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Flyingwedge Nov 30, 2017 7:15 AM

Former Bank Building at 2201 N. Broadway
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6400768)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/706/5em3.jpg

bank at N. Broadway and Avenue 22. (I'm pretty sure we've seen it before, but i'm not certain)

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Here is the same building in January 2017. It housed a bank at least into the 1980s (Home Federal Savings installed
an ATM in 1983). To the right is 2205 N. Broadway:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psw5w5apnj.jpg

GSV


Here is 2201 N. Broadway, c. late 1910. There is a demo permit dated March 16, 1910, for a frame building at 2201 N. Broadway,
so the bank building must be very new in this photo. The architects were Otto H. Neher and C. F. Skilling. The small building next
door on the right, 2205 N. Broadway, is a little older. I'm not sure who designed it:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps24scril4.jpg

The Western Architect, Vol 17 No 1, January 1911 @ Hathitrust


A closer look at the entrance:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pshezwecqh.jpg

The Western Architect, Vol 17 No 1, January 1911 @ Hathitrust


The floorplan:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psfv9kvers.jpg

The Western Architect, Vol 17 No 1, January 1911 @ Hathitrust


The lobby:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psgybptzv8.jpg

The Western Architect, Vol 17 No 1, January 1911 @ Hathitrust


The 1911 LA City Directory tells us a little about the bank at 2201 N. Broadway:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psde0fmjuv.jpg

fold3.com


The 1906 Sanborn Map shows that the Federal Bank of Los Angeles was at 2205 N. Broadway (ex-Downey Avenue)
before 2201 was built, which is probably why it's in the first magazine photo above:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pspy2ab9i9.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL

hvllmn Nov 30, 2017 7:49 AM

Hello, I grew up in The Echo Park/ MacArthur Park Area and was wondering if anyone had any rare old photos of that area? I grew up near the corner of Beverly/Alvarado and Temple/Alvardo. If you know of any rare pictures please send them my way!

ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2017 7:56 AM

The Laughing Shooter
 
Murder Suspect Lloyd Smith, Held In Slaying Of Harriet Walke, Los Angeles [1935]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/rAyHmP.jpgebay

back of photo
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/RiL0yS.jpg



I found a few more newspaper clippings.

San Bernardino Sun, 15 October 1935
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/0QzJAi.jpg


Madera Tribune, 15 October 1935
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/nzUyzn.jpg




and last but not least

San Bernardino Sun, Volume 42, 18 October 1935
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/jhh0vn.jpg

There's a lot of confusion in these articles. The first has Harriet being shot by someone in a moving car,
the second has Harriet being shot by a man hiding in bushes, and the last one has her being thrown from a moving car. :shrug:

And did you notice Harriet's age? She goes from 20 yrs old...to 26 yrs old...to 29 yrs. old.

I hope someone can dig up additional information. I need some clarification.
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CityBoyDoug Nov 30, 2017 1:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8002688)
Murder Suspect Lloyd Smith, Held In Slaying Of Harriet Walke, Los Angeles [1935]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/rAyHmP.jpgebay


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Thanks Ethereal for the fascinating post but my brain hurts now trying to figure what the heck happened. Writers in the 1930s used words and phrases that are obsolete and no longer in use.

What was the motive and what happened to radio announcer Lloyd Smith? The whole sorry scene gets creepier with each newspaper story.:???: Yes, this tale needs a lot of further detail.

From 2009: More details
HOLLYWOOD, Oct. 14, 1935—(UP)—Police detectives searched through beer parlors and school houses of North Hollywood tonight, hunting for a "laughing murderer" whose sharp falsetto, accompanying the ping of a .22 caliber high-power bullet, was the only tangible clue in the weird killing of pretty Harriet Walke, 29-year-old actress and beauty contest winner, on Lankershim Boulevard last night at 9:00 p.m.

Two 13-year-old girls, only witnesses to the shooting, were unable to tell police whether the killer was a woman, a hysterical man or a boy.

Mrs. Walke was shot in the hip by someone in a brown coupe, as she stood by a roadside in North Hollywood last night, with two bottles of beer under her arm. The bullet severed an artery, and she bled to death on the way to a hospital.

The two tiny witnesses, Jean Clark and Ruth Clinesmith, saw the car whisk up to the curb, heard the sharp crack of a gun and heard someone in the car break into shrill laughter as the car roared out on the highway again. An instant later they saw the woman slump into the gutter. Mrs. May Moon, the first person to reach her, said Mrs. Walke’s last words were, “I don’t know who did it.”

Lloyd Smith, radio announcer and companion of the actress, told police he and Mrs. Walke, estranged wife of Norman Walke, veteran cowboy actor, had visited Smith's estranged wife earlier in the day. (She and Walke had been estranged for four years.)

They talked over "in a friendly way" the possibility of Smith and Mrs. Walke marrying as soon as both received final decrees of divorce.

Mrs. Walke and Smith returned to their apartment at the Elmo Hotel later in the evening, and she went to the market to buy beer. At the time of the shooting, Smith said he was purchasing groceries.

Mr. Walke reportedly was at Big Bear Lake, about 100 miles from Los Angeles, on location with a film company.

Police questioned habitues of a North Hollywood beer parlor, which Mrs. Walke frequented while Smith was away for several weeks on construction work at the Colorado River aqueduct.

They said they were working on a theory "a jealous woman" may have shot the actress. Belief that schoolboys attempting a youthful holdup might be responsible for the shooting sent detectives scurrying among schoolchildren in an effort to run down leads.

Mrs. Walke was taken to the Van Nuys Receiving Hospital, where she was pronounced dead. The only wound was a small bullet wound to the left hip.

HOLLYWOOD, Oct. 15.—(UP)—A woman eye-witness, who saw a man step out from the shadows of a hedge at the minute Mrs. Harriet Walke, 29, film studio "stand-in" for actress Marian Nixon, was shot to death, sent police on a new search today. The witness was Mrs. Thomas Bryant, whose story, brought out for the first time, puzzled authorities more than ever in their investigation of the North Hollywood slaying.

THEORY DOUBTED

Mrs. Bryant's story led police to doubt their first theory that Mrs. Walker was shot from an automobile, which sped away while a shout of laughter rang out.

Startled al hearing a woman's scream, Mrs. Bryant looked from her front window, she said, and saw Mrs. Walke run past.

"I saw a shadowy figure of a man step from behind the hedge on the corner, I heard two shots, and then the woman fell," she related, "The shadowy figure ducked, into the hedge and disappeared.

"An instant later, a small car came down the street, swung over to where the woman was lying, paused for a second or so, and drove on.

"It looked as though the occupants of the car had started to help the woman, and then had become frightened and left."

STORIES CONFLICT

Her story that the automobile did not reach the scene until after the shooting conflicted with that of Ruth Clinesmith, 14, and Jean Clark, 13, schoolgirls. Police planned to re-question the girls today. The girls saw Mrs. Walke in a large market, and she left shortly after they did.

Running down the mystery car angle, police learned names of the roadster's original owner and the man to whom he sold it, and planned to question them also.

Police were divided between two theories—that Mrs. Walke was marked by a "revenge" murderer, who pumped a bullet at her from the passing auto, or that she was shot by a nervous bandit who stepped out from behind the hedge. A .22 calibre bullet struck the woman's hip, severing an artery, and she bled to death.

Walke lived at the Elmo Hotel in North Hollywood.

Tourmaline Nov 30, 2017 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hvllmn (Post 8002686)
Hello, I grew up in The Echo Park/ MacArthur Park Area and was wondering if anyone had any rare old photos of that area? I grew up near the corner of Beverly/Alvarado and Temple/Alvardo. If you know of any rare pictures please send them my way!



Rare pictures? :hmmm:

Broadly speaking, we've visited those areas several times. See, e.g. http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=42253 http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=30635

GaylordWilshire Nov 30, 2017 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7997936)



Seems noir goes with banks almost as much as it does with bars...


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/O8...A=w870-h647-no
LAT March 18, 1933


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/du...=w1003-h588-no
GSV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8002677)


Here is 2201 N. Broadway, c. late 1910. There is a demo permit dated March 16, 1910, for a frame building at 2201 N. Broadway,
so the bank building must be very new in this photo. The architects were Otto H. Neher and C. F. Skilling. The small building next
door on the right, 2205 N. Broadway, is a little older. I'm not sure who designed it:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...4.jpg~original

The Western Architect, Vol 17 No 1, January 1911 @ Hathitrust




Looks like the architect was actually Franklin Pierce Burnham, with Neher & Skilling supervising after Burnham dropped dead on Dec 16, 1909. This image is from the Herald of Oct 21, 1910--the accompanying article--full of architectural detail--has Burnham as "W. G. Burnham."


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Y_...8=w995-h647-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ok...M=w503-h647-no



The BP lists it at 2201 Downey...note that "Neher" appears to have been erased and Burnham's name written instead.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aj...g=w656-h544-no
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bg...A=w656-h545-no

ProphetM Nov 30, 2017 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8002640)
Last Friday I posted this photograph of the Tyre Bros. Glass Company. [31st and San Pedro St.]

I didn't realize at that time that the building was still standing. (shown below)

1931
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/H96uHL.jpg


TODAY
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/o7ih40.jpg
usc digital archives / gsv


We came very close to this spot back in June of 2016 HERE and a follow up HERE





AND remember this 'accident' chalkboard (from last Fri. as well)

I'm still confused about the curved P.E. tracks.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/OJBVy4.jpg
Pacific Indemnity for Tyre Bros. Glass Co. dp.la



I placed a dotted red line where I think the curved tracks used to be.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/ZtqhGu.png

This makes me wonder if the Tyre Glass Company also owned buildings across San Pedro St.....closer to the curved tracks.
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If you take a look at the building on the south corner of 30th & San Pedro, it also has a back corner cut off at an angle. I think that your dotted line as it crosses 30th is a spur, and that there was also track coming out onto 30th, and then crossing San Pedro into that alley on the north side of the Tyre Glass building. This would match the chalkboard drawing. In fact if you look at modern aerials you can see that alley line extending east all the way to existing railroad lines at Long Beach Ave.

BifRayRock Nov 30, 2017 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 8002668)
The County of LA bought a fleet of Vegas for some of their lower division employees to use. At the time I had a friend who worked for the county as a line mechanic in their downtown garage. I had just purchased a used 74 Vega USPS panel truck from the Huntington beach Post Office simply because I love the look. While questioning my sanity he did comment that he had observed that the Vegas that seemed to require the fewest repairs were those that were thrashed by their assigned drivers.

A couple of years later I swapped out the '74 front end for a '77, and the same friend, all the while muttering that some people had strange dreams, replaced the in-line four cylinder with a Buick V6 and 350 Turbo Hydro. I then added 15 x 8 inch Centerline wheels and performance tires. The 4-cylinder went on for a couple of more years in another Vega owned by a neighbor so I can only surmise that it was duly thrashed in postal service.

I still own my Vega.






Your modded version reflects GM's remedial thinking with obvious improvements that included ditching the original problematic engine, in favor of more traditional, if not more workable and reliable, alternatives.;)

To be fair to the marque, simple attrition has whittled down most original '70s and '80s daily drivers (and earlier decades). The Vega may have had a head start, but there are fewer and fewer Gremlins, Pintos or even Toyota Coronas and Celicas and Datsun 510s routinely seen on the roads. Same logic applies to '36 Fords, fedoras and dingbats.:P


Quote:

One of the lights on the staircase leading to the Rampart Boulevard (background) entrance of the Bryson apartment building, located at 2701 Wilshire Boulevard.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090075.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090075.jpg




A Vega derivative, circa '78.
https://i0.wp.com/hooniverse.com/wp-...-001.jpg?w=720https://i0.wp.com/hooniverse.com/wp-...-001.jpg?w=720



Pinto wagon, Mazda RX4 (?), VW Rabbit
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090028.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090028.jpg




http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090005.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090005.jpg










Flyingwedge Nov 30, 2017 6:50 PM

2201 N Broadway
 
Hey I'm sorry I forgot about your post from 3 whole days before, GW. When I searched the thread for that building,
e_r's old post was the only one that turned up. At least now we know all about that bank!

GaylordWilshire Nov 30, 2017 10:44 PM

:previous:


No problem FW-- the more info the better. I think we do now have the building well covered!

Martin Pal Nov 30, 2017 11:19 PM

We've seen several photos of Norm's Coffee Shop on La Cienega Blvd. before, but I thought I'd post this somewhat different look at the ol' place:

https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...fR47fXOg/o.jpgYelp

Martin Pal Nov 30, 2017 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 8003292)
One of the lights on the staircase leading to the Rampart Boulevard (background) entrance of the Bryson apartment building, located at 2701 Wilshire Boulevard.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090075.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090075.jpg


The above street light reminded me somewhat of the current street lights in West Hollywood; these are at 8857 Santa Monica Blvd.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Street-Sc...%20Blvd-X2.jpgPanoramio

Tourmaline Dec 1, 2017 12:35 AM

If we've discussed this, I can't recall.:shrug:

1928 Long Beach hosted the Pacific Southwest Exposition. The Exposition was launched to commemorate the landing of the Spanish padres and the founding of California. The Exposition buildings, designed by architect Hugh R. Davies, were modeled on North Africa's walled cities. It looks like the exhibits and quasi-related entertainment were quite extensive.




http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077394.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077394.jpg





Gov. Young presents his admission ticket
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077395.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077395.jpg




http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077386.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077386.jpg




http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077319.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077319.jpg



http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077492.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077492.jpg



http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077382.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077382.jpg



2300 Pacific Avenue - A drawbridge over a dry, southwestern, yard leads to the George Gunther Real Estate castle during the 1928 Pacific Southwest Exposition in Long Beach.
https://calisphere.org/crop/999x999/...ad6212a1e8e1efhttps://calisphere.org/crop/999x999/...ad6212a1e8e1ef




Hole digging
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077519.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077519.jpg



Sand dancing
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077316.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077316.jpg



Related parade
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077542.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077542.jpg


Boat on a float
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077507.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077507.jpg



Female Pirates
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077533.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077533.jpg




Shiver me timbers
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077537.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077537.jpg



Plank walking
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077530.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077530.jpg




Viking invaders! (Perhaps more significant than this Viking ship are the sailing ships in the distance. They raise the question of why Charles Ray, of Miles Standish and Mayflower fame, could not have secured the service of any such vessels for making his 1923 epic, rather than build his own uber-expensive studio mock-up? :shrug: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=32592 )

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077414.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077414.jpg




Norsemen
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077412.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077412.jpg




http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077510.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077510.jpg



Bathing beauties
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077503.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077503.jpg



Native Americans
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077406.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077406.jpg



http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077500.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077500.jpg



Kelp jumping?
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077400.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077400.jpg

John Maddox Roberts Dec 1, 2017 2:50 AM

Now, any such exposition would be seen as an offense to Native Americans. And who jumps rope (or kelp) in high heels?

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2017 4:14 AM

I appreciate the additional information on the Harriet Walke murder CBD. [1935]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug
Walke lived at the Elmo Hotel in North Hollywood.

Does anyone know the address of the Elmo Hotel in N. Hollywood?
My google results always lead me to the St. Elmo Hotel in downtown Los Angeles at 343 N. Main.
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ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2017 4:55 AM

re: Deciphering the blackboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 8003216)
If you take a look at the building on the south corner of 30th & San Pedro, it also has a back corner cut off at an angle.

I see what you're talking about PM. I hadn't noticed that earlier.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/nyIIRp.jpg
google_detail

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM
I think that your dotted line as it crosses 30th is a spur, and that there was also track coming out onto 30th, and then crossing San Pedro into that alley on the north side of the Tyre Glass building. This would match the chalkboard drawing. In fact if you look at modern aerials you can see that alley line extending east all the way to existing railroad lines at Long Beach Ave.


I added a blue dotted line to denote your curve.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/tbVl7t.png
google_aerial



turned sideways this time
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/AhQha0.jpg

You're correct ProphetM :)

I should have figured it out by simply looking at the street layout. (sometimes I don't see the obvious. ;)
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BillinGlendaleCA Dec 1, 2017 8:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7992194)
re: GW's tunnel :previous:

It looks a bit smaller than the other tunnels around town and I believe those are raised rail tracks with weeds near the tunnel portal.


This is a long shot. I wonder if it was the r.r. tunnel at the end of Ducommun St. that angles trains over to Union Station.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/dxD5qa.jpg
gsv

of course it doesn't look anything like it did in 1950.



here's an aerial to get your bearings.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/nXBhSh.jpg
google_earth

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That tunnel is for the Red Line to get their trains from Union Station to their maintenance facility at Santa Fe and 4th. I've heard there's a proposal to extend the Red Line through this tunnel to a stop in the Art District.

HossC Dec 1, 2017 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8004187)

I see what you're talking about ProphetM. I hadn't noticed that earlier.

I added a blue dotted line to denote your curve.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/tbVl7t.png
google_aerial

The main track went along the continuation of 30th Street. This detail from the 1910 Baist map shows the spur terminating at the corner of 29th and San Pedro (San Pedro is the vertical street just right of center).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com

The spur had changed direction and size by 1921, but still never crossed 29th Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com

Finally, here's part of a 1927 aerial view. It's Flight ID: C-113, Frame: 271, Date: August 2, 1927.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
mil.library.ucsb.edu

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2017 3:50 PM

:previous: The maps are so great Hoss!

They clearly show what I was trying to figure out for over a week.

We sure miss you on the thread. How's your other project going?

Bruce

Tourmaline Dec 1, 2017 5:08 PM

Good times - until they stop being good.


'64 (This is evidently at the soon-to-be new location at 8400 Reseda Blvd (near intersection of Roscoe and Reseda)).
http://78.media.tumblr.com/b563804c9...xvpo1_1280.jpghttp://78.media.tumblr.com/b563804c9...xvpo1_1280.jpg


Let the good times roll. (For the most casual, friendly and active customers in America. :) )
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/qTAQKp.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/qTAQKp.jpg



8400 Reseda - after the dealership stopped using location.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n95x96rq5B...120_134226.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n95x96rq5B...120_134226.jpg




http://vintagemotorssarasota.com/wp-...4.11.16-19.jpghttp://vintagemotorssarasota.com/wp-...4.11.16-19.jpg


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