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Not directed at them, but some doctors are saying that the aversion to wearing masks is linked to anxiety and anxiety disorders, and people on the autism spectrum.

That's pretty much what I'm doing

Yeah, that's what I do too.

I also find it unhygienic to be constantly touching your mask; in the beginning, I used to take it completely off when I drove by myself, but I didn't like that I was constantly touching the mask to put it on when I left the car, so some time later I started putting it under my chin when I drive by myself or with my partner. I could be wrong but I think it's best to touch your mask as little as possible. People are often constantly tugging at their mask... when I need to adjust mine, I use the ear loops. When I'm out walking, and I'm not in a crowd, I'll wear the mask under my chin, and then when a large group or old people start approaching, I'll use the ear loops to put the mask over my mouth and nose.

Sure is a good thing there's "no politics" in this thread, isn't it?

Very true.

Mask waring increases face touching. When I wear a mask indoors, I am constantly adjusting it because unfortunately, I like to talk a lot and I have a big dome sitting on top of my neck (long Spanish face). After being in a public space, but before I take the mask off, I quirt some hand sanitizer in my hands, then take it off. After the CDC's recent study about surface spread, it probably didn't matter.

Nothing has changed here in Texas only that the mask requirement was passed from the state level to the local/ business level. You can't go anywhere without them on. They suck and I wear mine as little as often but I don't see the evidence where they do nothing and no one of any credibility ever said they were there to assist the wearer but those around them.

Crackpot.

Yeah, I think it's funny I am going on a anti-mask crusade right now but I actually wear my mask outdoors (which is usually just me walking my dog) about 90% of the time. Not because I feel safe, but because it was cold and a mask is really nice in the winter. Now I wear it mostly on my chin until my dog shits, then I slide it up so I don't have to pick up poop and then touch my mask.

Anyways, I do it because I don't like conflict or attention (surprise). But after Friday when I get vaccinated, I will no longer be wearing a mask outside. It will go in my back pocket until I get back inside. I'll be vaccinated and its getting hot as shit, so yeah.

I think its crazy that no one can provide any data on how effective masks are when it comes to the spread of Covid.

Comparing heavily masked states vs less masked states shows pretty much no difference at this point. The real life data on the ground is showing it doesn't matter.

I think the problem is that you, and probably the overwhelming majority of the public and the folks here, understandably aren't schooled on how the medical community thinks and makes recommendations. There are not always YES and NO answers to questions.

It comes down to a Roman Numeral + Letter classification before we decide what to recommend to people, and the strength of that recommendation varies.

So a Class IA recommendation is the highest. A Class IC is much lower, while a class IIC recommendation is the lowest strength recommendation.

I would gather that mask wearing falls under IC (benefit way outweighs the miniscule risk of wearing a mask, and data is very limited, thus we are generally following expert opinion)

https://www.wikidoc.org/images/f/f0/...sification.JPG

Source: https://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/AC...ication_scheme

Pretty good summary of the data here, with a table listing multiple studies showing positive outcomes with mask wearing.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2776536

Couple of points:

1. Thanks for both of you for providing actual evidence, instead of just saying CRACKPOT!
2. Homebucket, that study (and one I checked out that was cited https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...6.2020.1862409) have some elements that I think are important to point out. First, they mention that they didn't know if Covid was found in smaller aerosol particles (or something along those lines). That's an issue because masks are primarily stopping the larger particles. Second, they perform a fit test before the experiments. Normal humans don't do this. In fact, I would say a slight majority of people wearing masks either have them barely covering their nose or are not fit in any way, allowing a large amount of air to come out, which I assume they do on accident or on purpose so they can breath better. 3. A clothe mask fitted correctly, stops 51% of transmission. That's a lot higher than 0, to be sure, but its still 49% not effective even in a controlled environment. With improper wearing, I am sure that 51% goes down way further.
3. With all of that said, and I think those are important points, I'll give yall credit.

But this doesn't mean I still don't have questions about why we don't see massive disparities between highly-masked states vs. relatively unmasked states. We simply don't see the disparity. Of course there could be a million reasons why this is so, but that is kind of the point. I still don't think masks are as important as people make them out to be for the reasons I mentioned above.

In any case, I will not be wearing a mask outdoors starting Friday as all clinical and real life evidence shows that my chances of getting Covid and then spreading it are extremely small. And if this state doesn't lift their mask mandate in good time, I will simply go to Indiana to shop. Texas is a good case study, they pretty much have gone back to normal, Jmac mentioned (I believe) that sure, the mandate is gone but most places still require masks. I am sure that's the case in big cities and suburbs, but probably not the case in small towns. We saw 38,000 people, mostly unmasked, at a baseball game the other day so we definitely have something to look at in due time.

Sounds a lot like what happened here.

Don’t you have something better to do than being an ass at all times? How about you actually provide evidence like I did last night to a question you asked but instead you just decide to be a dick to be a dick like usual.

It will really hurt cities if people didn't get the vaccine because it would create a surge in mental health issues.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ge-study-finds
I felt this was for the CE but since some people are hiding from the CE, I should bring in post-covid issues. Especially since they can impact a city (boom! on topic) especially out in the west coast.

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I didn’t say anything about the vaccines. I think it’s important that everyone gets them. I got the second moderna shot about 2 weeks ago.

Did you have any negative side effects from the vaccine, especially after the second dose? Aches, pain, nausea, fatigue etc?

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First one got kinda sick, my arm hurt pretty darn good. Second one sucked, I had almost a 101 fever, basically felt like the flu and I took the day off from work. But it lasted about a day and then after about 48 hours felt fine. I wish I would have gotten the Pfizer one since nobody seems to get sick from that.

I left the hospital before my 15-minute "observation" time. I asked the nurse "do I have to sit here for 15 minutes or can I head out?" She was like, "yeah, just sign here and you're good to go."

I think the hype about the vaccine's side effects is just media driven because more people will get this vaccine in a short amount of time than at any other time in history, so it makes for good clicks.

What hype about side effects? I've read nothing in the media other than they are astoundingly safe... and even if your strawman were real, why would hospitals add a 15 minute wait time just to cater to your perceived "media hype"?

It's a safety measure because these vaccines were developed and distributed in record time. Even if only 1% of people have negative side effects, does it not behoove medical professionals charged with the health and safety of their patients to be cautious as we continue to expand eligibility only a few months into giving the vaccine to the general public?

How exhausting it must be to view literally everything as a conspiracy. Heres one: I couldn't find parking this morning because of street sweeping in the neighborhood, but it's actually a conspiracy between Chicago Streets and Sanition and the liberal media to scare people from using their cars, thus keeping them at home longer so the economy will shut down and we will be forced to become government charges. Diabolical, and a shame others are too blind to see it.