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Zerton Sep 19, 2016 9:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 401PAS (Post 7567103)
I am not understanding the black ramps and flat areas at the top. Are these going to be accessible to the public as well?

Also wonder about the fact that the elevator which would be the only way that a disabled or someone who couldn't climb 15 flights of stairs could get to the top can get around other than the landing plateau. Just doesn't seem very accessible to anyone who is not able to make the entire flight of stairs. Unless someone can explain this form of access better.

The "black ramps" are actually another set of stairs the connect each concentric ring of bronze-clad stairs.

There will be an elevator that runs up a track on the interior that will take people up who are unable/unwilling to take the stairs.

C. Sep 19, 2016 9:27 PM

Will there be any benches or will there be enough space on the steps for a couple to sit down and enjoy the view?

Very excited about this project!

JSsocal Sep 19, 2016 9:51 PM

Very cool, just wish the top was resolved a little differently. The bottom is quite an appropriate entrance while the top feels seemingly cut off

NYguy Sep 20, 2016 1:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 401PAS (Post 7567103)
I am not understanding the black ramps and flat areas at the top. Are these going to be accessible to the public as well?


They will be for Extreme Skateboarding..;)


Everyone will be happy on the Vessel. There's only the one woman (on the left) who clearly has received some disturbing news on her phone. Not the place to be when you get bad news.


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James Bond Agent 007 Sep 21, 2016 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 7561756)
Also, what's the point for climbing to the top?

Just to be able to say you did it.

chris08876 Sep 21, 2016 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by James Bond Agent 007 (Post 7568988)
Just to be able to say you did it.

If the guy who wanted to speak to Trump by scaling Trump Tower would of thought things out, he could of:

1) Scaled 432 Park (using those suction cups from hell)

And then

2) Paraglide to Trump tower.

Kill two birds with one stone. You get to the top of 432 Park, and then Trump tower! ;)

o... where talking about the vessel. I see. NV then...

NYguy Sep 21, 2016 2:37 AM

Besides viewing the surrounding landscape from the top of this thing (and the various levels getting there), I would like to see this view...


http://images.adsttc.com/media/image...jpg?1473881944

mrnyc Sep 21, 2016 4:08 PM

the big question here though...is...will the wessel be nuclear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSJFrhb-HM

chris08876 Oct 2, 2016 4:08 PM

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NYguy Nov 1, 2016 10:49 PM

http://thevictoriashtainerteam.com/blog/


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NYguy Nov 28, 2016 7:37 PM

About 18 minutes in, Ross gets into it...


Video Link

NYguy Dec 1, 2016 4:16 AM

joevare

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artspook Dec 1, 2016 1:20 PM

never met an architectural model I didn't love . .
even the Ingles models of 2 WTC look great . . but only as models . .
so too does the model of "the Vessel" pictured above . .
it's fascinating as a small sculpture . .
and it probably would be exciting full scale, in most other locations . .
but I'm not sure that's the case here . .

Hudson Yards is already getting to be an alienating neighborhood . .
. . with all that biggness everywhere . . all covered in silver glass . .
Will this spiral vessel . . in proximity to "the Spiral" Ingles' building . .
send HY spiraling into the twilight zone . .

The other day after touring HY construction . .
I found myself walking down an avenue canyon in the west 30s . . B'way, I think . .
in the monotonous Garment District . . a stretch of the city I used to hate . .
It's an ugly endless progression of massive masonry factory buildings . .
it could use a glass building or two there . . to break up the sameness . .

but after the mirrored corridors of Hudson Yards, . .
with silvery-blue 10 HY & 30 HY, reflecting 3 manhattan West . .
with its slick glass reflecting everything else . . more such glass at 5 MW . .
it's disorienting corners . . mirroring into each other ad infinitum . .
then envisioning all the proposals in the HY pipeline . . with lots more sterility
coming very soon into this environment . . OMG . . it was truly a relief
to experience the ugly Garment-District canyon . .
with it's cozy warmth of earthy masonry materials . .

So, in this relentlessly brand-spanking-new neighborhood . .
you'll get these intriguing, but daunting stairs, going every which way, . .
in a harsh, visually confusing, Esher-esque geometry . .
Doesn't this uninviting, uncomfortable human-hamster maze . .
seem sort of "fun-house horror-movie-ish" ? . .
not cozy, not serene, not tranquil, not sublime, . .
Please God, just send us an unpretentious little brick church here . .
or an old tenement building with a decorative cornice and a rusted fire escape . .

So my point about the Vessel is . .
relationships of scale & location make all the difference . .
in its large actual-size scale . . with it's harsh windswept vibe . .
it sort of wont attract the everyday passerby to get in there and party . .
Well, certain people, in a vivacious mood, will surely dig it . .
But overall, for the average bloke shopping or coming from work ? . .
or his grandma, it's not gonna be happenin' . .
but hey, it's better than the Eiffel Tower . .

mrnyc Dec 3, 2016 3:44 PM

honestly as far as corporate arts goes i am more excited for the 56 leonard bean than this. i hope that does not get value engineered out down there. that will look great for everybody walking by. this vessel business is kind of an eyesore. it will be active and fun though for sure, so i'm just nitpicking the sterility of it a bit. i certainly have no idea or imagination for what could have been better.

Bertrice Dec 3, 2016 3:51 PM

It's like Chutes and Ladders without the chutes

mrnyc Dec 4, 2016 9:17 PM

^ haha yeah.

since an observation type experience is what seems to be desired, maybe they should have just gone all out for a tokyo skytree? :shrug:

NYguy Dec 7, 2016 5:53 AM

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Originally Posted by artspook (Post 7638613)
never met an architectural model I didn't love . .
even the Ingles models of 2 WTC look great . . but only as models . .
so too does the model of "the Vessel" pictured above . .
it's fascinating as a small sculpture . .
and it probably would be exciting full scale, in most other locations . .
but I'm not sure that's the case here . .


You'll just have to wait until it's built. It's what's called a "participatory" sculpture. It's not merely there for you to look at. Just as people love to walk accross the Brooklyn Bridge, or down the High Line, this too will swarm with crowds. If you don't get it, that's fine, no one has to and not everyone will. But there will be more than enough people swarming around and through this thing.

As far as the Tokyo Skytree, why on earth would they build such a thing here in the plaza, especially considering they have an observation deck towering above???

mrnyc Dec 7, 2016 11:23 AM

^ obviously a skytree would be in place of an obs deck on a bldg.

the exercise being, if not a vessel, then what? just don't say a big water fountain. ha.

eastidaho Dec 9, 2016 1:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7644128)
You'll just have to wait until it's built. It's what's called a "participatory" sculpture. It's not merely there for you to look at. Just as people love to walk accross the Brooklyn Bridge, or down the High Line, this too will swarm with crowds. If you don't get it, that's fine, no one has to and not everyone will. But there will be more than enough people swarming around and through this thing.

I agree. When I return to NYC it will probably be with my kiddos. The list of things to do is a mile long. Walking the Brooklyn Bridge and the High Line will be much higher on the priority list than this hive. However, there are a number of people that have experienced the regulars more than enough times and would like to see and do something new. Time will tell if this is a popular place at first then fades over time or if it has staying power.

artspook Dec 9, 2016 5:24 AM

Just as people love to walk accross the Brooklyn Bridge,
or down the High Line, this too will swarm with crowds. - NYguy

You're right about we'll "just have to wait until it's built" . .
I just don't see it swarming year around, especially after 6 mo. . .
but I wouldn't mind being wrong . .

streetscaper Jan 13, 2017 4:11 AM

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PeterQM Jan 13, 2017 3:24 PM

Pieces of Thomas Heatherwick's 'Vessel' Arrive at Hudson Yards
January 12, 2017
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It’s not every day that a New York City developer commits millions of dollars, a noble civic gesture, to personally fund a public landmark. But Stephen Ross, chairman of Related Companies, is doing just that along Manhattan’s west side. The billionaire developer and Miami Dolphins-owner is constructing a $150 million, 200-foot tall public structure in collaboration with London-bound designer, Thomas Heatherwick. The “365-day Christmas tree,” as Ross describes it, will anchor the eastern half of their Hudson Yards Master Plan that Related is jointly developing with Oxford Property Group.
https://ds4.cityrealty.com/img/c4e5f...ick-vessel.jpg

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More PHOTOS, RENDERINGS and intro VIDEO in the post here.

mrnyc Jan 13, 2017 5:49 PM

excuse me, can you help us find the nuclear wessel?


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scalziand Jan 13, 2017 6:15 PM

Oh snap, didn't expect to see it show up already.

Austin55 Jan 14, 2017 10:57 PM

This thing is going to be amazing.

NYguy Jan 17, 2017 8:58 PM

This was filed in conjunction with 35 Hudson Yards...


http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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FILING HEREWITH FOR CONSTRUCTION AERIAL WALKWAY VIEWING PLATFORM.

THIS WORK IS LOCATED IN TAX LOT 175. WORK IS FILED UNDER TAX LOT 150 SINCE TAX LOT 175 IS NOT YET REFLECTED IN THE BIS SYSTEM.



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NYguy Jan 23, 2017 6:35 PM

Steven J. Messina

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jayden Jan 24, 2017 4:38 PM

Will this be wheelchair accessible/handicap friendly?

streetscaper Jan 24, 2017 10:57 PM

It will have an elevator, so yes

artspook Jan 29, 2017 2:05 AM

oh boy ! . . this is gonna be so much fun ! . .
I cant wait ! . . I cant wait ! . . Go over here ! . .
Go over there ! . . Look mom ! . . Look Dad ! . .
Huh ? . . Why does everybody feel sick ? . .
Let's get the hell out of this thing . .
all this relentless vomitous symmetry . .
it's eating our souls alive . .
after only 20 MINUTES . .

antinimby Jan 29, 2017 4:41 PM

^ I don't get your criticism of this structure. It is a form of art. There is no wrong or right. No good or bad. It's all subjective anyway. What you call "vomitous" is awe-inspiring for somebody else.

Anyway, it'll be another point of interest for the city, which will make the city that much more interesting. Would you happier if there was nothing there instead?

NYguy Jan 29, 2017 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 7693708)
Anyway, it'll be another point of interest for the city, which will make the city that much more interesting. Would you happier if there was nothing there instead?


Exactly, it will be one of the new, non-skyscraper icons of the city. It's interesting to watch this begin to take shape along with the New York Wheel on Staten Island. New York is never done, so everything you think you know about NY is just part of a larger story still being told (think of it that way).

This structure, like the NY Wheel, like the new parks and attractions being built around the city, after they're built and have taken their rightful place in the city fabric, will seem as natural as the Empire State or Central Park in belonging here. There was a time when NY didn't have those either. I'm sure there were those who thought putting that statue of a woman in the harbor (of all places), was a ridiculous idea too. There's a critic for everything.



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artspook Jan 30, 2017 3:39 AM

Would you happier if there was nothing there instead? . .
- antinimby
Maybe not . . there are cool things about it . .
it has texture, it is very interactive, a good place to exercise . .
but for all its focal positioning, expense, energy, material & hype . .
I also see a big, hyper-complex, tedious picnic-basket . .
a severely symmetrical geometric form of common proportion . .
an Escher-esque nightmare . . generating "stress-producing" vibes . .
rancorous enough to agitate our urban experience . .
It's a perfect location for shooting high-anxiety movie scenes . .
like Hitchcock's Vertigo . .

It's a design that's anything, but soothing . .
like a refreshing grand fountain . . or an unusual water feature . .
It's not a graceful architectural monument, . .
or preeminent landscape-engineering feature.
We might've had an supremely vertical avant-garde abstraction . .
with phenomenal 22nd-century night-lighting aspects . .
(no Koons steel-balloon dog) . . something aesthetically wonerful . .
in contrast to the mostly undistinguished HY glass building shapes . .

The intrusive bulky vessel, next to the boxy culture-shed . .
both in such close proximity . . awkwardly similar in volume and proportion
. . seems to hijack what could've been a beautiful open sweep . .
of a landscaped avenue handsomely joining the plaza . .

there's a critic for everything - NYguy
Most opinions on the forum are not witlessly unfounded . .
Everything that's built isn't great . . they ripped down Penn Station to build MSG . .
think the Colosseum complex at Columbus Circle . .
What about that modern mistake blocking the entrance
to McKim, Mead & White's Brooklyn Museum entrance . .

I know. We are getting this exact The Vessel.
So, should we just shut up already, & like it ? . .
everyone roll over & let developers promise glorious focal points . .
surpassing even the Eiffel Tower, . . then allow them to deliver
monstrous picnic baskets instead . . Thank you, your omnipotence ! . .
It is our city as much as theirs . . As a citizen of NYC, I reserve the right
to bitch . . then change my mind . . perhaps, eventually learn to like it . .

NYguy Feb 6, 2017 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by artspook (Post 7694168)
It's a design that's anything, but soothing . .
like a refreshing grand fountain . . or an unusual water feature . .


there's a critic for everything - NYguy
Most opinions on the forum are not witlessly unfounded . .
Everything that's built isn't great . . they ripped down Penn Station to build MSG


Oh please. No one said you had to like it. The fact remains, not everything is liked by everyone. Don't just assume everyone loves the Eiffel Tower or the Statue of Liberty. Lots of people hate Times Square, some think Central Park is too big and overrated. There are those who insist a walk across the Brooklyn Bridge is pointless. I get all of that. But you know what? None of that matters, because those places are iconic and draw crowds anyway, critics be damned. So the point is not to insists that YOU personally like it, but to understand that it will be everything Related intended it to be. Just sit back with your arms crossed and watch everyone else who will, enjoy it.



https://therealdeal.com/2017/02/06/b...in-future-nyc/


February 06, 2017
By Kathryn Brenzel and Miriam Hall


Quote:

Just as construction was set to begin on the honeycomb-like sculpture planned for Hudson Yards, Related Companies’ CEO Jeff Blau noticed a problem: all the pieces were piled up in the wrong railyard. The copper-clad steel pieces were marooned on the Western Yards, and despite painstaking planning to transport the parts from Italy, no one accounted for one crucial part of the trip.

“Well, we figured out how to build it in Italy, ship it through the canals, across the ocean, into New York, onto the truck, across the bridge, down West Side Highway — we can’t get it across 11th Avenue,” Blau recounted at a panel Friday night. The weight of the cargo, it turns out, exceeded what’s permitted on 11th Avenue, so Related will have to add extra support to the roadway to get the pieces over to the Eastern Yards.

The 16-story sculpture, designed by Thomas Heatherwick and dubbed “the Vessel,” will cost $180 million (a higher price tag than announced in September because it includes other associated costs, like landscaping). Blau envisions the piece as a “365-day a year Christmas tree” that will be a must-see for all New York City visitors, something of a Rockefeller Center on the Far West Side.

Blau discussed the project at a panel on Friday held by Hundred Stories and the 92nd Street YMCA as part of a real estate summit entitled “City of Tomorrow.” Blau shared the stage with two other giants in the development community, Harry Macklowe and Ian Schrager, to discuss how they and their peers are shaping the city’s skyline.

When the moderator asked how the developers think about their responsibility to the city beyond their individual buildings, Blau cited the Vessel — which will have some 2,500 steps that visitors can climb — and the six-acre public open space at the center of Hudson Yards as an example of how developers can contribute to the public good.


streetscaper Feb 6, 2017 4:30 PM

Oh man, I wonder how much extra time that means in terms of them resuming construction of the Vessel

mrnyc Feb 6, 2017 5:00 PM

so the stairs came all this way and now they cant get it across the street? thats pretty funny actually. oh the humanity, right? yeah there will be some delay. i'm sure they can work it out.

artspook Feb 15, 2017 1:28 AM

Just sit back with your arms crossed
and watch everyone else who will, enjoy it. - NYguy

I love all the things you mentioned . . Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty.
Times Square lights in the rain . . always see the value of Central Park . .
I once thought a walk across the Brooklyn Bridge was pointless . .
until I did it a few times . . but I always thought it beautiful . .

I just don't find this thing attractive . .
all those perfect, affluent, squeeky-clean, revoltingly-happy people . .
(as pictured in the promotional renderings) . .
enjoying themselves so thoroughly, . . in, on, & around this "sculpture" . .
they just look so incongruent, . .
juxtaposed with the tediously depressive "Vessel" . .

anyway, . . since this is what we're getting,
I certainly do hope that everybody enjoys it . .
and that not too many of them fall to their death . .

TowerDude Feb 19, 2017 6:55 PM

I wonder if they might erect another crane to transfer the parts of Vessel across 11th Avenue ... might be less expensive than strengthening the road ...

NYguy Feb 21, 2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by artspook (Post 7712374)
I certainly do hope that everybody enjoys it . .
and that not too many of them fall to their death . .

Maybe you should forward your concerns to Related, along with your acceptable number of "death falls". Maybe they can post the limit on site. And certainly, you should stay away.

NYguy Feb 21, 2017 11:45 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQrcKVqDtRn/

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The crane is in place to hoist up Thomas Heatherwick's epic sculpture, the Vessel. Composed of 154 interconnected staircases, I can't wait to see what the views will be like from its interior.

http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51...ODQ1NQ%3D%3D.2

citybooster Feb 22, 2017 1:31 AM

Very nice... how long should it be before the sculpture is fully assembled?

NYguy Feb 23, 2017 2:07 AM

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Originally Posted by citybooster (Post 7719577)
Very nice... how long should it be before the sculpture is fully assembled?

Haven't looked at that, but it will be interesting to watch this take shape along with the NY Wheel on Staten Island. Both similar, yet different projects that will become icons in the new New York.

artspook Feb 23, 2017 5:34 AM

" . . certainly, you should stay away." - NYguy

not a chance . . I'll have to see all the merriment . .
beautiful, happy, carefree families . . well-dressed, casually strolling about . .
skipping up the stairs 2 at a time . . ice-cream cones dripping . .
cavorting with their balloons and bubble gum . .
hanging precariously over the edge snapping selfies . .

Perhaps there'll be tuckered out, tormented trouble-makers . .
congregating nefariously in Vessel . . chucking trash down stairs . .
committing rape, murder, suicide, and seditionary acts ? . .
trashy hookers on level 7 1/2 . .

NYguy Feb 25, 2017 1:31 AM

^ Of course.



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chris08876 Mar 11, 2017 4:22 PM

High Quality Rendering:

http://www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com/co...-04_lowres.jpg
Credit: hudsonyardsnewyork

Design-mind Mar 11, 2017 5:57 PM

:slob: Wow! This area is going to be so stunning!

UTEPman Mar 12, 2017 10:44 PM

Anyone else think the Vessel looks like some kind of alien ribcage?

Not really digging it, honestly.

TowerDude Mar 13, 2017 2:22 AM

Its inspired by Indian Step Wells:
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NYguy Mar 13, 2017 3:14 PM

From earlier today.


Video Link

NYguy Mar 15, 2017 1:34 AM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...damn-high.html

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