shows pretty clearly on the 1921 Baist, sheet 3, upper right hand corner. It also shows in this Shulman pic originally posted by HossC...(it's immediately to the left of the white apartment building at 560 N. Hill Street)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/574/2...96076b76_o.jpgLooking south on Castelar, Julius Shulman, 1949

Beautiful Shulman image looking south on Castelar from about Bernardo Street in 1949. The houses on Fort Moore Hill are gone having been razed in '47. Although, surprisingly, the old Auto Club building and the apartment building at 560 N. Hill Street are still hugging the north slope.

via NLA HossC

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7384101)

The N. Hill Street Auto Club building was a much more modest structure albeit also camera-shy. Here's a shot of it looking up, at Fort Moore Hill, from Sunset Boulevard and N. Hill Street (north of Sunset)...

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8174/...19774b07_b.jpgSunset Boulevard at Hill Street, 1925

In the archive as 'Sunset Boulevard looking south at Hill Place and Fort Moore Hill.' Strictly speaking, there was no 'Hill Place' in 1925. This would pre-date Hill Street moving over and assuming the roadbed of Castelar north of Sunset and what had been Hill Street where it angled down off of Fort Moore Hill crossed Sunset and continued to a terminus at Alpine Street. This section of Hill Street ultimately became Hill Place but not before Castelar had been renamed Hill Street. Certainly not in 1925. Immediately on the right we have is the apartment building at 560 N. Hill Street backing to Sunset Boulevard. Up there on Hill Street where it makes it's turn to run parallel to Sunset, sporting the Coca Cola adverts, is the old Auto Club Building at 546 N Hill Street (and just beyond it, to the right, is the back of Mary Hollister Banning's carriage house). The Auto Club occupied this building briefly starting in about 1918-19 and moving into their big headquarters building on S Figueroa by 1923.

LAPL

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6546631)

Easter Sunrise Service at the Hollywood Bowl (1944)

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HBL-179.jpgHollywood Photographs

Ever since I first saw this photo years ago I’ve always found it very haunting. I wondered what the sailors and others were thinking about and what they might have been through and even where they were from. The end of the war was over a year off, but at this time no one knew that. They only knew it had been going on for nearly three years at that point. An event like this Sunrise Easter Service may have been more poignant and emotional than usual. This photograph actually inspired me to attend one of these Easter Sunrise Services about a dozen years ago and it was quite memorable. It’s a tradition that’s been under siege recently because of several factors. One was extensive remodeling and the facility wasn’t available a couple times. Another was theft of properties used in the event. The more serious factors, though, are the expense to put it on (it is free) and the unfortunate dwindling of attendance. If it does not continue it’s a real shame because it’s a unique and beautiful experience, even if one is not religiously or spiritually inclined.

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7384717)

Beautiful.
I was especially happy to see Innes Shoes. The Times, describing the store (designed by architect Burton A. Shutt) said it “brings the California outdoor atmosphere” indoors with full length sliding glass doors on both the Wilshire and parking lot entrances.

Innes Shoes (5771 Wilshire) opened September 8, 1949

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7384801)

MR, I think the following two photos also show that same old Auto Club building.

Looking north from near Broadway over 101 Freeway construction, May 6, 1950:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...7.jpg~original
Mildred Harris photo - 00109965 @ LAPL

Looking northwest from City Hall, December 6, 1950, with the old Auto Club building on the corner of the hill;
that's North Hill Street angling toward the upper right corner:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...g.jpg~original
Mildred Harris photo - 00109974 @ LAPL

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7381466)

Julius Shulman's "Job 2248: Palmer and Krisel, Sunset Tower, cabanas and pool (Los Angeles, Calif.),1956".

Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm (Post 7384568)

I may not be quick, but at least I can say I don't act rashly.

My blog post concerning this area has finally been published, or at least the first part of it which only covers the 19th century.

Block 50, Part I