SkyscraperPage Forum

SkyscraperPage Forum (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum//index.php)
-   General Development (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum//forumdisplay.php?f=86)
-   -   NEW YORK | Moynihan Station / MSG Renovation (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum//showthread.php?t=185034)

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Sep 15, 2010 2:48 AM

NEW YORK | Moynihan Station / MSG Renovation
 
Quote:

A station's hot air
Share Print Email Comment By Erik Engquist and Jeremy Smerd

The state and the city have re-entered negotiations with Vornado Realty Trust and The Related over the sale of 1 million square feet of air rights associated with the new Moynihan Station, says the new president of the Moynihan Station Development Corp., Timothy Gilchrist. The developers entered into a memorandum of understanding with the state in 2006 to develop the Farley Post Office into a new train station and to use the air rights to build an adjacent mixed-use development, topped by a 67-story tower. But the plan, including $110 million from the sale of the air rights, was never approved by the Public Authorities Control Board. Now that initial construction contracts on the $267 million first phase of the station were approved last week, attention is turning to the sale of the building's 2.5 million square feet of transferable air rights, of which Related and Vornado have dibs on the first 1 million.
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TE02/100829957

http://secondavenuesagas.com/wp-cont...esign_2006.jpg

http://www.structuremag.org/images/0309-f2-3.jpg

http://www.structuremag.org/images/0309-f2-1.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...locks600.4.jpg

http://www.infrastructurist.com/wp-c..._moynihan2.jpg
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...1t:429,r:2,s:0

KVNBKLYN Sep 15, 2010 3:13 AM

Um, it's strange that you're starting this post a day after this project was put on hold. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...temporary.html

Also, the story you posted (without a link) is about the new NJ Transit expansion of Penn Station under 34th Street, not Moynihan Station as stated in the title, which is the redevelopment of the Farley Post Office into a new entrance to the existing platforms at Penn Station. And the renderings you posted are old renderings of the Moynihan project and of an idea for the redevelopment of the main part of Penn Station if Madison Square Garden had been moved to 9th Avenue (and which is not happening now in light of MSG's refusal to move and currently under-construction renovations of the existing MSG).

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Sep 15, 2010 3:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN (Post 4981535)
Um, it's strange that you're starting this post a day after this project was put on hold. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...temporary.html

Also, the story you posted (without a link) is about the new NJ Transit expansion of Penn Station under 34th Street, not Moynihan Station as stated in the title, which is the redevelopment of the Farley Post Office into a new entrance to the existing platforms at Penn Station. And the renderings you posted are old renderings of the Moynihan project and of an idea for the redevelopment of the main part of Penn Station if Madison Square Garden had been moved to 9th Avenue (and which is not happening now in light of MSG's refusal to move and currently under-construction renovations of the existing MSG).

well for one it need a home somewhere on SSP,and as for the article it does mention the station. i just posted the latest article that had news about it. when the project gets back up here will be a place to post news.

KVNBKLYN Sep 15, 2010 3:21 AM

If you want to learn about the new (now on hold) tunnel under the Hudson and the expansion of Penn Station, look here: http://www.arctunnel.com/

If you want to learn about the now under construction renovation of the Farley Post Office into the so-called Moynihan Station (which, despite its name, isn't a new station, but only a new entrance to the existing platforms of Penn Station), then look here: http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...MSDC/MSDC.html

And finally, the redevelopment of MSG is discussed here: http://www.msg.com/events/transformation

KVNBKLYN Sep 15, 2010 3:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4981543)
well for one it need a home somewhere on SSP,and as for the article it does mention the station. i just posted the latest article that had news about it. when the project gets back up here will be a place to post news.

The ARC project has its own thread that hasn't been updated in a while: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...light=moynihan

And I'd just like to reiterate that the renderings you posted have nothing to do with the ARC project and the ARC project has nothing to do with the Moynihan Station project, which is the title of this thread. They are two distinct transportation projects, ARC and Moynihan, and you seem to be confusing them here.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Sep 15, 2010 3:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN (Post 4981561)
The ARC project has its own thread that hasn't been updated in a while: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...light=moynihan

And I'd just like to reiterate that the renderings you posted have nothing to do with the ARC project and the ARC project has nothing to do with the Moynihan Station project, which is the title of this thread. They are two distinct transportation projects, ARC and Moynihan, and you seem to be confusing them here.

no....im not confusing them,as i said it had mentioned Moynihan station so i just added it to this thread to show that theres still talking about Moynihan station,i just added yet another article to satisfy you.

KVNBKLYN Sep 15, 2010 4:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork (Post 4981575)
no....im not confusing them,as i said it had mentioned Moynihan station so i just added it to this thread to show that theres still talking about Moynihan station,i just added yet another article to satisfy you.

Look, I'm sorry to belabor this, but the first article you posted was all about ARC and only mentioned Moynihan in passing, yet the thread is called Moynihan Station and most of the renderings you've posted are of the various iterations of Moynihan Station over the past ten years (and none of them particularly relevant today since it's being redesigned again). And that last rendering has nothing to do with anything since it was only a concept that was thrown out there to re-envision what the main part of Penn Station could be like if MSG were moved to 9th Avenue - but that is not happening now and MSG is staying put.

If you want to call this thread Penn Station redevelopment, then that would cover all these projects. But Moynihan is a particular project that doesn't encompass the rest of Penn Station or its proposed expansion. And ARC is not Moynihan.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Sep 15, 2010 4:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN (Post 4981649)
Look, I'm sorry to belabor this, but the first article you posted was all about ARC and only mentioned Moynihan in passing, yet the thread is called Moynihan Station and most of the renderings you've posted are of the various iterations of Moynihan Station over the past ten years (and none of them particularly relevant today since it's being redesigned again). And that last rendering has nothing to do with anything since it was only a concept that was thrown out there to re-envision what the main part of Penn Station could be like if MSG were moved to 9th Avenue - but that is not happening now and MSG is staying put.

If you want to call this thread Penn Station redevelopment, then that would cover all these projects. But Moynihan is a particular project that doesn't encompass the rest of Penn Station or its proposed expansion. And ARC is not Moynihan.

fine i deleted it,happy?

NYguy Sep 15, 2010 2:42 PM

Order, Order...:order: There must be order.



Just to clarify, Moynihan Station refers to the redevelopment of the Farley Post office into a new hub for New Jersey Transit. It was originally planned as a new hub for Amtrak, but Amtrak decided not to "move" because they would have to pay rent at Moynihan (Farley). Now, they may or may not be part of the new plan, it remains to be seen. There was also a much larger renovation of Penn Station itself, oftern refered to as "Moynihan East". That one fell apart because the cost was too high and Cablevision decided against moving Madison Sqare Garden (to the western end of Farley).

Moynihan meanhile, has had years of delays, but now things appear to be back on track. It will be developed in phases, with the first phase beginning before the end of the year.

Quote:

http://www.observer.com/2010/real-es...ey-state-board

Moynihan Station Approved by Key State Board

By Eliot Brown
July 21, 2010

Plans for an expanded Penn Station received a boost today as the Public Authorities Control Board—a state-run board that previously blocked a different version of the project—approved a first phase for the plan, known as Moynihan Station.

With each additional approval (of which there are many), it's actually looking like the project, which would eventually move Amtrak into the Corinthian column-lined Farley Post Office across Eighth Avenue, will see the start of construction.

Back in 2006, the PACB, which is controlled jointly by the governor and the leaders of the state Senate and Assembly, blocked Governor Pataki's plans for the project, as Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver stood in the way of the plan. Complete with the project's narrative of ever-overreaching visions, the incoming Governor Spitzer then championed a larger version that involved moving Madison Square Garden to the post office, which more than a year later fell apart, due largely to the tremendous level of complication involved. (In retrospect, this plan approved today isn't all that different from what the PACB was being asked to approve three-and-a-half years ago. Of course, that was before tens of millions of additional spending on consultants, borrowing costs, etc.)

...In the past year, state officials reworked the plan to be able to construct the project in chunks, as opposed to the prior strategy of waiting until all the various moving pieces fell into place. Should construction actually begin, it will be in large part due to this new strategy.

...Still on the table, in theory: the sale of at least 1 million square feet of air rights over the Farley Building to a venture of developers Vornado and Related, which would build a tower across the street next to 1 Penn Plaza. (That, too, would need further approvals.)

_______________________________________________


The ARC project (Access to the Regions Core) is another planned expansion by New Jersey Transit that will double the capcity for service into Manhattan. Originally planned with connections into Penn, those connections were scrapped because it will be further underground than Penn Station is.

NYguy Sep 15, 2010 2:47 PM

Shown below are the renderings (that have often changed) of the station itself that will be built into the Farley Post Office Building in a later phase...




NYguy Sep 15, 2010 2:55 PM

Another rendering of the new Moynihan Station with a potential MSG on the western end...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/93450455/original.jpg


And this is the rendering that shows the rebuilt Penn Station accross the street from Moynihan Station...(Farley)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/93825631/original.jpg



A version of a massive skyscraper complex that was being planned as a part of the Moynihan/Penn Station redevelopment (before the towers were dropped from the plan)...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/107968182/original.jpg


The Farley Building...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/95933479/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/95933552/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/95933577/large.jpg

hammersklavier Sep 15, 2010 8:53 PM

The renderings of Moynihan's concourse start to come close, in quality, to pictures of the old Penn Station concourse, which makes me want to jump for joy and cry at the same time...is there an emoticon for that?

Obey Sep 16, 2010 12:06 AM

Man, I really want this to happen!

BStyles Sep 16, 2010 1:43 PM

I like the truss design. Trusses mixed with stone arches dignifies any rail station.

Crawford Sep 16, 2010 4:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN (Post 4981535)
Um, it's strange that you're starting this post a day after this project was put on hold. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...temporary.html

Also, the story you posted (without a link) is about the new NJ Transit expansion of Penn Station under 34th Street, not Moynihan Station as stated in the title, which is the redevelopment of the Farley Post Office into a new entrance to the existing platforms at Penn Station. And the renderings you posted are old renderings of the Moynihan project and of an idea for the redevelopment of the main part of Penn Station if Madison Square Garden had been moved to 9th Avenue (and which is not happening now in light of MSG's refusal to move and currently under-construction renovations of the existing MSG).

You seem confused.

First, ARC was put to a 30-day cost review. It is not on hold. Work is going on right now. Only new contracts cannot be signed for 30 days.

Second, and more important, ARC has NOTHING to do with this thread. Moynihan Station is a completely different project. ARC will not even serve Moynihan, and even if it did, it's development is totally separate.

Rail>Auto Sep 16, 2010 7:08 PM

A few things here...

1. I'm glad MSG isn't going to get demolished. Don't get me wrong, I miss Penn Station but I'm one of the few that like the current design of the garden.

2. Now that MSG isn't moving into Farley what will happen to that back part of the building?

3. Why build a new Penn Station instead of incorporating the entire rail station into Farley?

4. I wish they would demolish that building in front of the Garden and build those skyscrapers.

Overall, the plan still looks good for the most part.

KVNBKLYN Sep 17, 2010 3:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 4983300)
You seem confused.

First, ARC was put to a 30-day cost review. It is not on hold. Work is going on right now. Only new contracts cannot be signed for 30 days.

Second, and more important, ARC has NOTHING to do with this thread. Moynihan Station is a completely different project. ARC will not even serve Moynihan, and even if it did, it's development is totally separate.

:( There's a whole lotta confusion going around this thread! You probably can't glean this from reading through the posts, but the original post of this thread originally had a long article about ARC mixed with renderings of ARC and renderings of Moynihan Station. The starter of this thread edited his first post to get rid of the references to ARC after I pointed out exactly what you just pointed out to me, which is that ARC and Moynihan have nothing to do with each other.

NYguy Sep 17, 2010 2:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rail>Auto (Post 4983522)
3. Why build a new Penn Station instead of incorporating the entire rail station into Farley?

The Long Island Railroad is the largest user of Penn Station, and the LIRR platforms won't be moved. NJ Transit uses different platforms, and those platforms will be extended west, which will put them beneath the Farley Building, with access from above in the new Moynihan Station. Think of it in terms of an airport, with different terminals.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford
ARC was put to a 30-day cost review. It is not on hold. Work is going on right now. Only new contracts cannot be signed for 30 days.

They are seeking new ways to plug the funding gap, including adding a surcharge to NJ Transit passengers (even though there has just been an increase). But in the end, it will double capacity into Manhattan, and the oppurtunity to do it now can't be wasted. It could end up like the Second Avenue subway, doomed to decades of delays.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Oct 9, 2010 3:42 AM

http://www.app.com/graphics/mastlogo.gif

Quote:

Rail advocates: Cut link to NYC's planned 34th St. Station, save $3B

hat's the message of a group of rail advocates, including a retired Long Island Railroad executive, who contend that $3 billion can be cut out of the proposed $8.7 million second Hudson River project by doing that, and save it from being scuttled by the Christie administration for fiscal reasons.

Members of the Regional Working Rail Group said their arguments have more validity now that Gov. Chris Christie has questioned if the state can afford the project, which federal officials fear could top $10 billion over time.

"I hope they'll look at the cost of the current project and an alternative that will clearly save them money," said Joseph Clift, a member of the Regional Rail Working Group and retired LIRR director of planning.

To do so means returning to one of the alternative plans to send trains to Penn Station, instead of to a proposed deep cavern station about 150 feet under 34th Street. That plan, known as alternative G, was rejected by NJ Transit because of engineering and geological issues.

But Clift said that although some of those issues are "engineering challenges," they are not "fatal flaws," as NJ Transit officials have contended.

"We say kill the 34th Street station plan and go back to the draft environmental impact statement plan of February 2008 and build the route to Penn Station. It will save $3 billion. . . . The savings are from not doing the route to 34th Street," Clift said during a walking tour of the tunnel route from the Hudson River to Penn Station through Midtown Manhattan.

Several legislators have taken the tour, and information about resurrecting the Penn Station route has been sent to Christie and Transportation Commissioner James Simpson.

Eliminating the deep cavern tunnel and station could reduce or even eliminate the state's share, which would come from New Jersey Turnpike Authority Revenues and from the almost-broke state Transportation Trust Fund.
http://www.app.com/article/20101001/...tation-save-3B

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Oct 9, 2010 3:47 AM

http://www.app.com/graphics/mastlogo.gif

Quote:

Christie spokesman denies Hudson River rail tunnel plans have been killed

"The governor spoke to CNN in Illinois and said categorically there has been no decision,'' said spokesman Kevin Roberts.

A group representing New Jersey rail riders called on the Christie administration to put the project on a longer "time out'' beyond the 30-day hiatus imposed last month and look at "right sizing'' the project by having it go to Penn Station and the proposed Moynihan Station to be converted from the Farley Post Office, instead of scuttling the project.

"There is a third way which would permit the construction of the megaproject to move forward while reducing overall outlays to stay within tight budgetary constraints,'' said Al Papp, director of the New Jersey Association of Railroad Passengers. "‚'Moynihan/Penn Station First' will be a win, win, win situation -- for the governor, for the project's proponents and -- most importantly -- for the riding public.''

Papp said that an estimated $3 billion could be saved by eliminating the deep cavern station and the overall depth of the project. Last week, Transportation Commissioner James Simpson said those estimates weren't accurate.

NJ Transit officials have maintained the route to Penn Station was ruled out due to technical and geological issues in addition to existing infrastructure that would be in the way. Rail advocates maintain those issues are solvable and not fatal flaws.

The massive project to build a set of rail tunnels under the Hudson and a separate station 150 feet under 34th street in Manhattan is coming to the end of a 30-day financial review imposed by Christie due to concerns that the project could run over budget.

Federal Transit Administration officials who have been conducting the review with NJ Transit officials have warned the state that it would not pay for any cost overruns beyond the $3 billion that the agency commited to the project as part of a funding grant being negotiated.

State officials are awaiting a financial analysis from the FTA which could forecast cost overruns for the project, which would take until 2018 to complete. So far the state has spent between $500 million and $600 million on the tunnel project, mostly in design and engineering work.

The only construction happening is construction of an overpass to carry Routes 1 and 9 over the mouth of the new tunnel through the Palisades in North Bergen.
http://www.app.com/article/20101006/...ve-been-killed

NYguy Oct 9, 2010 4:00 AM

Quote:

"I hope they'll look at the cost of the current project and an alternative that will clearly save them money," said Joseph Clift, a member of the Regional Rail Working Group and retired LIRR director of planning.

To do so means returning to one of the alternative plans to send trains to Penn Station, instead of to a proposed deep cavern station about 150 feet under 34th Street. That plan, known as alternative G, was rejected by NJ Transit because of engineering and geological issues.

But Clift said that although some of those issues are "engineering challenges," they are not "fatal flaws," as NJ Transit officials have contended.

"We say kill the 34th Street station plan and go back to the draft environmental impact statement plan of February 2008 and build the route to Penn Station. It will save $3 billion
Well, if they could have those trains terminate in the new Moynihan section of Penn Station, I'm for it. But Penn Station is crowded enough as it is, they would have to find a way to circulate the additional transit population through the concourses. But if it will keep that tunnel under construction, do it. Because I don't think we'll get the oppurtunity to do it again in our lifetime.

NYguy Oct 12, 2010 3:25 AM

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ATE/101019987#

Hotel, big retail eyed for Moynihan Station
Lifting the veil on vision for future Amtrak station in Eighth Avenue post office building, state raises prospect of a hotel on upper floor, and a shopping center.


http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...Tbl=1&MaxW=630
Down this hallway, which once led to offices, may eventually lead to hotel rooms.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...Tbl=1&MaxW=630
A model of the entire building, which sits on eight acres and spans two city blocks.



By Jeremy Smerd
October 11, 2010


Quote:

A marble hallway where a tiny jail housed postal thieves; expansive rooms obstructed by dingy drop-ceilings; and wide hallways overlooking the inner courtyard of the James A. Farley Post Office—this now-obsolete but prime Manhattan real estate could be transformed into a boutique hotel that will occupy the top floors of what will eventually become Moynihan train station.

The Related Cos. and Vornado Realty Trust, the two developers working with the Moynihan Station Development Corp. to turn the bottom two floors of the six-story post office into a new Amtrak station, envision a 200-room boutique hotel on the eastern half of the building, which has grand facade facing Eighth Avenue, said Fred Bartoli, project manager on the Moynihan Station Development Corp. That group is a subsidiary of the state's Empire State Development Corp.

Mr. Bartoli was among several ESDC staffers giving New Yorkers an inside glimpse of the future of Moynihan Station on Oct. 9. The tours were part of Open House New York's annual weekend event showcasing the city's architecture marvels. An actual boutique hotel in the space is many years away, but that is so far the most likely use of the space, Mr. Bartoli said.

The national landmark sits on an eight-acre site that spans two square city blocks between West 31st and West 33rd streets. The Beaux Arts facade actually contains two buildings bisected by a breezeway that will eventually be opened up to allow taxi passage.

The eastern half of the building envelopes an inner courtyard covered with a copper-plated roof. Designers say the roof will be replaced with a glass dome covering a train hall similar to Grand Central Terminal's main concourse.

The western half of the building is likely to contain retail shops with big-box stores on the upper floors of the six-story building. Those floors are now empty. All that remain are covered catwalks with slots in the walls.


Postal managers used the slots to spy on their employees, some of whom may have been tempted to steal the mail or read a postcard or two, according to the tour guides.

It could be at least a decade, however, before a boutique hotel or retail stores come to fruition. While construction on the $267 million first phase begins this month, the downturn in the real estate market has put the private-public development of the station's later phases on hold. The first phase entails linking the Farley building to expanded Penn Station platforms, giving passengers another exit on the final third of tracks that run from Penn station underneath the post office.

“That will really help alleviate congestion at Penn Station,” said Bronson Fox, a vice president of development at the Moynihan Station Development Corp., who also spoke on the tour.

ESDC is in talks with the developers to sell 2.5 million square feet of air rights. The money would combine with government funding to develop the post office into a train station. The private developers would then pay to renovate the remaining floors. What the developers will do with the air rights remains a source of speculation. Vornado could transform a neighboring site into a tower rivaling One Penn Plaza. The site on the northeast corner of Eighth Avenue and West 33rd Street is currently home to a one-story Duane Reade.

For now, the post office is largely unused and off limits to the public. The exception is the main foyer on Eighth Avenue, which still serves as a neighborhood post office and will continue to be used as a retail post office once the station is built.

The jail that once housed postal thieves has been taken down. All that remain are the marks on the floor outlining the footprint of the tiny cells. Signs along the wide corridors announcing the building as a “fallout shelter” speak of an earlier era when the building teemed with thousands of workers who sorted the mail, designed stamps (some of which were kept in a vault in the basement) and, until five years ago, shipped the mail on the trains below ground.

Much of that work is now outsourced. And though the future of the U.S. Postal Service is uncertain in the Internet era, the agency's famous motto inscribed on the building's facade will remain in perpetuity:

“Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.”

KVNBKLYN Oct 13, 2010 5:35 PM

According the the Friends of Moynihan Station website, new renderings for Phase II will be unveiled on Monday during the groundbreaking for Phase I.

Quote:

Please join us at a ceremonial groundbreaking of the Moynihan Station Phase One project on Monday, October 18, at 10:30am on the steps of the Farley Building (rain location is the 31st Street Rotunda). Gov. David Paterson, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, USDOT Secretary Ray LaHood, Senator Charles Schumer and others will unveil new renderings and break ground on the project. It should be an exciting event - please stop by! For more information, contact the Governor's press office at (518) 474 8390.
http://www.moynihanstation.org/newsite/

NYguy Oct 13, 2010 10:34 PM

I'm excited about the new renderings, but I walk by that building all the time. I don't think I'll be stopping by to see the Bloomy/Patterson/Christie(Quinn) show...;) Unless they're giving out free t-shirts.

Hopefully they'll let us know what they intend to do with the air rights from Farley.

yankeesfan1000 Oct 14, 2010 2:31 AM

Can't wait to see the new renderings as well and good to see that Duane Reade on 33rd is being targeted for a possible new development of some kind, it is really an eye sore.

NYguy Oct 14, 2010 3:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000 (Post 5014992)
Can't wait to see the new renderings as well and good to see that Duane Reade on 33rd is being targeted for a possible new development of some kind, it is really an eye sore.

That's the so called Penn West site, and has long been planned as a site for a residential of about 700 ft or so. I do go into that DR often, but it's not like there aren't others in the immediate area, 2 inside Penn Station itself.

NYguy Oct 18, 2010 5:53 PM

ny1

Video Link

mrnyc Oct 18, 2010 7:01 PM

did anyone take the farley post office tour last weekend during open house ny?

KVNBKLYN Oct 18, 2010 9:00 PM

The new renderings for Phase I of the Moynihan Station project have been posted to the ESDC's website. Not encouraging. It seems they're deferring to Amtrak's blue and gray corporate identity which ensures that it will look like a bus station. The canopy over the new entrances is pretty frickin' weak, too. The one nice thing is that you'll be able to see down to the tracks from the West End Concourse.

Despite what their announcement said, I couldn't find any new renderings of the big project, Phase II.

http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...enderings.html

http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...nStationSM.jpg

http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...oncourseSm.jpg

http://www.empire.state.ny.us/Subsid...nder_small.jpg

ardecila Oct 19, 2010 3:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN (Post 5020969)
The new renderings for Phase I of the Moynihan Station project have been posted to the ESDC's website. Not encouraging. It seems they're deferring to Amtrak's blue and gray corporate identity which ensures that it will look like a bus station. The canopy over the new entrances is pretty frickin' weak, too. The one nice thing is that you'll be able to see down to the tracks from the West End Concourse.

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for. Even after Phase II is done, the West End Concourse will still be a secondary entrance... the main entrance will be further west, near the Great Hall.

I wish they would hold off on the "Moynihan Station" signage, though, until Phase II is complete. It'll just confuse the people arriving in the existing Penn.

Busy Bee Oct 19, 2010 4:00 AM

As much as they should honor D.P. Moynihan, I wish the whole station would just continue being called Penn. It's a bit like renaming Yankee Stadium.

Obey Oct 19, 2010 11:52 PM

Are these new renderings meaning that they replaced ones we have seen before or are just new areas we have not seen before?

NYguy Nov 3, 2010 1:17 PM

^ Renderings of the current phase.


Mayor, senators, at groundbreaking...

joseph a

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/...58583d90_b.jpg



http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/...8ee1ac96_b.jpg



http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/...fb5b402e_b.jpg

Alexanderee Nov 3, 2010 4:47 PM

Mind blowing pictures.Nice places.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Mar 1, 2011 10:26 PM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1353/...3fe021f6_b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1353/...3fe021f6_b.jpg

scalziand Mar 1, 2011 11:32 PM

^^Gorgeous.

ardecila Mar 1, 2011 11:38 PM

Yeah, that's the beautiful design that Cablevision trashed after they refused to move the Garden.

zilfondel Mar 2, 2011 12:39 AM

^ Awesome, but would have been a greenhouse. Pretty, nonetheless.

Obey Mar 2, 2011 12:50 AM

Is that a possible render because it is pretty nice?

UrbanImpact Mar 2, 2011 2:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obey (Post 5183647)
Is that a possible render because it is pretty nice?

If they knock down Madison Square Garden, then yes. As stated elsewhere, that is not going to happen at the moment. :(

Obey Mar 2, 2011 2:42 AM

Oh, I see now. Okay.

patriotizzy Mar 2, 2011 7:22 AM

Make this happen NAO!

JACKinBeantown Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM

I'd love to see something like that happen. But considering that this is New York and space is at a premium, first you'd have to find a replacement site for Madison Square Garden (maybe in Hudson Yards over the rails). Just a guess on my part, but you'd also probably need to incorporate office space above the great hall, just as MSG is above that location now. It could be done... I'm not an engineer, but consider a vaulted ceiling to support a building above this space while allowing for plenty of light to come in, like the great cathedrals of Europe.

NYguy Mar 2, 2011 3:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKinNYC (Post 5184141)
I'd love to see something like that happen. But considering that this is New York and space is at a premium, first you'd have to find a replacement site for Madison Square Garden (maybe in Hudson Yards over the rails).

Bloomberg would sink the entire west side into the Hudson before letting Cablevision move the Garden to the railyards (remember the Cablevision/Stadium wars). It's not an option anyway, as the railyards has its own site plan and zoning in place. What was and still could be possible (though still not likely) was the move to Farley.

Obey Mar 2, 2011 9:34 PM

Finding a new spot for the stadium, I don't think would be such a difficult job, it's more demolishing and building a new stadium

NYguy Mar 3, 2011 6:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obey (Post 5184758)
Finding a new spot for the stadium, I don't think would be such a difficult job, it's more demolishing and building a new stadium

In Manhattan, it would be beyond difficult. There are no open spaces for an arena to be built in Manhattan, no sights to even consider. Even if there were, Cablevision would be foolish to move the arena away from the abundance of public transportation the arena now has.

Obey Mar 3, 2011 12:09 PM

^^^ Oh yes, everywhere besides Manhattan I meant.

NYguy Mar 3, 2011 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obey (Post 5185646)
^^^ Oh yes, everywhere besides Manhattan I meant.

James Dolan would have you shipped to the moon for even suggesting that...:sly:

They've been enjoying their monopoly in the City, and after this year, it will just be Manhattan.

aquablue Mar 3, 2011 7:49 PM

Are you sure there are no old buildings nearby that could be demolished to house an arena + tower above? I can't believe it. There are plenty of large low rise structures on the west side near Penn Station.

ardecila Mar 3, 2011 8:24 PM

^^ An arena is wide enough that it can't fit into one block. There would have to be a street closure, which complicates things massively.


All times are GMT. The time now is 5:13 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.