NEW YORK | Penn Station / MSG Renovation
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Um, it's strange that you're starting this post a day after this project was put on hold. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...temporary.html
Also, the story you posted (without a link) is about the new NJ Transit expansion of Penn Station under 34th Street, not Moynihan Station as stated in the title, which is the redevelopment of the Farley Post Office into a new entrance to the existing platforms at Penn Station. And the renderings you posted are old renderings of the Moynihan project and of an idea for the redevelopment of the main part of Penn Station if Madison Square Garden had been moved to 9th Avenue (and which is not happening now in light of MSG's refusal to move and currently under-construction renovations of the existing MSG). |
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If you want to learn about the new (now on hold) tunnel under the Hudson and the expansion of Penn Station, look here: http://www.arctunnel.com/
If you want to learn about the now under construction renovation of the Farley Post Office into the so-called Moynihan Station (which, despite its name, isn't a new station, but only a new entrance to the existing platforms of Penn Station), then look here: http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...MSDC/MSDC.html And finally, the redevelopment of MSG is discussed here: http://www.msg.com/events/transformation |
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And I'd just like to reiterate that the renderings you posted have nothing to do with the ARC project and the ARC project has nothing to do with the Moynihan Station project, which is the title of this thread. They are two distinct transportation projects, ARC and Moynihan, and you seem to be confusing them here. |
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If you want to call this thread Penn Station redevelopment, then that would cover all these projects. But Moynihan is a particular project that doesn't encompass the rest of Penn Station or its proposed expansion. And ARC is not Moynihan. |
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Order, Order...:order: There must be order.
Just to clarify, Moynihan Station refers to the redevelopment of the Farley Post office into a new hub for New Jersey Transit. It was originally planned as a new hub for Amtrak, but Amtrak decided not to "move" because they would have to pay rent at Moynihan (Farley). Now, they may or may not be part of the new plan, it remains to be seen. There was also a much larger renovation of Penn Station itself, oftern refered to as "Moynihan East". That one fell apart because the cost was too high and Cablevision decided against moving Madison Sqare Garden (to the western end of Farley). Moynihan meanhile, has had years of delays, but now things appear to be back on track. It will be developed in phases, with the first phase beginning before the end of the year. Quote:
_______________________________________________ The ARC project (Access to the Regions Core) is another planned expansion by New Jersey Transit that will double the capcity for service into Manhattan. Originally planned with connections into Penn, those connections were scrapped because it will be further underground than Penn Station is. |
Shown below are the renderings (that have often changed) of the station itself that will be built into the Farley Post Office Building in a later phase...
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Another rendering of the new Moynihan Station with a potential MSG on the western end...
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/93450455/original.jpg And this is the rendering that shows the rebuilt Penn Station accross the street from Moynihan Station...(Farley) http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/93825631/original.jpg A version of a massive skyscraper complex that was being planned as a part of the Moynihan/Penn Station redevelopment (before the towers were dropped from the plan)... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/107968182/original.jpg The Farley Building... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/95933479/large.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/95933552/large.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/95933577/large.jpg |
The renderings of Moynihan's concourse start to come close, in quality, to pictures of the old Penn Station concourse, which makes me want to jump for joy and cry at the same time...is there an emoticon for that?
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Man, I really want this to happen!
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I like the truss design. Trusses mixed with stone arches dignifies any rail station.
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First, ARC was put to a 30-day cost review. It is not on hold. Work is going on right now. Only new contracts cannot be signed for 30 days. Second, and more important, ARC has NOTHING to do with this thread. Moynihan Station is a completely different project. ARC will not even serve Moynihan, and even if it did, it's development is totally separate. |
A few things here...
1. I'm glad MSG isn't going to get demolished. Don't get me wrong, I miss Penn Station but I'm one of the few that like the current design of the garden. 2. Now that MSG isn't moving into Farley what will happen to that back part of the building? 3. Why build a new Penn Station instead of incorporating the entire rail station into Farley? 4. I wish they would demolish that building in front of the Garden and build those skyscrapers. Overall, the plan still looks good for the most part. |
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ATE/101019987#
Hotel, big retail eyed for Moynihan Station Lifting the veil on vision for future Amtrak station in Eighth Avenue post office building, state raises prospect of a hotel on upper floor, and a shopping center. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...Tbl=1&MaxW=630 Down this hallway, which once led to offices, may eventually lead to hotel rooms. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...Tbl=1&MaxW=630 A model of the entire building, which sits on eight acres and spans two city blocks. By Jeremy Smerd October 11, 2010 Quote:
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According the the Friends of Moynihan Station website, new renderings for Phase II will be unveiled on Monday during the groundbreaking for Phase I.
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I'm excited about the new renderings, but I walk by that building all the time. I don't think I'll be stopping by to see the Bloomy/Patterson/Christie(Quinn) show...;) Unless they're giving out free t-shirts.
Hopefully they'll let us know what they intend to do with the air rights from Farley. |
Can't wait to see the new renderings as well and good to see that Duane Reade on 33rd is being targeted for a possible new development of some kind, it is really an eye sore.
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did anyone take the farley post office tour last weekend during open house ny?
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The new renderings for Phase I of the Moynihan Station project have been posted to the ESDC's website. Not encouraging. It seems they're deferring to Amtrak's blue and gray corporate identity which ensures that it will look like a bus station. The canopy over the new entrances is pretty frickin' weak, too. The one nice thing is that you'll be able to see down to the tracks from the West End Concourse.
Despite what their announcement said, I couldn't find any new renderings of the big project, Phase II. http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...enderings.html http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...nStationSM.jpg http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...oncourseSm.jpg http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...nder_small.jpg |
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I wish they would hold off on the "Moynihan Station" signage, though, until Phase II is complete. It'll just confuse the people arriving in the existing Penn. |
As much as they should honor D.P. Moynihan, I wish the whole station would just continue being called Penn. It's a bit like renaming Yankee Stadium.
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Are these new renderings meaning that they replaced ones we have seen before or are just new areas we have not seen before?
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^ Renderings of the current phase.
Mayor, senators, at groundbreaking... joseph a http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/...58583d90_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/...8ee1ac96_b.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/...fb5b402e_b.jpg |
Mind blowing pictures.Nice places.
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^^Gorgeous.
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Yeah, that's the beautiful design that Cablevision trashed after they refused to move the Garden.
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^ Awesome, but would have been a greenhouse. Pretty, nonetheless.
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Is that a possible render because it is pretty nice?
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Oh, I see now. Okay.
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I'd love to see something like that happen. But considering that this is New York and space is at a premium, first you'd have to find a replacement site for Madison Square Garden (maybe in Hudson Yards over the rails). Just a guess on my part, but you'd also probably need to incorporate office space above the great hall, just as MSG is above that location now. It could be done... I'm not an engineer, but consider a vaulted ceiling to support a building above this space while allowing for plenty of light to come in, like the great cathedrals of Europe.
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Finding a new spot for the stadium, I don't think would be such a difficult job, it's more demolishing and building a new stadium
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^^^ Oh yes, everywhere besides Manhattan I meant.
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They've been enjoying their monopoly in the City, and after this year, it will just be Manhattan. |
Are you sure there are no old buildings nearby that could be demolished to house an arena + tower above? I can't believe it. There are plenty of large low rise structures on the west side near Penn Station.
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^^ An arena is wide enough that it can't fit into one block. There would have to be a street closure, which complicates things massively.
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