Yes, I think now it says "Ave." and I thought it was a number.

I'm glad I made the post, in any event, because now we know about your books!

Thanks!

Neato! Now I know what I'm gonna put on my Christmas wish list!

Yes, if you have a card at a participating public library. I have a card with the Los Angeles Public Library and that allows me to watch up to nine titles from Kanopy every month, free of charge, on my Roku device. I think the number of titles allotted per month varies from library to library.

What--you mean this joint?

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Photo possibly by George P. Thresher, ca. 1909; in A Backward Glance at Los Angeles 1901-1915, by Robert G. Cowan, 1969; book in Odinthor Collection.

Has this image been seen before? NW corner of Flower and W. Adams:

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Photo possibly by George P. Thresher, ca. 1909; in A Backward Glance at Los Angeles 1901-1915, by Robert G. Cowan, 1969; book in Odinthor Collection.

Very Interesting. Not long ago I watched an episode of Highway Patrol and afterwards went to IMDb to see about locations. I was very surprised to see that it was shot in Hawthorne around Hawthorne Bl. & Prairie Ave. I was very surprised as I was assuming the location somehow had to be more rural.
I also have something for my Christmas list now.

Good Morning, NLA!

Here's a beautiful restaurant that I would've loved to grab a bite or a cocktail at:
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Note the Opposite Ambassador Hotel

Sadly, I don't think the building is there anymore.

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HARRINGTON MOTEL - 5224 Sunset Boulevard - Hollywood 27, California - Telephone NOrmandy 6173

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We've only seen the motel once back in 2012. Courtesy of Godzilla

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Does anyone know the story behind this photograph?

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Recently seen on eBay.

Would you all agree that the golfers are on City Hall during its construction. . .or is this some sort of 'mock-up' image? :shrug:

P.S. For noirish newcomers: The castle-like building on the right is the old Los Angeles Times Building that was destroyed by a bomb on Oct. 1, 1910.


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That smiling green dude is a mistake. I don't know how to get rid of him.




An air show at the Shrine Auditorium?

USAF Northrop Snark SM-62 Missile Shrine Auditorium Los Angeles 1958 35mm Slide


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Take a look at this.

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I would have loved this model as a kid. (or even now :)..........................................................................................................................psst. .Christmas is coming up.




Additional information.

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Bonus:... A video!

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Spooky stuff

. . .except for the "Snark infested waters".


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I'm a Broadrick Crawford fan. Apparently, in real life he was difficult to work with and a miserable if not dangerous person. But, I think his brutishness, alcoholism and acting style made him an perfect noir actor for movies like "Human Desire", "All the King's Men", "New York Confidential", The Mob and many others. I don't think he carried off "good guy" roles as well as those of a mobster, convict or egotistical politician. If Noirishers think that Crawford's life in Hollywood has NOT been posted in NLA and would like me to post more about him, I will work on posting more about him. Ten-four?

How can this old Los Angeles Times Building that was destroyed by a bomb on Oct. 1, 1910 appear in a photo of the construction of City Hall in 1927?

Here is the golfer without his caddy.
 

One word: Time Travel.

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Or more likely a composite photo produced in a studio. I doubt a model or actor would dangle 150 feet in the air on a skinny steel beam (excepting Harold Lloyd perhaps).

If it is a real photo, perhaps the golfer and kid are on a beam of the (old) Hall of Records (not City Hall), constructed before the destruction of the old Times building around 1910, so they could exist in the same shot. Just a guess. The old Times Building would have been visible from the location of the Hall of Records, the turroted building at the old street angle that most of us old timers miss almost as much as Richfield. It was torn down in the early 1970s.

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https://jhgraham.com/2015/08/13/the-...imes-building/

Post-bombing LA Times Bldg.:

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From https://www.latimes.com/projects/latimes-building/

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(Edit add): I was curious about what happened to the post-explosion Times Bldg., or rather why after the LA Times moved across the street it didn't find some other use. It turns out that it was in the way of the widening of 1st St., and so, even though only a couple of decades old, was condemned, and demolished in 1938. See pix etc. at this link:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ldings-in-1934

Speaking of Franklin and Bronson Avenues, here's a photo of that intersection taken 100 years ago. P.E. car is traveling east.

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Calisphere

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Intersection Franklin and Bronson Avenues.

"A Pacific Electric streetcar travels east down Franklin Avenue. A drugstore is seen on the northwest corner of the intersection."

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I don't see a streetlamp anywhere in the photograph. Is that the reason for the tiny lightbulb on the utility pole?


Does anyone know the name of the drug store -

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oops. :duh:

But I did mention there was a possibility the photograph might be a "mock up".


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Aleck's Firefly Lounge was a restaurant and bar at 44715 Sierra Highway in Lancaster. Owner Aleck Bethanis died under mysterious circumstances ("found lying beside his burning auto...homicide investigators once explored the possibility that Bethanis had been attacked, robbed, and his car burned") in 1963 and the place disappears from aerial photos shortly after that. Bethanis probably also operated Aleck's Valley Club, also in Lancaster and Aleck's Desert Resort in Ridgecrest. The Firefly Lounge site is now an auto body shop.
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Broderick Crawford
 

I've always been a big fan of Crawford and would welcome any additional information about him you care to post. Thanks!

PS - Truly gifted artists are often "difficult to work with."

Odinthor gives a good explantion
 

Ethereal_reality, It may have been bombed in 1910 but as odinthor points out in the above article, the building was not demolished until 1938. So I believe the city hall photo is real, not a mock up, and that is the Times building in the background, although its days were numbered. (but not for another 10 years, it seems.)
btw, I've been absent from this forum for way too long. Just jumped on to see what's new. Sure learned a LOT 10 years ago when I joined and from reading from page one to 2000 as I gained greater appreciation for the history of LA and its architecture.

A video that's noirish in its creepy voyeuristic way...


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https://youtu.be/flstyd5QB9s


(Found online here)

Has 37 Westmoreland Place been seen on NLA?

https://i.postimg.cc/htZYQSmJ/westmoreland37001.jpg
Photo by the home's owner, George P. Thresher, ca. 1909; in A Backward Glance at Los Angeles 1901-1915, by Robert G. Cowan, 1969.

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We've seen Westmoreland Place here before but not sure about Thresher's house itself. Here's its full story:
https://westmorelandplacelosangeles....e-see-our.html


A history of Westmoreland Place and an inventory of its houses is here:
https://westmorelandplacelosangeles.blogspot.com/

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This rare albumen is especially interesting because it shows residences on Orange Street which eventually became Wilshire Boulevard.


"1898 Albumen Children Victorian Homes Orange St Los Angeles California historic"


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1641 Orange St., ..Los Angeles, Calif.





Here's a closer (but blurry) look at the kids.

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All of the boys appear to wearing hats....One is wearing a straw boater. . . and the boy on the end (far right) looks like he's wearing a crepe party hat. Perhaps this is a birthday party (?)


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1898 CD

The paper got the name wrong in this item:

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LA Times, 9/1/1897

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While I liked Crawford's role in Highway Patrol, I didn't care for Crawford's version of Huey Long in "All The King's Men". Long was different in many ways from the gruff and brutish character Crawford portrayed (" Willie Stark" from the R. Penn Warren book). Long was full of humor, and witty in his way of speaking. Although he was corrupt sometimes, and later used borderline dictatorial in his last years means in response to his powerful enemies, including Standard Oil, he truly cared for the poor and downtrodden (including poor blacks), and greatly helped them in the Depression with schools, free textbooks, hospitals, work projects including roads and bridges, etc. Long almost never used the race baiting techniques of other white southern populists. His target was always the very rich, and big corporations, especially oil companies, that avoided paying taxes, and ran the state before Long. He fought hard against these special interests, and in response Standard Oil and its supporters almost impeached him as governor in 1929. After that, Long fought even harder.

Long correctly wanted FDR to be even bolder with his New Deal initiatives, and in response FDR moved to the left and launched the famous "Second New Deal" in 1935 that vastly expanded federal programs, including Social Security, worker rights to strike and unionize, the WPA, TVA, etc.

Long was personally a very smart and funny man, and a very brilliant lawyer who taught himself and passed the bar exam. Supreme Court Chief Justice Howard Taft (a Republican and former President) said Long was "the most brilliant man to argue a case before the Supreme Court". In the film based on the book by Robert Penn Warren, Crawford portrays the character Willie Stark based on Long as a brutish and humorless fellow, nothing like Long. Long remained popular with the poor in LA long after his murder. His brother Earl was elected governor (good movie about Earl Long with Paul Newman, titled "Blaze"). Huey Long's son was elected U.S. Senator in the 1950s, and served until the 1970s.

Huey Long was far from perfect, but in my opinion his main aim was not to enrich himself, but to raise the living standards of the poor and ordinary people suffering in the depression.

Long's famous " Share the Wealth" speech (the date shown on the vid is incorrect; it was delivered in late 1934 or early 1935 before his death):
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Hardly Broderick Crawford.

Randy Newman's tribute to Huey Long, "The Kingfish":
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Could this picture be fifteen plus years later than the 1898 the ebay seller labels it? :shrug:

From 1913 for about eight years, 1641 Orange Street was home to the Kensington School.


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cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald,11 May 1914



Here's the building on a 1930 aerial - it was demolished as 1641 Wilshire Blvd. in 1935.


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Lindy's restaurant was located at 3656 Wilshire Blvd. at Hobart, They expanded with a cocktail lounge and outdoor dining in 1937. Permits (and magazine articles) credit the design to architect Harbin F. Hunter, but there are drawings of Lindy's by R.M. Schindler and the restaurant was owned by David Covey, who also owned Sardi's, a well-known Schindler creation. Were there two Lindy's? Did Schindler and Harbin collaborate? Any Lindy's experts out there?
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I believe there was also a Lindy's in New York. Maybe this is a branch of the NY place? The design of the L.A. restaurant is very modern, at least 15 years ahead of its time. What is the source of the "Lindy" name...in honor of the aviator Lindbergh? There was also a "Lindy Hop" dance in the late 1920s-early 1930s. Not sure if it was named to honor Lindbergh's 1927 flight.

Also, did fighter Jack Dempsey have an L.A. branch of his famous NYC bar/restaurant? I believe he did.

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Thanks for the additional information on 1641 Orange St., odinthor and Noir Noir.

It's certainly tempting to connect the "1898" 1641 orange St. photograph to the Kensington School since there's a mess of kids out front.



I just noticed the same seller has posted a 2nd photograph on eBay

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This one is dated 1900.






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But this appears to be an entirely different street. If you look closely there's one of those Zanja thingys. :)


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As I recall, Dempsey owned the Hotel Barbara/Barbizon on W 6th St in Westlake and had a restaurant in it. I'm pretty sure we've seen it on NLA before.




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We're veering off topic from L.A. to La., but as an aside to you CaliNative I'm not so sure Huey was all that great for my native La. other than his road building. The buffonery and inevitable corruption was the countervailing downside. I did enjoy seeing the bullet-gouges in the capitol's marble hallway when we were taken there on a school field trip...they're still there. His brother Earl just made the image of a backward state appear even more backward, though there is no more enjoyable book than the brilliant A. J. Liebling's The Earl of Louisiana--a must read. Senator Russell Long was a decent fellow without the idiocy of his father and uncle.

e_r, just a stray footnote: The abandonment of the zanja system was being pursued heatedly (particularly by Mulholland!) in 1903, and as we see below by November 1904 it was a thing of the past.

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LA Times, November 20, 1904.

I'm not sure how long the physical remains of the zanjas were present after the system had been abandoned. I've always understood that the last zanjas were along Figueroa, but I'm not certain of this.

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Here's a post of mine from "a few" years ago:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...postcount=1843


A GSV from Sept 2022 from more or less the same spot on Fig:

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The hotel Jack Dempsey owned is still standing in Westlake. The Barbara AKA Barbizon Hotel at 1927 W. 6th Street.
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There are some great images in 2014 NLA priors of the Barbara/Barbizon and Dempsey (and elsewhere we've seen quite a bit on his various residences--on Western Avenunue and in Los Feliz IIRC):


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Thanks for the info on Dempsey's hotel & restaurant Gaylord Wilshire, and to BDiH for the info on Lindy's restaurant
and the "Lindy Hop" dance. I recall a scene in "The Godfather" where they drive past Dempsey's restaurant in the NY Broadway district. My dad knew Jack Dempsey.

Apparently Jack was an affable host and greeter, nothing like the relentless and ruthless fighter he was in the ring. So relentless he was reluctant and slow to go to his corner after knocking Tunney to the mat in the famous "long count" fight, and Tunney "the Fighting Marine" had time to recover and get off the mat and later win. That was the second fight, that Tunney almost lost but for the "long count". In the first fight, Tunney beat Dempsey handily and became champion. Some say that Dempsey hadn't trained enough for he first fight, expecting an easy victory. He was at top form in the rematch, and almost beat Tunney.

"Gentleman Gene the Fighting Marine" Tunney was very different than Dempsey, cultivating an image as a polished and refined intellectual outside the ring, unlike nearly all fighters. His son served several terms in the Congress, a Democrat representing Riverside CA in the House, and later a Senator, and a friend of the Kennedys.
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Last words on Huey Long, and then back on topic. Basically the people either loved him (the poor), or hated him (the rich and corporations, especially Standard Oil). Yes, he sometimes posed as a buffoon, and may have imbibed too much in later years, but he was very brilliant, almost self taught as a lawyer, and argued a case before the Supreme Court. Chief Justice Taft, a Republican and former President, did say he was "the most brilliant man to argue a case before the court" he had seen. Long as governor did many things to help the poor. Built roads, hospitals, schools, free textbooks, provided jobs etc. In that era corruption existed in politics on all sides. In my opinion, Long was a "ends justify the means" guy, but so were his powerful enemies. I stand in the middle. I do not endorse all of Long's strongman methods, yet his primary aim to help the poor was real. At some point, probably after his enemies led by Standard Oil attempted to impeach him in 1929 as governor, Long probably concluded that he had to use the tough methods of his enemies to get anything done for the poor.

Let me recommend a balanced biography of Long, the good and bad, that many cite as the best written: "Huey Long" by T. Harry Williams. Still available from Amazon, even though written in the 1980s. The balanced and sympathetic two hour film biography on Long by Ken Burns is also excellent, and may be available on youtube or in the PBS archives. If you are able to find it, let me know.

Now, back to noirish L.A. topics.

I used to eat at Lindy's Deli in Culver City.
Great fries.
Probably unrelated....

I had to look up Vi Bradley because I'm fascinated by pre-1950s American entertainers who never made it past the outer fringes of the business. Vi somehow recorded six songs between 1935 and 1941.


I Take to You at Internet Archive. (Her vocal stylings are pretty much as I expected.)

I take to you
Like eggs take to bacon
Like cocktails take to shakin'
I take to you!

The L.A. Conservancy should see to it that this important relic of a very important feature of Los Angeles's past is protected and preserved!

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The lights have been abandoned for as long as I can remember--I first noticed them in the early 1960s when traveling to Disneyland. The protruding wires seen in the photo are the remnants of a means to hold the globes in place.

We do see the street lights with their original globes in the 1957 film "No Down Payment" during the opening credits. As a bonus, the soon to be unhappy couple played by Jeffrey Hunter and Patricia Owens also take the Marianna Avenue onramp to the Southbound Santa Ana Freeway. That ramp used to deposit drivers into the left lane. It was abandoned for many years and finally demolished. Some of the ghost remains.

My attempts to post photos always end in disaster, so if a fellow noirisher can find the clip from "No Down Payment" and post a screen grab, that would be awesome.

Is this the shot you were referring to from "No Down Payment"? I love the Anaheim housing tract billboards a few seconds later.
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Yep--that's the one. The pylon we see on the left is still there.

"No Down Payment" Jerry Wald Productions (for) 20th Century-Fox. Released by 20th Century-Fox.

Thanks!

Found this on eBay today.

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Listing says: "Unmounted Photograph of Los Angeles Wharf Bait Shop, Restaurant, & Wharf Office >> Interesting b/w unmounted photograph of a few businesses on a Los Angeles wharf. Looks to be 1930-40s. One the far right is the Wharf Lunch Room. They offer red hot clam chowder for 10 cents. The chef stands in front with a large chef’s knife. Next door is a bait shop. Numerous very large fishing poles stand in front of the shop. One pretty large fish hanging there as well. One the left is the Los Angeles & Redondo Railway Company Wharf Office. Three men stand in front here too. 4 ½” x 8” and unmounted. No photographer noted. Clean."
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Interesting photo Snix. From the clothing, etc., general look, my guess would be around 1910 or 1915 give or take 5 years. Pre-1920s. Those 3 fellows on the left look like they stepped out of the old west. I wonder if the photo was taken in the San Pedro area, or could it be one of the beach towns on the westside? Maybe Redondo Beach since Los Angeles & Redondo railway is mentioned. Redondo has long had fishing activity. As a kid I used to go out on the fishing barge a few miles off the coast. Caught scads of rock fish and once hooked an 8 foot thresher shark, fought it for a few hours. When it surfaced, my line broke. Thresher shark is very tasty, and even back then (around 1970) an 8 footer could be sold to a fish market for over $100. My tackle just couldn't handle it. I was just fishing for rockfish and sablefish, not sharks. I still hope that shark survived our unintended encounter. The deep Redondo Submarine Canyon off the shore was a very productive fishery, although I later learned some of the fish in this area may be contaminated by DDT residue. A large DDT plant used to exist in the Torrance area. Thanks Snix for the interesting photo.

odinthor's recent posting of some images from Robert G. Cowan's quaint 1969 book of reminscence and random images, A Backward Glance: Los Angeles: 1901-1915, prompted me to go looking for my own copy. Here are two more images from it that depict houses. I'm wondering about the caption of the first view--I can't reconcile it with 1910 or later Baist maps of the intersection indicated and am curious about that big Colonial house closest--anyone have any ideas about it?


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Below is a pic is a side view of Elden P. Bryan's wild house at 41 Westmoreland Place--we've seen it before on NLA but perhaps not a closeup of its south side. More pics of the house are in my history of it here. Bryan was one of the developers of gated Westmoreland Place, which was a big flop--9 houses built on 64 lots. A history of the tract is here.

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The title page has this notation: "Issued to commemorate the 200th anniversary of the founding of California for the Historical Society of Southern California."

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Hmmmm. GW, for what it's worth, here's the stretch of Westlake Avenue from 7th (lower left) north to . . . ummmmm . . . I think it's W. Maryland St. (upper right), the crossings between being Orange (Wilshire), and 6th.

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1909 birdseye map

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