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mrfredmertz Apr 5, 2021 5:47 AM

In response to the question asked about the "Isn't Hollywood Unusual?" Film, William Desmond Taylor was killed in 1922. Graumans Opened in 1927, so the director must be another William Taylor. Similarly, The Crossroads of the World opened in 1936, so it can't be in the film either. I know this because the widow of the man who LA District Attorney Dave Clark murdered took his insurance money and built The Crossroads. I know this because that case was the original story we were going to tell in "Perry Mason" on HBO.

riichkay Apr 5, 2021 7:24 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL/Herald Examiner collection


"A powerful bomb was exploded in the carport of a $200,000 home in Doheny Estates, igniting a fire that destroyed the entire interior of the home, the carport and two automobiles.

The bomb was attached to the floorboard of a late-model Cadillac, and blew a hole in the floor 2 feet square.

The occupants, Mr. and Mrs. John Coughlin, who were subleasing the single-story, 5,000-square-foot stucco house in the Hollywood Hills above Sunset Boulevard, were asleep when the bomb went off about 12:30 a.m. but escaped without injury." 

Photograph dated October 6, 1970.


No address provided for the destroyed home.

Considerable noirishness here....someone had the wherewithal to wire a ferocious explosive to the Caddy....were they targeting John Coughlin, his wife, or possibly both?....a cursory search yielded no additional details.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds




https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

CaliNative Apr 5, 2021 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfredmertz (Post 9238532)
In response to the question asked about the "Isn't Hollywood Unusual?" Film, William Desmond Taylor was killed in 1922. Graumans Opened in 1927, so the director must be another William Taylor. Similarly, The Crossroads of the World opened in 1936, so it can't be in the film either. I know this because the widow of the man who LA District Attorney Dave Clark murdered took his insurance money and built The Crossroads. I know this because that case was the original story we were going to tell in "Perry Mason" on HBO.

You have a connection to the HBO Perry Mason show? Great show. Very noirish.

UphillDonkey Apr 6, 2021 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 9238503)
No date or location for this SPNB Collection photo, although the presence of the Cahuenga cross and the absence of the Hollywood Sign pin the date down to 1923. Are those houses in the foreground still there?

https://i.imgur.com/tH0KcLs.jpg
via Calisphere.org

https://i.imgur.com/2afm04k.jpg
Google Earth Pro

The furthest house still exists on Iris Circle in Whitley Heights. The two closer houses were demolished between 1948 and 1952 to make way for the Hollywood Freeway.

mrfredmertz Apr 6, 2021 1:22 AM

Replying to Calnative.
I am one of the producers of "Perry Mason" on HBO. And very proud of it.

Lorendoc Apr 6, 2021 4:36 AM

Iris Circle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UphillDonkey (Post 9239269)
The furthest house still exists on Iris Circle in Whitley Heights. The two closer houses were demolished between 1948 and 1952 to make way for the Hollywood Freeway.

Thanks for the suggestion, UphillDonkey, could you mark the surviving house, I'm not sure which one you meant - Thanks.

CaliNative Apr 6, 2021 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfredmertz (Post 9239299)
Replying to Calnative.
I am one of the producers of "Perry Mason" on HBO. And very proud of it.

Proud you should be...great show! Thanks! A favorite of most of the noirishers here no doubt including me.

CityBoyDoug Apr 6, 2021 1:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9238550)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
LAPL/Herald Examiner collection


"A powerful bomb was exploded in the carport of a $200,000 home in Doheny Estates, igniting a fire that destroyed the entire interior of the home, the carport and two automobiles.


Mr. and Mrs. Coughlin were probably awakened by the noise. What a rude disturbance to their sleep.

ethereal_reality Apr 6, 2021 5:48 PM



Redwine Bldg. Los Angeles - 1975 - mystery location.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/64YKHO.jpg
eBay

Any ideas where this might be?






The rear entrance to Musso & Franks in March 1975.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PwOknd.jpg

That's probably the chef's car. He's ready for a quick take off.


Does anyone know what the back of Musso & Frank's looks like today? (I hope they at least straightened that sign)




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ethereal_reality Apr 6, 2021 6:01 PM

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mystery location #2 (for April 6th)



When I first saw this snapshot I thought 'business man and assistant'. . .but know I'm thinking man and wife.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/GYcPD3.jpg
eBay

Boy, that is a lot of litter.




Here's a closer look at the buildings in the distance. (note the GIANT ANT on the roof of the May Co.)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9yzQaA.jpg
detail



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9782/AtoCnU.gif




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Sakhal Nakhash Apr 6, 2021 6:45 PM

Ah, my old neighborhood.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9239892)

Redwine Bldg. Los Angeles - 1975 - mystery location.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/64YKHO.jpg
eBay


Any ideas where this might be?






The rear entrance to Musso & Franks in March 1975.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/bFrXrk.jpg

That's probably the chef's car. He's ready for a quick take off.


Does anyone know what the back of Musso & Frank's looks like today? (I hope they at least straightened that sign)




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It's on Las Palmas between Hollywood and Selma. I've walked past it hundreds of times. Buster Keaton filmed a scene in front of the church at the intersection of Selma and Las Palmas. (Not the same building, the original church burned down as I recall, and it was rebuilt).
The back of Musso and Frank's was a private club called The Writer's room, or something like that. I seem to remember that it had something to do with Johnny Depp. Again, I'm going purely from memory, so I could be mistaken.
The back of the building had some painted caricatures and graffiti. From what I've seen on Google Maps they've built an apartment building in the parking lot behind there in the years since I was there.

Sakhal Nakhash Apr 6, 2021 7:20 PM

*gasp*
 
Well, speaking of Crossroads of the World, I just read that they're going to tear it down to build a high-rise.
That just ruined my day.
:hell:

Martin Pal Apr 6, 2021 7:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9239892)

Does anyone know what the back of Musso & Frank's looks like today? (I hope they at least straightened that sign)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/zulcER.jpg

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I took a look around on the Googlemobile. If you go up Cherokee you can look down toward the back and there's a green awning over that back entrance. A several story building has also been built from Cherokee down past Musso & Frank at the rear. I'm assuming it's an apartment building, though I don't know.

Apparently that area used to be a parking lot. Redfin says: The one-acre project site, located just north of Hollywood Boulevard, spans between Las Palmas and Cherokee Avenues. A six-story edifice that will feature 224 studio, one-, and two-bedroom apartments, in addition to approximately 1,000 square feet of street-level retail space.

That project is finished.

M&F back entrance 2010:

https://lizziee.files.wordpress.com/...nk-outside.jpgRefinedPalate

2020:

https://www.limitedruns.com/media/ca...c7a3b84e15.jpgLimitedRuns

If you look on GSV (HERE) the current photo of the front shows that they've moved both the Musso & Frank sign and the "Oldest Rest. in Hollywood" sign. And are they expanding to the right? That did not used to be part of the restaurant.

Like many places, Musso & Frank has been closed. They tried outdoor dining that did not work and take-out which "was not feasible." They used PPP funds to pay health insurance for their employees and customer benefactors have helped out and eventually a GoFundMe page was set up.

Current word from a couple weeks ago: Musso & Frank Grill isn’t ready to return just yet. They say in a lengthy Instagram post that “we are now starting the extensive process of putting the gears in motion for a reopening in the near future,” adding that it will “take several weeks” at least.

Instagram post dated March 15th:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMcpGqfslqx/

Martin Pal Apr 6, 2021 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9240036)
Well, speaking of Crossroads of the World, I just read that they're going to tear it down to build a high-rise.
That just ruined my day.
:hell:
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Unless I know what you read, I don't think that's true. There is a huge development project around there, but TCoTW isn't being torn down. L.A. Conservancy's website says:
Saved
Crossroads of the World /
Hollywood Reporter Building
Link: https://www.laconservancy.org/locati...ossroads-world

Excellent informative and often infuriating...Article from theLAnd:

At a Crossroads
How a pay-to-play corruption scandal at City Council intersects with Crossroads Hollywood, a glass skyscraper set to demolish a series of historic structures and displace their longtime tenants.

https://thelandmag.com/crossroads-hollywood/

From the article:
One of the buildings that will be preserved is the circa-1931 complex from which this new development takes its name: the Crossroads of the World [...]. This beloved plaza will become the token centerpiece for the multiple glass skyscrapers that will surround it on all sides. But many of the nearby buildings will not survive. Between 2017 and 2018, The Cultural Heritage Commission recommended five of the buildings in the footprint of Crossroads Hollywood for Historic-Cultural Monument status: the Hollywood Reporter building, the Talbot-Woods craftsman-style duplex, one pristinely-maintained 1910 bungalow, the Selma-Las Palmas courtyard apartments, and the 1920's Bullinger Building.

[The Hollywood Reporter building received the Historic-Cultural Monument status. The other 4 did not.]

odinthor Apr 6, 2021 9:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9239913)
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mystery location #2 (for April 6th)



When I first saw this snapshot I thought 'business man and assistant'. . .but know I'm thinking man and wife.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/GYcPD3.jpg
eBay

Boy, that is a lot of litter.


Here's a closer look at the buildings in the distance. (note the GIANT ANT on the roof of the May Co.)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/9yzQaA.jpg
detail


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9782/AtoCnU.gif


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e_r, I believe we're looking at the May Co which anchored the Lakewood Mall (with which I was most familiar indeed in the late 1950s through the 1980s). Pep Boys, the sign of which edges into the pic, opened a location across the street in 1959:

https://i.postimg.cc/NGnnGHXM/Pep-LAT-59-5-24.jpg
LA Times, 5/24/1959.

The May Co building, though altered, is still there. The ant is not.

Lwize Apr 6, 2021 9:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9238550)
...a $200,000 home in Doheny Estates...

...the single-story, 5,000-square-foot stucco house in the Hollywood Hills above Sunset Boulevard, ...

Photograph dated October 6, 1970.

That's all I saw.

Probably need a few more zeroes today.

BDiH Apr 6, 2021 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9239987)
It's on Las Palmas between Hollywood and Selma. I've walked past it hundreds of times. Buster Keaton filmed a scene in front of the church at the intersection of Selma and Las Palmas. (Not the same building, the original church burned down as I recall, and it was rebuilt).
The back of Musso and Frank's was a private club called The Writer's room, or something like that. I seem to remember that it had something to do with Johnny Depp. Again, I'm going purely from memory, so I could be mistaken.
The back of the building had some painted caricatures and graffiti. From what I've seen on Google Maps they've built an apartment building in the parking lot behind there in the years since I was there.

That same church was also in "Gun Crazy" with Peggy Cummins and John Dall.

This site has more photos of the exterior, rear of Musso and Frank:


http://www.mussoandfrankgrill.com/

Handsome Stranger Apr 7, 2021 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 9240240)
That same church was also in "Gun Crazy" with Peggy Cummins and John Dall.

It's very briefly visible through a taxi windshield about one hour into the movie.

https://i.postimg.cc/fTWw2n6B/church.jpg

Here's John Bengston's blog post about Keaton's use of this church in "Cops" with several photos.

Sakhal Nakhash Apr 7, 2021 1:14 PM

What a load that is off my mind.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9240117)
Unless I know what you read, I don't think that's true. There is a huge development project around there, but TCoTW isn't being torn down. L.A. Conservancy's website says:
Saved
Crossroads of the World /
Hollywood Reporter Building
Link: https://www.laconservancy.org/locati...ossroads-world

Excellent informative and often infuriating...Article from theLAnd:

At a Crossroads
How a pay-to-play corruption scandal at City Council intersects with Crossroads Hollywood, a glass skyscraper set to demolish a series of historic structures and displace their longtime tenants.

https://thelandmag.com/crossroads-hollywood/

From the article:
One of the buildings that will be preserved is the circa-1931 complex from which this new development takes its name: the Crossroads of the World [...]. This beloved plaza will become the token centerpiece for the multiple glass skyscrapers that will surround it on all sides. But many of the nearby buildings will not survive. Between 2017 and 2018, The Cultural Heritage Commission recommended five of the buildings in the footprint of Crossroads Hollywood for Historic-Cultural Monument status: the Hollywood Reporter building, the Talbot-Woods craftsman-style duplex, one pristinely-maintained 1910 bungalow, the Selma-Las Palmas courtyard apartments, and the 1920's Bullinger Building.

[The Hollywood Reporter building received the Historic-Cultural Monument status. The other 4 did not.]

Oh! Phew! What a massive relief.
It was the wording in the Wikipedia article that got me:
"The owner is planning on redeveloping the site...

In January 2019, the Los Angeles City Council approved the project to revamp the Crossroads of the World in a move to revitalize the district.[2] Three high-rise buildings are planned to bring 950 apartments and condos, a 308-room hotel, and 190,000 square feet (18,000 m2) of commercial space. Preservationists called the redevelopment project a "Manhattanization of Hollywood".[3] Eighty-two Hollywood Regency garden apartments are to be demolished in the project.[4][5] These rent stabilized apartments are occupied by a decades-old, tight-knit community of largely low-income, predominantly Latino residents. Over 100 apartments in the project will be set aside for very low-income families."

I took the wording to mean the actual spot where C.o.t.W. is located.
I'm glad to hear about the old H.C.R. building.

Thank you again for putting my mind at ease.

Sakhal Nakhash Apr 7, 2021 1:24 PM

Oh, just one more thing.
I realized a few moments after I posted my previous comment that I had mixed up The Hollywood Reporter building and the Hollywood Citizen News building.
How embarrassing.
:no:

Bristolian Apr 7, 2021 3:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9240175)
e_r, I believe we're looking at the May Co which anchored the Lakewood Mall (with which I was most familiar indeed in the late 1950s through the 1980s). Pep Boys, the sign of which edges into the pic, opened a location across the street in 1959:

https://i.postimg.cc/NGnnGHXM/Pep-LAT-59-5-24.jpg
LA Times, 5/24/1959.

The May Co building, though altered, is still there. The ant is not.

When I saw May Co and Pep Boys I thought of the South Bay Galleria, formerly South Bay Center which had a May Co which is still standing but the whole complex is slated for demolition or a massive makeover. There was also a Pep Boys location on Artesia Blvd. which was nearby but not as close as what is seen in the photo.

Martin Pal Apr 7, 2021 5:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9240775)
I took the wording to mean the actual spot where C.o.t.W. is located.


Still and all, Sakhal...sadly these massive construction projects are dwarfing the iconic locations that people are trying to save. When one looks at the renderings for this project and others, like the project next to Angel's Flight and the hotel project to incorporate and hover over Barnery's Beanery even, they all make the original locations look out of place or like a theme restaurant. You can hardly even see Angel's Flight next to that project. It looks like some fire escape. It's almost like they still really are being erased and put out of context. The context around these locations is as important as the buildings themselves. Otherwise, it's only more like recreating the Brown Derby at Disney World in Florida. It's not the same.

ethereal_reality Apr 8, 2021 7:18 PM

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Since Crossroads of the World was brought up yesterday I thought I would revisit it.


For some reason I always forget about the back section facing Selma Ave. (as you can see it's just east of the recently discussed Baptist Church)
It is surprisingly quite some distance from the better known group of buildings
at Sunset Blvd. (where the iconic rotating globe is located)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/CT9iAf.jpg
GSV - Sunset at bottom - Selma at top


If I'm not mistaken the original plans for the area between the two groupings was going to be a 'Crossroads of the World' theater. (?)






UPDATE!


I just found this map that includes the proposed buildings that never came to fruition and, yes, one of them was going to be a theater.

I also see that the segment on Selma Ave. was called the Continental Villa.

The unrealized buildings are in a lighter shade.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/qR9DJg.jpg
findinglostangeles

As you can see the development was going to extend west, over to Las Palmas Ave. (top of map)


I imagine the empty gap, as a result of the unbuilt buildings, contributed to development's struggles in popularity. Shoppers were supposed to lose themselves in a fantasy world
but to get to the buildings in the back (the Continental Villa) you had to cross an expanse of. . .umm. . .parking lot(?) . . .empty space(?) I'm not sure which. :shrug:


AND the parcel of land that eventually became Crossroads of the World was the site of a very noirish double murder! (more on that later) or if anyone else wants to tackle the subject feel free to do so.
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ethereal_reality Apr 8, 2021 7:42 PM

:previous:


I forgot to include this 1950 Sanborn Map.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/rBBEzN.jpg

I see there are a few stray buildings on the right. (with the S's on them for stores) *looks closer* I guess it's one building.


Let me see if I can make it bigger.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/Uvu2Xf.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/N3v3B4.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/2KhZTd.jpg

Wallah!


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CityBoyDoug Apr 8, 2021 11:25 PM

Film of San Fernando Road... 1949.

https://youtu.be/x3X5DwDGvmo

Loaded with old buildings, vintage cars and trucks. People were still driving pre WW II cars.

4 minutes

mrfredmertz Apr 9, 2021 1:49 AM

Da da dahhhh Da Dum Dum!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9239491)
Proud you should be...great show! Thanks! A favorite of most of the noirishers here no doubt including me.

Thanks. The idea to revive Perry Mason occurred to me in 1999. I tracked down the rights and spent DECADES trying to sew this together. My partner joined the cause in 2011 and we ended up bringing in Robert Downey Jr who set it up at Warner Bros. as a big-budget movie THE VERY NEXT DAY. We developed it for another five years and then it moved over to Warner's sister company, HBO. So my - and Perry's overnight success only took 21 years.

Handsome Stranger Apr 9, 2021 7:59 PM

Current construction at 51st and Broadway has uncovered a long hidden sign for the Globe Department Store that once stood at this intersection. Has this building been discussed here previously?

https://i.postimg.cc/zDjmcFVD/globe-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/bNwXcStx/globe-2.jpg

(Photos found on Reddit.)

Also...I very much enjoyed the reboot of Perry Mason, mrfredmertz. Congrats!

KevinW Apr 9, 2021 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9239987)
It's on Las Palmas between Hollywood and Selma. I've walked past it hundreds of times. Buster Keaton filmed a scene in front of the church at the intersection of Selma and Las Palmas. (Not the same building, the original church burned down as I recall, and it was rebuilt).
The back of Musso and Frank's was a private club called The Writer's room, or something like that. I seem to remember that it had something to do with Johnny Depp. Again, I'm going purely from memory, so I could be mistaken.
The back of the building had some painted caricatures and graffiti. From what I've seen on Google Maps they've built an apartment building in the parking lot behind there in the years since I was there.

I can confirm the back of Musso & Franks was the entrance to a bar called The Writers Room because supposedly Hemingway, F Scott Fitzgerald and others drank there. It went out of business in about 2015 and was replaced by a lesbian bar whose name now escapes me.

ethereal_reality Apr 10, 2021 4:46 PM

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That Globe ghost sign is a very cool discovery, Handsome Stranger.

I wondered why the left side was blank so I slightly adjusted the contrast.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/XLeOJm.jpg

As you can see there is a very large red arrow. So where, exactly, was the ghost sign found? There wouldn't an arrow if it was at the exact location.
Is it across the street?. . .is it down the block?)




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Zd1pSY.jpg

I find it hard to believe there was a store that covered an entire city block at S. Broadway and 51st.

& I take it the ultra-modern building was never built, right? :shrug:






Here's an item from ebay that includes a 2nd location in Inglewood.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/ze5yZp.jpg


They pretty such had everything from nuts to bolts.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Yuzfc4.jpg

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Including bridge tables!



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HossC Apr 10, 2021 6:52 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9244370)

I find it hard to believe there was a store that covered an entire city block at S. Broadway and 51st.

& I take it the ultra-modern building was never built, right? :shrug:

The Newspaper article appears to be from the 26 July, 1936 edition of the LAT. This 1938 aerial shows contiguous buildings between 51st and 52nd Streets.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
mil.library.ucsb.edu

From a couple of years ago:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8462288)

...here's another advert from the 1936 CD.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eptStores1.jpg
LAPL

Globe Department Stores Inc was still at 5100 S Broadway in 1956. By the early '60s, they'd either moved or downsized to 5136 S Broadway, and then spent 1963-69 at 5201 S Vermont Avenue. Does anyone have any photos (I haven't had a chance to look yet) - there's only a drawing in the link above.

And rcarlton posted this is 2012, which possibly shows the store covering a whole block.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5853773)

Could this be the Globe Department Store?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/8...06681753_b.jpgLAPL

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/8...76e16e4a_b.jpgGE

Sure has changed. Tower still stands.


Snix Apr 10, 2021 7:02 PM

The Globe Department Store became the Paradise Baptist Church in 1960.

https://digital-collections.csun.edu...99/default.jpg
1967
Harry Adams/California State University Northridge. University Library. Special Collections & Archives. Tom & Ethel Bradley Center
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a71eef33_b.jpg
2020
GSV

Snix Apr 10, 2021 8:12 PM

Redwine Building

Historic-Cultural Monument application, December 2015

The 1931 Redwine Building is located at 1618 N. Las Palmas Avenue in the heart of Hollywood, south of Hollywood Boulevard. The two-story rectangular shaped building was designed by architect Richard D. King for Los Angeles attorney Hiram G. Redwine in the Art Deco style. The building replaced Redwine’s family residence on the site and was subsequently used as his
office, a meeting place, and as leased offices by companies such as Shell Oil...

https://planning.lacity.org/StaffRpt...BuildingUC.pdf



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9239892)

Redwine Bldg. Los Angeles - 1975 - mystery location.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/64YKHO.jpg
eBay

Any ideas where this might be?




The rear entrance to Musso & Franks in March 1975.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PwOknd.jpg

That's probably the chef's car. He's ready for a quick take off.


Does anyone know what the back of Musso & Frank's looks like today? (I hope they at least straightened that sign)




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Martin Pal Apr 10, 2021 9:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 9243900)
I can confirm the back of Musso & Franks was the entrance to a bar called The Writers Room because supposedly Hemingway, F Scott Fitzgerald and others drank there. It went out of business in about 2015 and was replaced by a lesbian bar whose name now escapes me.
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This interesting L.A. Times article discusses the, at the time, new place, it's location, patrons etc.

The Writer’s Room Aims for Quiet Style Amid Hollywood Bar Scene
By Charlie Amter, SPECIAL TO THE LOS ANGELES TIMES
OCT. 14, 2011

Link: HERE.

The article says it's in a space that "once belonged to Musso & Franks", so it's not technically in the back of it, per se.

This LAist article, HERE, says the GOLDEN BOX opened in The Writers Room space in November of 2014.

So far, I have not come across any place mentioning that this is a lesbian bar, but with a name like Golden Box...?
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In an article about Musso & Franks 100th Anniversary there was this: Musso & Frank became a favorite haunt of novelists like Faulkner and Fitzgerald. “The Screen Writers Guild was right across the street,” said present-day proprietor Mark Echeverria. “After their scripts were hacked apart by studio executives, they’d go to the Guild and complain…then cross the street to Musso’s and get drunk.”

I was trying to figure out where the "Screen Writers Guild", precursor to the Writers Guild of America, was actually located. So far, this is what I've found.

1.) The Screen Writers’ Guild was formed in the summer of 1920.

2.) By February 1921, the group rented a temporary office in the Markham Building at 6372 Hollywood Boulevard.

3.) When the SWG was formed in 1920, writers made it clear that they not only wanted to improve their professional prospects but also wanted a place of their own to socialize and network. In addition to being the first elected Vice President of the SWG, Mary O’Connor was an organizer of the social arm of the Guild called The Writers’ Club. She was the majority shareholder in a company called The Las Palmas and Sunset Corporation, the company under which the SWG transacted business. One of the first activities of this company was the purchase of a mansion at 6716 Sunset Boulevard, which was then converted into a clubhouse. (By 1923, the address of the building became 6700 Sunset Blvd.)

4.) 1928 photo of the clubhouse

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...+Club+1928.jpgSecurity Pacific National Bank Collection/LAPL

5.) This clubhouse would serve as a gathering place and SWG headquarters until 1933, when the newly revitalized union moved to 1655 N. Cherokee. (Near Melrose Ave.)

https://www.wgfoundation.org/screenwritersguild-history

Martin Pal Apr 10, 2021 9:57 PM

E_R, I believe once or twice you said that underground tunnels was something that fascinated you, and I know we've come across those on NLA before. I saw this:


Underground Tunnels of Los Angeles – Los Angeles, California - Atlas Obscura
Discover Underground Tunnels of Los Angeles in Los Angeles, California: During prohibition, corrupt city officials ran drinking dens under the streets of Downtown Los Angeles.

I haven't looked at this further, but I thought I'd post the link here in case I don't get back to it or whatever.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/...ls-los-angeles

Handsome Stranger Apr 12, 2021 4:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9244370)
As you can see there is a very large red arrow. So where, exactly, was the ghost sign found? There wouldn't an arrow if it was at the exact location.
Is it across the street?. . .is it down the block?)

Must you goad me into doing on-site investigations? Grumble grumble...very well then!

https://i.postimg.cc/Hs2x46H8/GLOBE.jpg

It's on the southwest corner of the nearly block-long building, facing 52nd Street. So the arrow on the left side of the sign isn't pointing at anything other than the right side of the sign.

This must be why they went out of business: arbitrary arrows in their signage.

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2021 6:17 AM

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:previous: Very Cool! Thanks so much!


Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9244451)

re: Globe Department Store

This 1938 aerial shows contiguous buildings between 51st and 52nd Streets.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
mil.library.ucsb.edu

I stand corrected Hoss. :)

ethereal_reality Apr 12, 2021 6:29 AM

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mystery locations


A set of four slides from the Los Angeles Planning Department.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/wR08ns.jpg
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#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/6l5IxT.jpg












#2

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#3

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/77EwGq.jpg














#4

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/3JLdIA.jpg






Here's this again so you don't have to scroll back up.:)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/wR08ns.jpg
Link


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HossC Apr 12, 2021 1:16 PM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9245603)

mystery locations

I'll take three of them.

The first is looking roughly south from around 2nd and Broadway. The LA Times building is in the lower left corner and the Bradbury is above the building with the Victor advert.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9245603)

The bridge is where Sunset Boulevard crosses Silver Lake Boulevard. We're looking roughly north. We covered the bridge in a few posts back on page 1519.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9245603)

This one's looking roughly northeast from around Olympic and Flower.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9245603)


Slauson Slim Apr 12, 2021 5:23 PM

I grew up at 58th and South Broadway - ‘50s to mid’60s - and walked past the Globe building on the way to school, doing errands or visiting friends. I recall a store past its prime, dark inside with second rate goods displayed, mostly clothing and furniture. Sad and shabby. There was no art deco/moderne facade.

HossC Apr 12, 2021 5:53 PM

The last one took me a little longer. The street with the green median is Glendale Boulevard, and the major intersection is with N Alvarado Street. The bridge in the top-left is where Sunset crosses Glendale - we covered that in post #20936. We're looking roughly southwest.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9245603)


unihikid Apr 12, 2021 6:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9239892)

Redwine Bldg. Los Angeles - 1975 - mystery location.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/64YKHO.jpg
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Any ideas where this might be?








The rear entrance to Musso & Franks in March 1975.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PwOknd.jpg

That's probably the chef's car. He's ready for a quick take off.


Does anyone know what the back of Musso & Frank's looks like today? (I hope they at least straightened that sign)




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ER, being a car nut i always look out for 66 Buick's. This is my first time seeing one on this forum and on top of that in livin color! The above is a 66 LeSabre which shared body styles with Wildcat and Electra 225. Below is my Wildcat, ill try and see if i can recreate the picture next week.



[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/SKGvLB9G/IMG-1114.jpg[/IMG]

photo by me

Snix Apr 13, 2021 2:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sakhal Nakhash (Post 9239987)
It's on Las Palmas between Hollywood and Selma. I've walked past it hundreds of times. Buster Keaton filmed a scene in front of the church at the intersection of Selma and Las Palmas. (Not the same building, the original church burned down as I recall, and it was rebuilt).
The back of Musso and Frank's was a private club called The Writer's room, or something like that. I seem to remember that it had something to do with Johnny Depp. Again, I'm going purely from memory, so I could be mistaken.
The back of the building had some painted caricatures and graffiti. From what I've seen on Google Maps they've built an apartment building in the parking lot behind there in the years since I was there.

Here's an idea of where I think the Writer's Room nightclub was. I understand that Musso and Frank tried to rent back the space in recent years but couldn't make a deal.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1904bbff_b.jpg
Source: http://www.hhwnc.org/wp-content/uplo...-Documents.pdf

ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2021 6:13 PM

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We have seen Aldo's a few times on NLA but this slide is new to the thread.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/hBJXrq.jpg
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I see the dude on the right has been shopping at The House of Plaid.



Aldos was located between the Warners Theater and a Coffee Dan's on the north side of Hollywood Blvd. ...HossC has a good photograph Here

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ethereal_reality Apr 13, 2021 6:22 PM

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I believe this slide was also taken on Hollywood Blvd (I'm pretty sure I see stars on the sidewalk). . .but the exact corner is a mystery. (to me, anyway)


Does anyone remember George's Famous Doubleburgers?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/wvsVaZ.jpg
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Blue Period


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Martin Pal Apr 13, 2021 6:25 PM

:previous:

Street sign says Las Palmas Ave. -- and Hollywood Blvd.

Whether it's still in business or not the GSV currently shows the signs on it to be a chicken place called "Hot Motha Clucker."
The current GSV images on Hollywood Blvd. are a ghost town.

Martin Pal Apr 13, 2021 6:28 PM

Say it ain't so...

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wBiq...32279369.0.jpgReuters

News spread quickly last night about the fate of the Cinerama Dome, Arclight Cinemas, and Pacific Theatres. Decurion, the company that operates the theaters, says it will not reopen, even as LA County continues to relax coronavirus restrictions surrounding movie theaters this week. The closure is a massive blow to anyone itching to go back to watch movies in theaters, especially at the historic Cinerama Dome. Decurion’s announcement was quite a surprise.

“This was not the outcome anyone wanted, but despite a huge effort that exhausted all potential options, the company does not have a viable way forward,” the statement added.

Blaster Apr 13, 2021 8:12 PM

Hopefully, Netflix will buy it.

BillinGlendaleCA Apr 13, 2021 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9245603)
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mystery locations


A set of four slides from the Los Angeles Planning Department.



#2

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/H5BA85.jpg




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Glendale and Alvarado in the bottom center, the overpass at the top left is Sunset crossing Glendale.

BDiH Apr 14, 2021 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9247388)
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We have seen Aldo's a few times on NLA but this slide is new to the thread.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/hBJXrq.jpg
eBay

I see the dude on the right has been shopping at The House of Plaid.



Aldos was located between the Warners Theater and a Coffee Dan's on the north side of Hollywood Blvd. ...HossC has a good photograph Here

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Nice photo of Aldo's and the Boulevard. Aldo's served dishware with branding iron designs. It was a good old coffee shop, favorite of the D.J.'s from KFWB, "Color Radio." There were two Coffee Dan's on the Boulevard and one on Vine Street. I had forgotten that the Iris Theatre had already changed to the Fox by that time. I remember going to see "Psycho" there in 1960. Very popular film from the start. I went to a matinee and there was a line to get in. Notice the See's Candy on the S.E. corner, too.

HenryHuntington Apr 14, 2021 2:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9247405)
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I believe this slide was also taken on Hollywood Blvd (I'm pretty sure I see stars on the sidewalk). . .but the exact corner is a mystery. (to me, anyway)


Does anyone remember George's Famous Doubleburgers?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/wvsVaZ.jpg
eBay

Blue Period


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It's the NE corner of Hollywood Blvd. and Las Palmas Ave., e-r.

George's has been replaced by the Rusty Mullet at 6689 Hollywood Blvd. I need to revive my photo hosting arrangements, so apologies for not providing a screenshot.


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