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ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 11:03 PM

About a month ago I found an impressive set of twelve sepia photographs of various buildings in Los Angeles.
[all the photographs are dated 1925]

Each photograph is stamped on the back with...

"Photo by
Albert E. Cawood
(Phone: ROchester 8391)"

Other than that, there's no additional information.

I'll start with this one.


#1
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/HQbXmq.jpg
eBay




If you look closely at the reflection in the window, you get a glimpse of the buildings across the street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/JI5kek.jpg
detail

"Coast Machinery Corporation"

The street number(s) is 464-6 in the upper right hand corner of the window (for some reason it looks like 164-6 above the front door)
The street is unknown.


Here's the stamp on back.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/1L57A9.jpg
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I found out Albert Cawood was living at 526 E. 6th Street in 1925/26 (shown below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/v0iDDh.jpg
lapl


Here's the building today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/4eDtbt.jpg
GSV

Hotel Norbo, I'm not sure what it was called back in the 1920s.

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ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 11:10 PM

Building #2

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/4qfcCI.jpg
eBay

"Children's Furniture & Toy Co., 1271 (street unknown)
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...more to come tomorrow.

Flyingwedge Aug 7, 2016 11:33 PM

932 and 936 S. Hope
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7402794)
'mystery' photograph.

The only information with this photo is "932. S. Hope St., Los Angeles, 1922"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/WQg97A.jpg
http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...t/laviews%3A92

Does anyone know what building this is/was?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6933273)
Here's a close-up of Charlie Root.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...harlieRoot.jpg
Detail of picture in Huntington Digital Library

The picture was a publicity photograph for Walter M Murphy Motors Company. Here's their advert from the 1926 CD, showing their Hudson-Essex dealership was at 932 S Hope Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rphyMotors.jpg
LAPL

More info on 932 and 936 S. Hope was provided by Odinthor here and here. And of course Charlie Root is known
for having thrown the pitch that Babe Ruth hit for his "called shot" home run in the 1932 World Series.


This photo of 932 S. Hope is dated 1922; the 1921 and 1922 LACDs show Murphy at that address. Although the building
below matches the one in e_r's photo, it does not match the one in the 1925 newspaper article from Odinthor's post:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...o.jpg~original
UCLA


This December 13, 1930, building permit is just for the sprinkler system, but it explains the conversion of the building from
a garage to a store for cash registers. It seems 932 Hope was renumbered 936 Hope at this time:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...g.jpg~original
LADBS


This is the NCR building at 936 S. Hope, where the garage(s) had been. The CA State Library dates this photo and the next
three at c. 1923-33, but I'll say they are c. 1932. This photo looks south down Hope; the tower at right is one of the two for
KFI's "hammock" antenna:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original
CA State Library


This looks north up Hope Street:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...h.jpg~original
CA State Library


The building permit for the coin-inspired marquise over the entrance is dated January 7, 1931:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
LADBS


Here's a closer look at the entrance:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...b.jpg~original
CA State Library


It looked nice inside, too:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...y.jpg~original
CA State Library


In this c. 1938 photo, you can see the south end of the NCR building, how the building next door ("Pennzoil") had been
remodeled (compare with the first CA State Library photo above), as well as KFI's other tower from down the block,
across Olympic:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original
00012879 @ LAPL


The 900 block of S. Hope Street flooded on March 15, 1952:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...q.jpg~original
EXM-N-9509-016~8 @ USCDL

The demo permit for 936 S. Hope is dated October 8, 1985.

Beaudry Aug 8, 2016 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7524397)


#1
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/HQbXmq.jpg
eBay




"Coast Machinery Corporation"

The street number(s) is 464-6 in the upper right hand corner of the window (for some reason it looks like 164-6 above the front door)
The street is unknown.

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464 E 3rd...

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8361/2...c604f58b_o.png

...is barely perceptible, with her parapet lopped off, and 2/5 of her windows filled in, and what's been done to the entry. The red brick building to the west has fared alright, though.

HossC Aug 8, 2016 9:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7524398)

Building #2

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/4qfcCI.jpg
eBay

"Children's Furniture & Toy Co., 1271 (street unknown)

This is 1271 E 6th Street. I only found the Children's Furniture & Toy Co there in the 1928 CD. There are new construction permits for 1911 and 1913. The 1915 CD lists Marston & Martin, fruit brokers at that address. For a few years around 1920 it was a confectionery supplier named Marston Greening. In 1926 it was the Rockford and Pacific Furniture Association, and had already changed to a furniture wholesaler named Leslie B Newman & Co by 1929. The demo permits are dated 1979. Today it's just an empty lot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Furniture1.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Aug 8, 2016 3:01 PM

Uncle Herman's Meat Market, Long Beach Calif.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/qIAsfK.jpg
eBay


One thing that stands out are the handwritten numbers along the bottom of Uncle Herman's counter.
It makes me wonder if his roots were in Germany, because they remind me of "German Expressionism".

And one other detail....the photograph must have been taken during Christmas time.



Here's the information that was included on the reverse.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/XwroF8.jpg

I just noticed he was born in Colorado......so there goes my German theory. lol

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Thanks guys for locating the first two sepia photographs Beaudry & HossC. It's much appreciated.:)
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ethereal_reality Aug 8, 2016 3:41 PM

re: National Cash Register, Los Angeles

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge
the coin-inspired marquise over the entrance, 1931

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/JUIzBy.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TPU6CLD4Q8.jpg

Thanks for pointing out the COIN-shaped marquee FW, I'm not sure I would have noticed that it's a HUGE coin.
I mean...come on, how utterly cool is this marquee folks.



I have a question about the photograph of the lobby.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/dVgRDZ.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YB72PTDML5.jpg




Are these spittoons?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/Miod6t.jpg
detail

To be honest, I thought spittoons were a thing of the past by the 1930s.

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ethereal_reality Aug 8, 2016 5:37 PM

Here's today's 'mystery' location from my series of 12 sepia photographs.



Building #3 [ca.1925]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/NAPeeV.jpg
eBay

-note how the building behind appears to be at an angle.
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I'm outta' town til Wednesday. Have fun noirishers.:)

oldstuff Aug 8, 2016 5:48 PM

I checked Peterson Mfg, and the directory gave the address as 226 E. 25th St. (prob. the main plant, which doesn't help in the least)


Re: Peterson Mfg. Peterson made Folding Baby Strollers. They also later made high chairs and other baby products. Arnie Peterson went into partnership with Bob Wian, the founder of Bob's Big Boy restaurants and they built the Burbank Bob's on San Fernando Road. Somewhere on NLA there is a picture with Mr. Wian, Mr Peterson and the Bob's Car hops from that restaurant. My sister went to church with the Petersons and Arnie Peterson's brother "Pete" was my high school history teacher at Burbank High School.

oldstuff Aug 8, 2016 6:13 PM

[Q





Are these spittoons?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/Miod6t.jpg
detail

To be honest, I thought spittoons were a thing of the past by the 1930s.

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There are circular shaped changes in the flooring under them. I think they are to keep carts, vacuum cleaners, etc from banging into the stone on the corners of the counters and chipping it. Spittoons seem passe' by then to me too.

Or... they are bases to hold the velvet ropes they have in banks for lines before those plastic retractible seatbelt sort of things

HossC Aug 8, 2016 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7524964)

Here's today's 'mystery' location from my series of 12 sepia photographs.

Building #3 [ca.1925]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/NAPeeV.jpg
eBay

-note how the building behind appears to be at an angle.

The Webster-Brinkley Co appears in the 1925, 1926 and 1927 CDs under Transmission Machinery or similar. The company was at 303-305 E 3rd Street. I can't find a demo permit, but many buildings on that block came down in the late-80s, and the building there now dates from the early-90s.

This 1980 aerial view shows that the angled building behind just had an unusual shape due to an old railroad spur.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rBrinkley1.jpg
Historic Aerials

CityBoyDoug Aug 8, 2016 7:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7524802)
re: National Cash Register, Los Angeles


I have a question about the photograph of the lobby.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/dVgRDZ.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YB72PTDML5.jpg




Are these spittoons?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/Miod6t.jpg
detail

To be honest, I thought spittoons were a thing of the past by the 1930s.

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Yes, those are spittoons. Sometimes they placed circular rugs under them in case someone missed the cusp. Nasty.:slob::slob:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psc7yhq7uo.jpg
amazon

odinthor Aug 8, 2016 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7525060)
Yes, those are spittoons. Sometimes they placed circular rugs under them in case someone missed the cusp. Nasty.:slob::slob:

Footnote on the subject of spittoons, alias cuspidors. I was talking to my dental hygienist (well, as well as one can talk with someone's fingers in one's mouth), asking about what used to be those very familiar porcelain fixtures with constant swirls of water, placed next to the dentist's chair, at your service for when the dentist would issue his characteristic command, "Rinse and spit." The ever-running water gave a pleasant and calming sound to a place much in need of pleasant and calming sounds. They apparently fell under the disfavor of the medical world a decade or two ago, and so were removed from at least my dentist's office. "Oh, yes," said she, "they were nasty. I had to clean them every night." "Wa wea the caw?", I asked, which meant, "What were they called?" "Cuspidors," quoth she, which startled me. So, surprisingly, spittoons survived in daily life, updated with plumbing, under their alias cuspidors, until relatively recently. Perhaps they're still widespread--just not in my dentist's office...

HossC Aug 8, 2016 8:28 PM

Thanks for finding the location of Tower Motors yesterday, Flyingwedge.


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We're jumping from Glendale to West Hollywood for today's Julius Shulman post. This is "Job 3960: Fountainview West, 1965".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

A closer view of the balconies.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

I love the contrast in this shot - it just wouldn't be as good in color. It also shows off a little of the zig-zag roof.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

Not a bad view across Hollywood.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

The last shot shows a little of the interior, probably the entrance.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

When I Googled Fountainview West in Hollywood, I got an address of 8455 Fountain Avenue. That's a completely different building. Luckily, the view in the third photo includes Sunset Tower, so I didn't have far to look. The building in the Shulman pictures is at 1155 N La Cienega Boulevard, and now appears to be called The Westview Towers. It seems odd that the apartments on Fountain Avenue acquired the name.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

MichaelRyerson Aug 9, 2016 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7524802)


I have a question about the photograph of the lobby.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/dVgRDZ.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YB72PTDML5.jpg




Are these spittoons?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/Miod6t.jpg
detail

To be honest, I thought spittoons were a thing of the past by the 1930s.

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Spittoons could be found in most municipal buildings well into the 50s. I remember seeing them in City Hall in about 1955.


https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8306/7...88da6bc4_o.jpgFrank Spector reduction of bail, 1951

Reduction of bail, June 11, 1951. Frank Spector; Attorney John W. Porter.

love the spittoon in the courthouse

USCdigital archive/Los Angeles Examiner Negatives Collection, 1950-1961



https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7299/1...ca7454d8_o.jpgPolicewoman lures rape suspect, 1952

30 July 1952. Florence Coberly -- 26 years (policewoman); Detective F.A. Marz (shot and killed suspect Joe L. Parra ), Detective S.W. Griffin. We've seen these guys in the photo-stream before. Officer Coberly seems to be taking it all in stride. And yes, that is a spittoon back there on the floor. Still spittoons in municipal buildings in 1952.

USC digital archive/Los Angeles Examiner Collection, 1920-1961

Blaster Aug 9, 2016 1:29 PM

Detective Marz appears to be wearing his gumshoes.

HossC Aug 9, 2016 9:08 PM

Here are Julius Shulman's pictures of the Crenshaw Mill & Lumber Company. This is "Job 917: Crenshaw Luber [sic] Company, 1951".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

The sales counter.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The rooms in the center look too small to be offices.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

I'll finish the Shulman pictures with a shot of some lumber.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

There's no address with the pictures, but a quick Google shows that there's a Crenshaw Lumber Co at 1860 W 166th Street, Gardena. Their website lists their showroom as 16706 S Western Avenue. It also says:
"Crenshaw Lumber Co. has grown extensively since its inception in 1949. Initially serving framers and contractors in Los Angeles, its continued professionalism helped the company grow into a Southern California destination for quality building products and services."
This looks like the best bet for the right location (unless someone has a better idea). I also found an address for the Crenshaw Lumber Co at 710 E Cerritos Avenue in Anaheim, but that was still citrus groves in 1951.

CityBoyDoug Aug 10, 2016 1:26 AM

Here's native to Italy, Simon Rodia...creator of the famous Watts Towers..Well worth a visit if you live near Los Angeles.
Its unforgettable and very unique to Los Angeles.

After he completed the fantasy towers, he up and left Los Angeles...never to return.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psoezw1ebv.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pswqywtnjl.jpg
CDfiles & LACMA

CityBoyDoug Aug 10, 2016 1:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6846747)
NLA's first glimpse inside the Rosegrove Hotel at 532 So. Flower Street. (I have to say it's rather a nondescript lobby) -note the spittoon.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/j9WdE1.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...item566e14b188
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ER...Remember this 'spittoon" post?

Bristolian Aug 10, 2016 4:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7526181)
Here are Julius Shulman's pictures of the Crenshaw Mill & Lumber Company. This is "Job 917: Crenshaw Luber [sic] Company, 1951".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original


There's no address with the pictures, but a quick Google shows that there's a Crenshaw Lumber Co at 1860 W 166th Street, Gardena. Their website lists their showroom as 16706 S Western Avenue. It also says:
"Crenshaw Lumber Co. has grown extensively since its inception in 1949. Initially serving framers and contractors in Los Angeles, its continued professionalism helped the company grow into a Southern California destination for quality building products and services."
This looks like the best bet for the right location (unless someone has a better idea). I also found an address for the Crenshaw Lumber Co at 710 E Cerritos Avenue in Anaheim, but that was still citrus groves in 1951.

Hoss, I'm pretty sure the location is in Gardena. I mentioned it in post #35634
I mentioned it because the lumber yard still has lumber delivered on rail lines that run into the property and there are working wig wag signals nearby.

Aerial view showing the tracks entering the yard from Western Avenue:
http://i.imgur.com/Dw3AJGV.png?2
Google Maps

I don't know if the building from the Schulman photos still stands or has been heavily modified. There appear to be a lot of buildings on the property.

Here's a YouTube link showing a Union Pacific train making its way through Gardena and delivering lumber to the yard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGRL0pwmOis


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