Interactive map of Texas counties.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronaviru...ents-in-texas/

Working from home has greatly reduced how much mobility (walking or cycling) I get every day. And we're also in the transition between summer and winter sports so no more ice skating or x-country skiing.

So to keep at least a bit active I've been going on long (90 minutes or so) walks in my suburban surroundings every evening.

I haven't actually "shared" a sidewalk with anyone since I started last week. Either I go off into the street or they do. Or one of us goes off into an orbital pattern onto the grass.

Sorry, I don't believe it. You cannot possibly think that tolerating a society that puts a dollar value on human life is a brighter future for your children.

Where I live we have an extensive walking/ bike trail system that traverses the entire subdvision and they are heavily crowded since the shelter in place and self quarantines. People are out riding bikes and walking far more than they typically do. Probably because everyone is working from home and taking breaks. Kids are home too. Surprised not same situation for you up there as well.

He absolutely does. Did you forget you're talking to Crawford?

I absolutely believe that. But not specifically "dollar amount"; I believe that human interaction, ultimately, is essential for human existence. Economic productivity is an output.

He may be fine putting a dollar value on other people's lives, but I don't think he'd ever be fine with a dollar tag being applied to the lives of his own children. And that's the slippery slope we're on when we start saying that certain people are expendable.

maybe after they cure the corona they'll come up with something for aspergers. :rolleyes:

Oh, it's the same here. My kids go out for a daily jog in the neighbourhood - not something that they would normally do.

What I meant is for me my usual activities don't typically involve long walks in my neighbourhood. I am usually active doing other stuff every day. Like in winter when I can't bike if I take my car or transit to work I have a bit of a walk to and from the office.

And right now I'd normally be a few days away from starting my bike-to-work season. But I won't be going into the office for a while. Plus my bike needs repairs and all of the bike shops are closed.

Though I am itching to get out and ride so I am going to try and rejig my wife's (crappy) bike in the next day or so.

I think what Crawford is saying is perfectly reasonable.

But...in typical douchy SSP fashion, his basic point gets stretched and exaggerated toward something completely inane (ie strawman).

We are taking FUCKING BIG TIME measures here, and allowing a handful of people to take away our liberties because of this emergency.

Fine.

But then this better damn well be a HUGE AS FUCK emergency—millions of lives saved by these measures.

Because I’m not doing this shit every 5 years, and sure as I’m speaking I will in no fucking way comply with this just to save a few thousand people. That’s just unfair to civilization. Especially our free one.

Well of course. But Crawford has never been afraid of blatant hypocrisy and contradictions when it comes to his subscribed ideology and worldview.

agreed. now if you could yell and curse a little louder maybe the corona will hear you.

Who? Older people/ sick people expected to be filed away in their houses indefinitely so we can go back to work? I understand where Crawford is coming from and we can't shut down forever and at somepoint, we will have to resume life in some capacity but we can't sideline an entire portion of the population. We're going to have to figure something out. My vigorous and healthy 71 year old mother is not going to sit home

We are talking about millions of lives. If 80% of the U.S. population becomes infected to achieve "herd immunity", then even under the most conservative mortality rate you're talking about 3 million fatalities. Italy is currently around an 10% mortality rate, that is driven by their health care system being overwhelmed. So, if we allowed our healthcare system to get overwhelmed then we're talking about 30 million deaths.

But we're not just talking about 30 million elderly people. Half of the hospitalizations in New York have been in the under 50 crowd (40% in the 18 - 44 group). So you could expect a good number of those 30 million fatalities to come from working age - younger, otherwise healthy people. Is that good for the economy? Can the United States economy withstand permanently losing 10-15 million working age people?

How many fatalities have there been, nationwide, of people without preexisting conditions? Do we actually have any data?

If you're right and 15 million healthy people will drop dead in the U.S. unless we destroy the economy/society, then yeah, we probably have to at least consider destroying the economy/society. But I don't think this is true.

Everything I said is based off of numbers that Cuomo has publicized in his briefings, and/or covid-19 infection and fatality trackers.

I realize all of this. I’m an MD. I am doing telemedicine and clinic visits. Our hospital is having tons of virtual meetings and updates about this on a daily basis. I’m expected to be called into the hospital at some point, I’m assuming, if/when we get overwhelmed, to help out.

My wife is a doctor too. We may both eventually have to come in. We both are still going to our jobs, and we both are among very few who still have to use daycare for our kids.

I get all of the math, I get what we are worried about. I am on top of the data basically every single day.

I think our response to COVID-19 is appropriate.

That’s not what worries me. What worries me, and I’m admittedly being paranoid here, is that there is a growing cult-like sector of our country that tilts authoritarian. A sector that wants a more top-down, quasi-Socialist society to emerge, and that this emergency will serve as a convenient opportunity to lower the threshold by which we strip away people’s’ rights.

Wanna congregate at the park? Nope. You will get a fine or, worse, arrested.

Wanna evict a squatter who is not paying rent? Nope. He gets to live in your place for free because of our eviction moratorium. Oh, and you get no compensation from the Government and still have to pay your mortgage. And 2008 teaches us that the Feds will willingly rescue the banks but not our landlords, by the way.

Wanna work? You can’t right now. Stay home. And don’t worry we will send you a check.

I hope and pray that our finer instincts win us over when all of this has ended, and that we return to being the free market, private property respecting society that we were prior to this pandemic.

Societies put a price on a human lives all the time. We just don't think about it because we're too used to the ways that we do it.

They are only doing this because it is better than the alternative.

Top down has always existed.

Socialized programs in health and education aren't taking away people's freedom, if anything, they enable opportunity.

I don't get this freaking out about freedom. I think a lot of this freedom jive is in your mind, not for real.