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Martin Pal Aug 17, 2017 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7895757)
I believe this amazing photograph from 1930 is new to NLA. (I could be wrong of course :))


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/7xqyGG.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/...f1b05e54_o.jpg


The police station in the photograph was located at 1629 Cahuenga Avenue, just north of Selma Avenue. It shared the building with the fire department.
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^^^
Detective Bureau
Police Woman


Police Woman?

HossC Aug 17, 2017 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7895787)

This pic might be new (to NLA) too.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/p5y9Dh.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/159737118008904716/

A group of Los Angeles policemen walking at an undisclosed location. (1950s?)

I think that this photo may show Lincoln, Nebraska as it's on www.lincoln.ne.gov with this caption:
1958

A group of night beat officers leaving the station to hit the streets.
From left to right: Warren Chrastil, Harry Peterson, B. Dean Leitner, Sgt. Bobbie Myers, Alfred Kelly and Robert Edmunds.
It's only the pinterest posts which link it to Los Angeles.

BTW e_r, it was GW who recommended 'Above Suspicion', not me.

CityBoyDoug Aug 17, 2017 7:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7896128)
I think that this photo may show Lincoln, Nebraska as it's on www.lincoln.ne.gov with this caption:
1958

A group of night beat officers leaving the station to hit the streets.
From left to right: Warren Chrastil, Harry Peterson, B. Dean Leitner, Sgt. Bobbie Myers, Alfred Kelly and Robert Edmunds.
It's only the pinterest posts which link it to Los Angeles.

BTW e_r, it was GW who recommended 'Above Suspicion', not me.

Yes.....look at the long coats and the winter dirt on the car. I doubt this is LA.

tovangar2 Aug 17, 2017 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7893095)
I want to show you this rather dreamy photograph of the old Forthmann Carriage House.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/ePIOb3.jpg
flickr


Does anyone in L.A. know the status of the restoration?


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Ithyle Griffiths very kindly emailed that currently blueprints are being considered by LADBS, Angelino Heights HPOZ and the Office of Historic Resources. Also financing is being worked out. The carriage house, for now, is secured against weather & vandals. When work starts it will be documented online.

oldstuff Aug 17, 2017 9:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7893095)
I want to show you this rather dreamy photograph of the old Forthmann Carriage House.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/ePIOb3.jpg
flickr

The photographer, J. Jakobson, used film rather than digital. A Fujica ST705w SLR on expired cross-processed Agfachrome RS1000 slide film @iso50.
but he doesn't mention when he took his photo (it was uploaded to flickr relatively recent, on May 10, 2017)


The last time the carriage house made an appearance on NLA was three years ago. (Tetsu's post shown below)

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re: the dreamlike photo:

I'm guessing the Jakobson photo was taken soon after it was moved to the new location.
the photo made me curious the restoration. Is the carriage house still on stilts? -has that first floor been built?


It isn't clear in the google street views.

In this 2011 view the carriage house appears to be raised on stilts (the carriage house is obscured in the later street views)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/SS5Lij.jpg
gsv



In this more recent view from the alley, it looks like there might be a first floor. -it's hard to tell because of that mound of dirt.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/KThi6M.jpg

Mr. Jakobson writes "it is currently owned and in the process of restoration by Ithyle Griffiths and Angela Kohler."

Does anyone in L.A. know the status of the restoration?
(could you look and see if you find yourself in Angelino Heights :))

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I went by there early in the week in the afternoon, again the next afternoon and this morning before it was light,and looked from both the street side and the alley side. The views of the property are the same as you see from Google Street View

odinthor Aug 17, 2017 10:00 PM

I'm trying to work out a location detail from L.A. history, and hope that those more familiar than I with the area between the San Gabriel River and, say, Boyle Heights will be able to express in today's terms some close approximation to the routes taken, as expressed in the excerpt below, by the Californio forces and the Yankee forces between the battle at Paso de Bartolo and the battle called the Battle de las Lagunas alias the Mesa battle. In particular, where specifically is Cañada de los Alisos?:

It's 1847. After the battle at Paso de Bartolo, "Flores, with a few people who kept together [the other Californios had dispersed], went up a hill where the field hospital was to stay that night and summon the scattered forces. That’s where we were that night; and already the next morning some of those who had scattered had returned. We kept our eye on the enemy, which had struck camp and was heading towards Los Angeles—not by the road that led to where we were in the hills, but rather by the flatland. We went down on the other side of the hills until we got to the Cañada de los Alisos—a gully with water—where we had lunch […]. It was there that we agreed to make one more try against the enemy, and to place the forces along a bluff at a point where the Los Angeles road passes, and to surprise the enemy from there. Once again, our plans were frustrated: The Commodore and his army, in their trajectory from the Paso de Bartolo to the ponds did not go by the road, instead going along the flatland about two or three miles off the road” (from Narciso Botello's Annals), and so they issued forth from the Cañada de los Alisos to meet the enemy at the site of the Battle de las Lagunas.

Going by today's roads, what route did the Californios take, what route did the Yankees take, and where was that gol-darned gully with water, the Cañada de los Alisos? :shrug:

Downtownkid Aug 17, 2017 10:28 PM

reply
 
The Rio Hondo river and Beverly Blvd on the west side of the river is a small plaque about the battle fought there maybe this the water they are talking about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rio_San_Gabriel. I took the goggle mobile to that location and the plaque and the cannon are now gone. There is a state park called pio pico house the old governors house on Whittier blvd and just east of the Rio Hondo river. Some organization still support that house- they may have more detailed information that you are looking for. Google Pio Pico state park for more data.

Downtownkid Aug 17, 2017 11:23 PM

Marano beach
 
Now that I think back it could be a place that was popular with Latinos in the 40s called Marano (Mexican slang for pig) Beach, a beach like area in Pico Rivera next to the Rio Hondo River (NKA Whittier Narrows), a tributary of the San Gabriel River. This place was popular then with the Mexicans. I don’t know why it was called Marano Beach because it was a nice place next to the river. Maybe there was a pig farm nearby at one time or the beach is muddy. There was a large body of water there and people would go swimming there and have picnic too.

Downtownkid Aug 18, 2017 9:28 AM

http://ibb.co/gYjJuvhttps://ibb.co/gYjJuv
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Originally Posted by Downtownkid (Post 7896447)
Now that I think back it could be a place that was popular with Latinos in the 40s called Marano (Mexican slang for pig) Beach, a beach like area in Pico Rivera next to the Rio Hondo River (NKA Whittier Narrows), a tributary of the San Gabriel River. This place was popular then with the Mexicans. I don’t know why it was called Marano Beach because it was a nice place next to the river. Maybe there was a pig farm nearby at one time or the beach is muddy. There was a large body of water there and people would go swimming there and have picnic too.

I have a lot of photos my dad took with a box camera in 1925. here is one of them it's on sunset Bldg. between Broadway and Hill street camera facing west.https://ibb.co/gYjJuv I don't know why the photo does not appear

HossC Aug 18, 2017 11:31 AM

:previous:

I think the way that your image host wants you to do it is click on "Embed codes" and copy the code in the "BBCode" box under "Full image (linked)". Then you can just paste the code straight into the NLA reply window (don't use the "Insert Image" button).

https://preview.ibb.co/n4XhMa/Cars_p...unset_blvd.jpg

Although that's meant to give the full image, I clicked the little button with the down arrow immediately to the left of the "Like" button and got the image displayed at full size. I then copied the address at the top of the screen (the one ending .jpg) and pasted it into the NLA reply window using the "Insert Image" button. Using this method, the image shows up slightly larger.

https://image.ibb.co/g2sSnF/Cars_parked_sunset_blvd.jpg

Send me a PM if you want any more help.

ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2017 4:05 PM

:previous: Such a fantastic photograph!


Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7896128)
BTW e_r, it was GW who recommended 'Above Suspicion', not me.

oops! Sorry about that GW.
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/9B8PBJ.jpgdetail / 1930

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7895913)
:previous:
Detective Bureau
Police Woman

Police Woman?

This is odd. -so I take it there was only one (police woman) at that location? :shrug:



Here's another pic of the same station in 1924 (this pic might be a repeat)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/d6NnTz.jpg
Water and Power Associates

-so what's that hotel on the far left?
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ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2017 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7896172)
Ithyle Griffiths very kindly emailed that currently blueprints are being considered by LADBS, Angelino Heights HPOZ and the Office of Historic Resources. Also financing is being worked out. The carriage house, for now, is secured against weather & vandals. When work starts it will be documented online.

So glad the renovation process will be online.. Thanks t2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 7896295)
I went by the Forthmann carriage house early in the week in the afternoon, again the next afternoon and this morning before it was light,and looked from both the street side and the alley side. The views of the property are the same as you see from Google Street View

Thanks for scoping it out. I appreciate it oldstuff.
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Moving the carriage house. March 27, 2006

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/otICiO.jpg
http://www.tracystonearchitect.com/res_forthmann.html


to see the planned interiors go here:
Tracy Stone

HossC Aug 18, 2017 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7897076)

Here's another pic of the same station in 1924 (this pic might be a repeat)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/d6NnTz.jpg
Water and Power Associates

-so what's that hotel on the far left?

I think that's the 1922 Hotel Selma at 1619 Cahuenga Avenue, built one year before the fire/police building. There's no demo permit listed in the building records for 1619, so I assume that this is the same building. The hotel part on the left is now the Hotel West Inn.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV

ethereal_reality Aug 18, 2017 5:11 PM

:previous: I think you're right Hoss...both pics have the side window in the exact same spot.


ProphetM, thanks so much for sharing your personal photographs of the Oaklawn Bridge. So many details I hadn't noticed before.
& I loved the river-stone benches.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM
Pacific Electric waiting station,now a bus stop. (Fair Oaks Ave.)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YQ...jKsePwHw=w1000

Did you know there's a matching gateway by Greene & Greene on the other end of Oaklawn Ave at Columbia Street-




East Side Portal

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/dqR9Ld.jpg


(circled below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/y597Ml.jpg
google_earth

Oaklawn Bridge lower right (red line)
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Downtownkid Aug 18, 2017 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Downtownkid (Post 7896793)
http://ibb.co/gYjJuvhttps://ibb.co/gYjJuv

I have a lot of photos my dad took with a box camera in 1925. here is one of them it's on Sunset Blvd. between Broadway and Hill street camera facing west.https://ibb.co/gYjJuv I don't know why the photo does not appear

https://ibb.co/gYjJuv

oldstuff Aug 18, 2017 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7897199)
:previous: I think you're right Hoss...both pics have the side window in the exact same spot.


ProphetM, thanks so much for sharing your personal photographs of the Oaklawn Bridge. So many details I hadn't noticed before.
& I loved the river-stone benches.


Did you know there's a matching gateway by Greene & Greene on the other end of Oaklawn Ave at Columbia Street-




East Side Portal

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/dqR9Ld.jpg


(circled below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/y597Ml.jpg
google_earth

Oaklawn Bridge lower right (red line)
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There are some beautiful clinkerbrick and stone gates on either side of Prospect at Orange Grove, just up from the Gamble House. Down Prospect is also a Frank Lloyd Wright house, back on Prospect Crescent, tucked in behind the houses on Prospect

Downtownkid Aug 19, 2017 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Downtownkid (Post 7897237)

https://preview.ibb.co/n4XhMa/Cars_p...unset_blvd.jpg
1924 photo taken by my dad -Sunset Blvd between north Broadway and hill camera facing west, The hill to the left is Bunker Hill. The sign on top of the building is a Coca Cola ad.

https://preview.ibb.co/kfVRz5/scan0002.jpg


Google "fort moore hill sunset blvd and hill pl photo" will give you an opposite view. I did not post the photo cause it's a Pinterest photo and I don't know the photo author's name.

CityBoyDoug Aug 19, 2017 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Downtownkid (Post 7897703)
https://preview.ibb.co/n4XhMa/Cars_p...unset_blvd.jpg
1924 photo taken by my dad -Sunset Blvd between north Broadway and hill camera facing west, The hill to the left is Bunker Hill. The sign on top of the building is a Coca Cola ad.

Those old cars were so vulnerable to crash damage. My grandfather had big accident in old car like that....he was out with two women, not his wife [who was at home with my mom....then one year old].

Flyingwedge Aug 19, 2017 4:57 AM

41 Westmoreland Place
 
GW, what can you tell us about E. P. Bryan's home at 41 Westmoreland Place? It was on the NW corner of what
is now Westmoreland Avenue and 11th Street, just east of Vermont, right? On the 1907 Sanborn below, what is
now 11th Street (then also called Westmoreland Place) is on the bottom:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psywi3hmno.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL


Here is architect Charles Whittlesey's now-demolished 41 Westmoreland Place from 11th Street, c. November 1910:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original

UCLA/Islandora/SeeingSunset

If you go to the photo at the link, you'll see some backwards writing at the very bottom of the image, which I cut off
because it's just more street. Anyway, the writing says, "One of our Beautiful Homes."


Here's a closer look at the right half. At lower right, we see a slanted corner that is similar to the sloped corners Whittlesey
used on the Alfred Glassel home. Was Whittlesey the only one to do that?:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...8.jpg~original


This is a closer look at the left half. It's too bad we can't see the carriage house in back:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original


I believe this c. 1911 postcard looks east on what is now 11th Street:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original

PC-001-877 @ SDSU/John and Jane Adams Postcard Collection

HossC Aug 19, 2017 9:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Downtownkid (Post 7897703)

https://preview.ibb.co/n4XhMa/Cars_p...unset_blvd.jpg
1924 photo taken by my dad -Sunset Blvd between north Broadway and hill camera facing west, The hill to the left is Bunker Hill. The sign on top of the building is a Coca Cola ad.

Google "fort moore hill sunset blvd and hill pl photo" will give you an opposite view. I did not post the photo cause it's a Pinterest photo and I don't know the photo author's name.

The photo you're referring to is actually an LAPL image which MichaelRyerson posted just over a year ago. With regard to posting other people's pictures, the general rule here is to make sure you properly attribute the source of the photo, so if you found it on pinterest, include a link to the pinterest image/page.

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7384101)

The N. Hill Street Auto Club building was a much more modest structure albeit also camera-shy. Here's a shot of it looking up, at Fort Moore Hill, from Sunset Boulevard and N. Hill Street (north of Sunset)...

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8174/...19774b07_b.jpgSunset Boulevard at Hill Street, 1925

In the archive as 'Sunset Boulevard looking south at Hill Place and Fort Moore Hill.' Strictly speaking, there was no 'Hill Place' in 1925. This would pre-date Hill Street moving over and assuming the roadbed of Castelar north of Sunset and what had been Hill Street where it angled down off of Fort Moore Hill crossed Sunset and continued to a terminus at Alpine Street. This section of Hill Street ultimately became Hill Place but not before Castelar had been renamed Hill Street. Certainly not in 1925. Immediately on the right we have is the apartment building at 560 N. Hill Street backing to Sunset Boulevard. Up there on Hill Street where it makes it's turn to run parallel to Sunset, sporting the Coca Cola adverts, is the old Auto Club Building at 546 N Hill Street (and just beyond it, to the right, is the back of Mary Hollister Banning's carriage house). The Auto Club occupied this building briefly starting in about 1918-19 and moving into their big headquarters building on S Figueroa by 1923.

LAPL



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