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I'm in Chicago often. Your problem seems to be that you don't leave enough, so you have no external reference or context. These condo developments with huge parking structures are turning River North into something like Atlanta or Miami, rather than NY or Boston (or what Chicago once was). That's a problem. |
Wow, this came out of nowhere, love the massing renderings.
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I despise parking too, but the reality is that you're not going to sell $2 million condos without having a parking spot for the Lotus. |
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from the playpen: https://s1.postimg.org/3yw3ncmmm7/cathedral_11.jpg from the the signature lounge: https://s1.postimg.org/4npd7dc32n/cathedral_12.jpg from the sears skydeck: https://s1.postimg.org/3h61yrmjbz/cathedral_13.jpg |
So almost 900 new residential units. Mostly apartments. That is extremely ambitious, especially given that so many new apartment units are coming online now. Although at the earliest this is 4-5 years away. But still.
Steely's models really do demonstrate that the scale of these towers are very appropriate for the area. I hope it gets approved and built as is. I still think it'll be scaled back a bit. Don't developers frequently propose much more, so that when it is scaled back, it looks like they're giving into NIMBY pressure? |
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I've been to multiple RE conferences where speakers mentioned that last point specifically. It will completely change the need for parking in city centers worldwide. |
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we aren't there yet, and regardless of what people in manhattan or brooklyn or timbuk-fucking-tu do, chicago is absolutely still a city where most people of means own a car, and as such, the real estate market caters to that demand. |
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And much like emissions standards, or forward thinking countries (i.e., not the US) setting dates by which all vehicles must be electric, government has a role in nudging people toward these inevitable changes. They need to ban above ground parking in Chicago now. It will be priced into developments. It will slow the pace of development a bit. But it will make the city a better place for generations to come. |
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A ban is too rigid, too severe a constraint. A tax on above ground (or a subsidy for below) would be a more flexible approach that acknowledges that below ground parking is not always economical. |
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i think it's pretty fucking safe to say that we all know what your position is on the matter by now. you can complain about about it for another 15 years (and i'm sure you will), and i'll bet dollars to donuts that absolutely nothing will change from a government standpoint. the only way the parking podiums in chicago go away is through market forces as the demand for personally owned automobiles dries up in the coming decades. |
This whole "Everything is better in countries that aren't the US" is unintentionally funny but doesn't really have much to do with the subject.
This thread is bringing back memories in that for the first time in years I thought of my senior baccalaureate at Holy Name almost twenty years ago. Relatedly, that's when I moved out of Bridgeport and haven't lived there since, so if anyone has any questions about how the neighborhood is now, be sure to hit me up. |
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Of course that's true. And downtown Chicago will be the worse for it, for the rest of our lifetimes and beyond. This forum is full of wishful thinking and I'm contributing my own. Meanwhile I had two meetings in the City (of London) today and didn't see a single sign of a parking garage, walking all over the place. Sigh. |
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source: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rjap2 if this thread were in any way shape or form somehow related to anything at all in london, maybe you'd have a point. ANYWAY, let's get back to the actual topic of this thread. |
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Often towers rise, but in doing so, they remove the very sources of street life and what makes a street great in the first place. Deals with the owners, reopening businesses after X development is finished would be nice. What won't be good is a TGI Fridays or some garbage establishment replacing the good old mom n' pop food joints. Again, just speaking in general here. |
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