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WS1911 Apr 14, 2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 6090989)
http://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/Orchid.jpg
GSV

Any history on The Orchid Karaoke Club building: 607 S. Oxford Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90005?

http://goo.gl/maps/OjkDe

As a start, it looks like one of many Security Trust & Savings Bank buildings that were built in this style in the 1920s.

SoCal1954 Apr 15, 2013 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6090386)


Yes, this is true; in fact, she and Anna, were quite a pair--and drove the guys wild at the clubs--on Alameda and Los Angeles St. in, Old Chinatown. :D

WS1911 Apr 15, 2013 1:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6090473)
I am intrigued by the 'Norconian Club' (center right). What kind of club is important enough to be listed on a map!?

A map sponsor willing to pay for their name to be listed on the map! Huell Howser did a great California's Gold episode on the Norconian resort a few years ago.

Thanks tovangar2, for your video links on the Norconian.

SoCal1954 Apr 15, 2013 1:52 AM

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Originally Posted by westcork (Post 6090979)
Simpson Building

Description: Diamond Shirt Co., Olvera Street Trading Post
Photo Date: late 1940's
http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/el_pue...27-SB-0002.jpg


Description: Soochow Restaurant, main facade, at the corner of Main Street and Sunset Boulevard
Photo Date: early 1950's
http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/el_pue...27-SB-0003.jpg

Description: Soochow Restaurant and Diamond Shirt Co. on Sunset Boulevard
Photo Date: August 21, 1958
http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/el_pue...27-SB-0009.jpg

All images courtesy of LAPL El Pueblo de Los Angeles Historical Monument Photo Archive



Great photos!! However, I cannot find Sunset Blvd. at Main St. on Google today? Were the streets reconfigured? I know, also, that this is not the same Soochow Restaurant, which was on N. Los Angeles St, next to Jerry's Joynt.

Soochow was the non-Pinyin, old transliteration/spelling of the beautiful city of Suzhou; similar to Tsingtao, which today is Qingdao.

tovangar2 Apr 15, 2013 2:14 AM

Brooklyn Ave Elementary (LAUSD schools are named for the street they're on and don't get their name changed even if the street's does) is at 4620 Chavez Ave out by Evergreen Cemetery. Macy St is now part of Chavez too.

tovangar2 Apr 15, 2013 2:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal1954 (Post 6091294)
Great photos!! However, I cannot find Sunset Blvd. at Main St. on Google today? Were the streets reconfigured?

Sunset used to come almost to the NW corner of the Plaza. It's been re-routed to the north and renamed Cesar Chavez Ave through that area connecting with the old Brooklyn Ave through East LA

WS1911 Apr 15, 2013 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal1954 (Post 6091294)
Great photos!! However, I cannot find Sunset Blvd. at Main St. on Google today? Were the streets reconfigured? I know, also, that this is not the same Soochow Restaurant, which was on N. Los Angeles St, next to Jerry's Joynt.

Soochow was the non-Pinyin, old transliteration/spelling of the beautiful city of Suzhou; similar to Tsingtao, which today is Qingdao.

Here's a shot from a 1949 Thomas Guide showing Sunset at that location. I've indicated Sunset in blue.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4...azamap1949.jpg

SoCal1954 Apr 15, 2013 3:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WS1911 (Post 6091328)
Here's a shot from a 1949 Thomas Guide showing Sunset at that location. I've indicated Sunset in blue.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4...azamap1949.jpg


Thanks, tovangar2 and WS1911!

This explains why I was so confused as to the location, looking at GSV!

As with most of this stuff, I liked it the way it was with the prior configuration.

Just as I liked, what [was] then N. Los Angeles St. :(

tovangar2 Apr 15, 2013 5:53 AM

A sunny day on the Nickel, where passive preservation rules. The last 100 years has not been altogether unkind to the buildings:

E 5th and San Julian, the belly of the beast:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_...938%2520PM.jpg

The back of the Panama Hotel, E 4th St:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...551%2520PM.jpg

The SC Dodge Building, just west of San Julian Park:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F...310%2520PM.jpg

Wall between E 5th and E 6th:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...243%2520AM.jpg

The Russ, south of E 5th on San Julian:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k...401%2520PM.jpg

417 E 5th:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W...753%2520PM.jpg

Wall and Winston:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...214%2520PM.jpg

Winston and Crocker:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...038%2520PM.jpg

5th and San Pedro:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g...251%2520PM.jpg

617 E 5th:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t...013%2520PM.jpg

E 5th and Crocker:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...242%2520PM.jpg

Crocker and E 6th:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R...508%2520PM.jpg

E 6th, just east of Crocker:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-j...753%2520PM.jpg

AlvaroLegido Apr 15, 2013 9:43 AM

The Plaza at last !
 
The Google Maps view on the Plaza was a mess until now. Tourists buses were hidding Pico House and the Plaza. The Brunswig and its neighbor were hidden by bad tarping for their renewal work.
Now everything is clean and beautiful for out of towners who want to feel like being there.

WS1911 Apr 15, 2013 8:04 PM

Looking for circa 1900 Photo of Simpson Building

Quote:

Originally Posted by westcork (Post 6090979)
Simpson Building

Description: Diamond Shirt Co., Olvera Street Trading Post
Photo Date: late 1940's
http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/el_pue...27-SB-0002.jpg

Description: Soochow Restaurant, main facade, at the corner of Main Street and Sunset Boulevard
Photo Date: early 1950's
http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/el_pue...27-SB-0003.jpg

All images courtesy of LAPL El Pueblo de Los Angeles Historical Monument Photo Archive

Does anyone have a good photo of the Simpson Building as it appeared circa 1895-1900? Would love to see the building when it was new.

MichaelRyerson Apr 15, 2013 8:19 PM

Not Main and Sunset but seems unlikely two restaurants so close to each other would have the same name (unless 'Soochow' is a generic name for a certain kind of cuisine or simply the bowdlerized version of 'Suzhou').



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8173/7...2ca9b4d3_o.jpg
Soochow Cafe, N. Los Angeles Street, Herman Schultheis, 1937


Two smartly dressed women pass the Soochow Cafe located at 504 N. Los Angeles Street in Old Chinatown. This is the only Soochow Restaurant I know and it's wedged next to Jerry's Joynt on Los Angeles Street.

LAPL


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7...dfd62db7_o.jpg
street scene old chinatown, los angeles (calif), circa 1940

Los Angeles Street at Ferguson Alley. Jerry's Joynt, the Soochow Restaurant, Lugo House, Terminal Annex and the tower at Union Station.

UCLA special collections/Los Angeles Times

MichaelRyerson Apr 15, 2013 8:26 PM

Since we're in that neighborhood thought I'd throw this old favorite up...
 
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8298/7...a61d66d8_o.jpg
Shoe store on N. Main Street, Herman Schultheis, 1937


A man stands in the doorway of this shoe repair shop, which belonged to Guadalupe Regalado, located at 426 North Main Street (part of the Pico House). Bilingual signs advertise half soles for 35 cents, and his first initial and last name are written "GREGALADO" on a boot shaped blade sign. Next door, ring boxes line the window of jeweler Juan Benitez, located at 424 N. Main which is part of the building that used to be the Merced Theater.

LAPL

tovangar2 Apr 15, 2013 11:08 PM

I noticed an odd little survivor from the late 19th century (?) recently. In the terrific 1952 photo below (taken from the top of City Hall) of the former Maier and Zobelein Brewery (Brew 102) one can see a bag company building beyond the brewery, across N Center Street (E Commercial St is on the right, the N Garey St on-ramp is in the foreground):

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4791713)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...614%2520PM.jpg
(detail)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...044%2520PM.jpg
usc digital archive(detail)

I've spent quite a bit of time in this area because the 400-year-old, giant sycamore, El Aliso, was sited in the wagon yard at the center of the brewery (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10490) immediately in front of the old hipped-roofed building in the center of the brewery complex:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e...506%2520PM.jpg
(detail)

The original brewery, built in 1889 on the site of Jean-Louis Vignes' 1837 El Aliso Winery (which in turn was built on the site of the Tongva village of Yangna), used to look like this view from circa 1900, after El Aliso was cut down in 1895. One can see what I think is the same hipped-roofed building, then with a lantern crowning it, smokestacks emerging from the corners of the roof. The wagon yard, former site of El Aliso, is in front:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v...414%2520AM.jpg
LAPL California Index (originally posted by e_r)

Anyway, the bag company building is still with us. One can see it here, beyond N Center St and the site of the brewery:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-C...925%2520PM.jpg
gsv

Two closer views from N Center St:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-g...535%2520AM.jpg
gvs

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I...415%2520AM.jpg
gvs

In this aerial, one can see the bag company building to the right (east), now the NW corner of a larger complex. The Maier & Zoebelein Brewery site is the vacant lot at center, where El Aliso once grew. The paved area to the left of that is the former brewery parking lot (compare with the first photo at the top of this post). The N Garey St on-ramp is at left. N Vignes Street forms a T-junction with E Commercial just left of center.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...442%2520PM.jpg
google maps

I sincerely hope the site of El Aliso is saved from redevelopment. After an archaeological excavation, this extremely historic location should be turned into a park with a suitable marker. Anybody want to help me do that? I don't know where to start.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b...400%2520PM.jpg
google maps

WS1911 Apr 15, 2013 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal1954 (Post 6091429)
Thanks, tovangar2 and WS1911!

This explains why I was so confused as to the location, looking at GSV!

As with most of this stuff, I liked it the way it was with the prior configuration.

Just as I liked, what [was] then N. Los Angeles St. :(


You can see the Simpson Building in this 1924 aerial shot. I’ve labeled the streets (hopefully I’m right with the street names.)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2...al1924rev2.jpg
LAPL (original image)

WS1911 Apr 15, 2013 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6092469)

I noticed an odd little survivor from the late 19th century recently. In the terrific 1952 photo below (taken from the top of City Hall) of the former Maier and Zobelein Brewery (Brew 102) one can see a bag company building beyond the brewery, across N Center Street (E Commercial St is on the right, the N Garey St on-ramp is in the foreground):

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...614%2520PM.jpg
(detail)

A great story on the bag company. I'm going to have to get over there and take a look. My favorite era in L.A. history is the late Victorian/Edwardian area, about 1870-1910.

I had to Google El Aliso. Are there any photos of it? I understand it was gone by about 1892.

tovangar2 Apr 15, 2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WS1911 (Post 6092518)
A great story on the bag company. I'm going to have to get over there and take a look. My favorite era in L.A. history is the late Victorian/Edwardian area, about 1870-1910.

I had to Google El Aliso. Are there any photos of it? I understand it was gone by about 1892.

A post on El Aliso is here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10490 with plenty of photos.


Can anyone make out the name of the bag company?:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...614%2520PM.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-g...535%2520AM.jpg

BTW, Marchessault was never Sunset. Sunset ended at N Main at the NW corner of the Plaza. Plaza St was at one time also known as Republic St. You've got Ferguson Alley misplaced, it continued on from Republic/Plaza St

MichaelRyerson Apr 15, 2013 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WS1911 (Post 6092504)
You can see the Simpson Building in this 1924 aerial shot. I’ve labeled the streets (hopefully I’m right with the street names.)

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1...zaaerial19.jpg
LAPL (original image)

Well, you've got Aliso Street marked as Ferguson Alley. Ferguson Alley runs off of Los Angeles Street directly across from the fire station at the head of Calle de los Negroes. And where is the Simpson Building in this shot. I love this pic, it's been one of my all time favorites but I'm not familiar with the Simpson Building.

tovangar2 Apr 16, 2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 6092533)
And where is the Simpson Building in this shot. I love this pic, it's been one of my all time favorites but I'm not familiar with the Simpson Building.

The Simpson is at the NW corner of the Plaza. Notice the Methodists had already demolished the Olvera Adobe (I think), but not built their church and conference center yet.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3...625%2520PM.jpg
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl..._(Page_2).html

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0...247%2520PM.jpg
gsv

MichaelRyerson Apr 16, 2013 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6092547)
The Simpson is at the NW corner of the Plaza. Notice the Methodists had already demolished the Olvera Adobe (I think), but not built their church and conference center yet.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0...247%2520PM.jpg
gsv


Thanks, who was 'Simpson'? Earlier this was the location of the court building. I've spent a lot of hours looking at this image. I suspected maybe it was on the west side of Olvera Street (by process of elimination, truly, I knew virtually every other building in the pic).


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