My Not so far fetched Regional Proposals call for merging all the commuter rail services into one new Agency.... The Northern , Eastern and Western Networks would replace Metro North , the Long Island Railroad , and New Jersey Transit. The Long Island Railroad would be refitted with overhead wires and expanded into the City to Fulton Street Transit Hub , and Restored lines on Long Island creating a completed regional island system. Metro North would be expanded down to Fulton Street Transit hub and along the I-287 Corridor. Various Regional Rail Expansions would be done to the system in Connecticut like the Beacon/Maybrook line , New Milford Extension , Bristol & Torrington Branches... New Jersey Transit would see numerous Regional Rail Expansions up West of the Hudson to Newburgh , down in the Central , West into the Western Foothills. The Network would be fully electrified , the Urban Areas would see a few stations restored like Ampere , Harrison , Weequahic , Hillside , North Paterson , Kearny , and North Arlington. The through lines would replace existing line services , like the Morristown/Ronkonkoma line would become the East-West Corridor , or the Harlem/Staten Island RR/North Jersey Coast line would become the North-South Corridor. There would also be a 2 part beltway line composed of old abandoned Freight lines in Staten Island , New Jersey and a lightly used line in Brooklyn and Queens....along with the I-287 Corridor. These through and ring systems would form the backbone of the system , carrying most of the Passengers. Branch services and short lines like the Gladstone or Far Rockaway Branch would terminate at the current terminals. This would not be the only system I would merge either. New England would get its own Regional Rail agency , SEPTA would lose its Regional Rail to a new Agency covering Southeastern/Eastern Pennsylvania , Delaware , Eastern Maryland and South Jersey's Rail System. Maryland , DC , and Virgina would get another agency , Amtrak would remain....
A sample.... https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...01011,1.674042 East-West Corridor Philpsburg - Main Street Philpsburg - US 22 / NJ 57 Park / Ride Washington Hackettstown Mount Olive Netcong Lake Hopatcong Mount Arlington Dover Denville Mount Tabor Morris Plains Morristown Convent Station Madison Chatham Summit Short Hills Millburn Maplewood South Orange Orange Brick Church Newark Board Street Harrison Journal SQ West 4th Street Fulton Street Borough Hall Atlantic Avenue Nostrand Avenue East New York Jamaica Hollis Queens Village Floral Park Stewart Manor Nassau Boulevard Garden City East Garden City East Meadow Levittown Farmingdale Pinelawn Wyandanch Deer Park Brentwood Central Islip Ronkonkoma North - South Regional Service Wassaic Dover Plains Harlem Valley – Wingdale Appalachian Trail Pawling Patterson Southeast Brewster Croton Falls Purdy's Golden's Bridge Katonah Bedford Hill Mt. Kisco Chappaqua Pleasentville Hawthrone Valhalla North White Plains White Plains Hartsdale Scarsdale Crestwood Tuckahoe Bronxville Fleetwood Mount Vernon West Wakefield Woodlawn Fordham Harlem-125th Street Grand Central Union Square Fulton Street St. George Tompkinsville Stapleton Clinton Grasmere Old Town Dongan Hills Jefferson Ave Grant City New Dorp Oakwood Heights Bay Terrace Great Kills Eltingville Annadale Huguenot Prince's Bay Pleasant Plains Richmond Valley Nassau Atlantic Perth Amboy South Amboy Laurence Harbor Matawan Hazlet Middletown Red Bank Little Silver Long Branch Elberon Allenhurst Asbury Park Bradley Beach Belmar Spring Lake Manasquan Point Pleasant Beach Bay Head Northeast Corridor - Local Service New London Union Niantic Old Lyme Old Saybrook Westbrook Clinton Madison Guilford Branford East Haven Fair Haven New Haven - State Street New Haven - Union Station West Haven Orange Milford Stratford East Bridgeport Bridgeport Fairfield Metro Fairfield Southport Green Farms Westport East Norwalk South Norwalk Rowayton Darien Norton Heights East Stamford Stamford Old Greenwich Riverside Cos-Cob Greenwich Port Chester Rye Harrison Mamaroneck Larchmont New Rochelle Woodside Orchard Beach-City Island Co-Op City Morris Park Parkchester Hunts Point Astoria Sunnyside JCT New York Penn Station Secaucus JCT Newark Penn Station Newark Liberty Airport North Elizabeth Elizabeth Linden Rahway Metropark Metuchen Edison New Brunswick North Brunswick Princeton JCT Hamilton Trenton Regional Connector Hillburn East Suffern Airmont West Nyack South Nyack Tarrytown JCT Irvington Ardsley on Hudson Dobbs Ferry Hasting on Hudson Greystone Glenwood Yonkers Ludlow Riverdale Spuyten Duyvil Marbel Hill University Heights Morris Heights Yankees-163rd Street Mott Haven Northern Boulvard - Woodside Queens Boulevard - Elmhurst Ridgewood East New York Canarsie Flatbush Ave Ocean Parkway Bay Ridge St. George (Underground) Bayonne (Underground) Port Elizabeth (Depressed) Midtown Elizabeth (Elevated-Viaduct) Elmora Cranford Garwood Westfield Fanwood Netherwood Plainfield Dunellen Bound Brook Raritan Northern Connector Xpress North White Plains White Plains Hartsdale Scarsdale Mount Vernon West Fordham Mott Haven Northern Boulevard - Woodside Queens Boulevard - Elmhurst Forest Hills Kew Gardens Jamaica I-287 Railway Corridor New Haven - State Street New Haven - Union Station West Haven Orange Milford Stratford East Bridgeport Bridgeport Fairfield Metro Fairfield Southport Green Farms Westport East Norwalk South Norwalk Rowayton Darien Norton Heights East Stamford Stamford Old Greenwich Riverside Cos-Cob Greenwich Port Chester Purchase East White Plains (Underground) White Plains (Underground) Fairview (Underground) Elmsford (Underground) Tarrytown JCT (Underground) South Nyack West Nyack Airmont East Suffern (Underground) Hillburn |
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WOW, very ambisious and detailed. While some of these I think would be fairly reachable as they reuse existing tracks/lines, the new tunnels and/or bridges that you are envisioning would be wonderful but certainly not a near term item. I am 1000% for expanding the regions transit lines. Use it every day and any improvement would certainly help not just NYC but also the entire Tri-State area's econmoy. |
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The Regional Connector would serve as a major Rail line in the region , connecting over 22 major lines...current and future. Regional Connector Hillburn (Underground) -- Connecting Service : MNRR Main/Bergen/Port Jervis lines , Future : MNRR Pascack Valley line East Suffern (Underground) Airmont Nanuet (Depressed) West Nyack -- Connecting Service : Future MNRR West Shore line South Nyack (Underground) Tarrytown JCT (Underground) -- Connecting Service : Future MNRR I-287 Rail line to White Plains & Port Chester Irvington -- Connecting Service : MNRR Hudson Line Ardsley on Hudson Dobbs Ferry Hasting on Hudson Greystone Glenwood Yonkers -- Connecting Service : Future Yonkers - White Plains BRT Ludlow Riverdale Spuyten Duyvil Marbel Hill -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway 1 Train @ Marbel Hill University Heights Morris Heights Yankees-163rd Street Mott Haven (Underground) -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway 2 & 5 Trains @ 3 Av - 149 St Northern Boulvard - Woodside Roosevelt Ave - Woodside -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway 7,E,F,M,R Trains @ Jackson Heights - Roosevelt Ave Queens Boulevard - Elmhurst Metroplitian Ave - Ridgewood -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway M Train East New York -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway A,C,J,Z,L Trains @ Broadway JCT & Long Island Railroad @ East New York Canarsie Flatbush Ave -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway 2,5 Trains Avenue H -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway Q Train @ Avenue H Ocean Parkway New Utretch Ave - Borough Park -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway D Train @ 62nd Street Bay Ridge -- Connecting Service : NYC Subway R Train @ Bay Ridge Ave St. George (Underground) -- Connecting Service : Staten Island Ferry & Future North Shore BRT or LRT Bayonne (Underground) -- Connecting Service : Hudson Bergen Light Rail @ 8th Street Port Elizabeth (Depressed) -- Connecting Service : Future , Newark - Elizabeth LRT Midtown Elizabeth (Elevated-Viaduct) -- Connecting Service : Northeast Corridor , Future , Newark-Elizabeth LRT Elmora Cranford -- Connecting Service : Raritan Valley line Garwood Westfield Fanwood Netherwood Plainfield Dunellen Bound Brook -- Connecting Service : Future New Brunswick LRT Bridgewater -- Connecting Service : Future West Trenton & Flemington lines Somerville Raritan |
Public Hearing on MSG - Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Just a note to anyone within the NYC metro with any interest in the future of Penn Station/Madison Square Garden - the Planning Commission of the City of New York will meet tomorrow, Wednesday, April 10, 2013, during which a public hearing will be held to discuss Madison Square Garden's request on renewal of its special use permit, as well as a proposal for more signage outside the venue.
Meeting starts at 10:00AM, at Spector Hall, 22 Reade Street. The agenda for the meeting has MSG's requests listed as the last items to be addressed, items 24, 25, and 26. |
I think a good solution for New Jersey would be to use the under utilized Secaucus junction as a starting point to expand PATH. It would drastically reduce traffic to the GW and Lincoln if you built PATH tunnels from Weehawken to the new 7 train expansion on the west side and to the 72nd street 1,2,3 station. You could connect these to the already in progress Hudson/Bergen Light Rail. It would make the Jersey Gold Coast comporable to Queen's and Brooklyn at much less cost and difficulty than the ARC Tunnel or Gateway proposal.
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Nothing we don't already know, but at least the "big vision" is getting national exposure, per NPR.
New York's Penn Station Makeover Faces Arena Sized Obstacle April 09, 2013 3:00 PM Every day, more than 600,000 thousand rail commuters navigate the crowded maze of tunnels and tracks that is Penn Station. Mass transit advocates would like to replace the aging station with a world-class transportation hub. But there's a big obstacle: Madison Square Garden, the arena that sits directly on top of Penn Station. And the Garden's owners show no signs of moving. Listen Here. |
http://commercialobserver.com/2013/0...ssion-hearing/
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NYguy, what do you think about the possibility of moving to another place the MSG. It is feasible or not? Besides the three solutions, which are shown in the picture can be taken into account, or for the MGM is too complicated to find a new place? http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8539/8...9a499349_b.jpg If the MSG will be moved in the future, Vornado can will build tall towers as are shown in the picture. And a tower can will be taller than the ESB? http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8125/8...c68fa525_b.jpg |
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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...garden_to.html
Madison Square Garden should move to make way for roomier N.Y. Penn Station, planners say By Mike Frassinelli April 28, 2013 Quote:
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man, fingers crossed, fingers crossed.
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They should build a new Garden on top of the Port Authority bus terminal. There's room there. Incorporate whatever building they want there into it. Hell, King Kong's giant turd on top of the Port Authority would be an improvement architecturally.
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Plain and simple, I see no way they will be building a NEW Madison Square Garden anytime soon. For those who are not New Yorkers or sports fans and have not been there yet this season, the "new" Garden is a nothing short of a new building inside of the existing shell and is even titled on all the Phase I-III drawings as "Garden V". I have worked on numerous renovations as well as new projects from the ground up....the work done at the Garden was nowhere near a simple renovation.
This was what it looked like inside back in June during the upper bowl demo - notice that the entire upper bowl was missing: http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6558/imag1796r.jpg http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9232/imag17811.jpg http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8625/imag17831.jpg And here was what it looked like in early October nearing completion: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/288/20121017192535.jpg http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2...1017191539.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6...1017192022.jpg The first two phases of the project have totaled next to $700 million already (the demo and replacement of the entire lower seating bowl and lower concourse in Phase I and a completely reconfigured upper seating bowl and concourse during Phase II), with one phase remaining this summer. IMO, there is entirely too much power and political connection reaching out from Cablevision and MSG Holdings to even think there is a remote possibility that the Garden is going to move. This is the same entity that successfully spearheaded a movement to stop the West Side Stadium from being built in 2005, thus slamming the door on NYC's 2012 Olympic hopes. Yes, as a diehard Rangers and Knicks fan, I would have loved a brand new arena and just like the rest of you, would have been in favor of the space being used for alternate reasons. However, I have been to the new Garden multiple times this year and appreciate the fact that they were able to basically give me a new venue to go to while still keeping the history in place. Given the connections and power of the Dolan family, Cablevision, and the Garden, I find it next to impossible to believe that they would have embarked on such a massive project without being assured that it would not all be for naught. |
What was the reason for building MSG right on top of Penn in the first place? I understand that transport is important, but didn't anyone realize just how difficult it would make future expansion for the station?
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Seems to me if i was a Dolan and I knew the moving of MSG and a new Penn was inevitable, I think I'd be padding the value of MSG with a "much needed" renovation too. That way when it comes time to strike a deal to move it means potentially close to a billion more tax funded greenbacks in their pockets. Horrible citizens, great businessmen.
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But unfortunately for Dolan, the momentum has shifted to removal of the Garden from Penn Station, which is a more valuable asset to the City. Farley remains the best option for MSG, but there aren't many. A typical threat, like moving the arena to Jersey wouldn't work for him. The Garden must be in the City, and it must be in Manhattan. But this is the 4th Garden (they can call it 5, if they like) and this is not the historic location for it. I wasn't around to see it get built, but with any luck, I'll be around to see this in reverse... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/86828806/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/86828816/original.jpg A Farley Garden... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/86828840/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/93450455/original.jpg |
Well Madison Square Garden was proposed to have been destroyed and replaced with this years ago, but it didn't happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison..._Garden_Towers
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