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TowerDude Feb 23, 2020 5:35 AM

They should also bring the L and 7 trains to Penn Station too and figure out some way to make free transfer corridors between the L/7 trains and the 1/2/3 and A/C/E trains

nito Feb 24, 2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 8837829)
East Side Access will shift most of the LIRR ridership away from Penn and some of the E train ridership. But for whatever reason the LIRR still intends on running full service to Penn despite ridership project to decrease by 60%. It also plans on gutting service to Atlantic Terminal in favor of a shuttle service. I don't think there is a high demand for through running , and you'll have a very hard time convincing the agencies that its worth while. NJT has billions in backlogged projects before it could even handle high capacity / frequent trains that would be required for through running.

I’d be surprised that there isn’t demand, or more accurately it is supressed by the lack of simple connectivity from cross-city rides to an integrated passenger information system. It isn’t just a case of people getting to jobs in New Jersey from Long Island and vice versa, it’s broader connectivity, such as getting to Newark Airport from Long Island, etc…

Metro areas are regularly brought up on this forum to gauge size and scale, but the absence of joined up regional planning results in staggeringly expensive projects that deliver little benefit. East Side Access is costing half the price of Crossrail, but merely relocates terminating trains one mile away (whilst also reusing an existing tunnel) to a station that has surplus platform capacity, but which doesn’t utilise them.

k1052 Feb 24, 2020 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nito (Post 8840499)
Metro areas are regularly brought up on this forum to gauge size and scale, but the absence of joined up regional planning results in staggeringly expensive projects that deliver little benefit. East Side Access is costing half the price of Crossrail, but merely relocates terminating trains one mile away (whilst also reusing an existing tunnel) to a station that has surplus platform capacity, but which doesn’t utilise them.

MNRR didn't want to share Grand Central with LIRR so we get the mind bogglingly expensive ESA. Then of course LIRR didn't want to share their Penn slots with MNRR until the governor told them they had to.

Even within the same org the different arms are often too busy trying to block each other to protect their turf to get much done for their customers.

Nexis4Jersey Feb 26, 2020 2:46 AM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 8840512)
MNRR didn't want to share Grand Central with LIRR so we get the mind bogglingly expensive ESA. Then of course LIRR didn't want to share their Penn slots with MNRR until the governor told them they had to.

Even within the same org the different arms are often too busy trying to block each other to protect their turf to get much done for their customers.

I think the Grade into the Lower Level was more of an issue then the sharing. The current ESA is about level with the 63rd street tunnel , the lower level of GCT would most likely require a longer approach.

k1052 Feb 26, 2020 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 8842642)
I think the Grade into the Lower Level was more of an issue then the sharing. The current ESA is about level with the 63rd street tunnel , the lower level of GCT would most likely require a longer approach.

The grade was acceptable. MNRR didn't want LIRR in their tunnels or terminal. The stated reason for rejecting this alternative were "impact to MNRR operations". LIRR tried the same thing at Penn with their slots but got told no this time by the governor to facilitate MNRR Penn Access.

Anyhoo it's built now (mostly). The ESA does present some tantalizing options for future expansion but that doesn't seem likely until costs come down and the various transportation agencies cease their trench warfare.

NYguy May 21, 2020 11:29 PM

https://commercialobserver.com/2020/...y-post-office/

Facebook Closing on 740K SF at Farley Post Office, Despite Work From Home Initiative

BY STEVE CUOZZO
MAY 21, 2020


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Facebook’s breathlessly-watched negotiation to lease more than 700,000 square feet at Vornado’s Farley Post Office site is all but a done deal, sources told Commercial Observer.

“It’s immensely complicated. They were hoping to finish it by Memorial Day. They’ll miss that date, but the fact that they were aiming for it shows how near they are,” an insider said.

It was widely speculated that Facebook might change its mind about taking space at Farley after the coronavirus struck. But sources said the talks never broke down and the goal line’s now in reach.
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On Thursday, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced he would shift as many as half of the firm’s 45,000 employees to work-from-home status, the Wall Street Journal reported.

But the transition would unspool slowly over the next ten years, he said. It didn’t appear to immediately impact Facebook’s ongoing expansion in Manhattan.

A likely 740,000-square-foot commitment between Facebook and one of the country’s largest developers at a high-profile Manhattan location would be a promising bellwether for the office market’s future.
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The building will also house a spectacular new Moynihan Train Hall, part of a state-backed project to modernize cramped and inefficient Penn Station across the street.

Vornado’s development cost is estimated at $1.03 billion, according to the publicly traded company’s most recent SEC filing. Related Companies is a five-percent partner in the project.

Facebook would have space on floors 2-4 as well as on a new fifth level being built atop the original structure.

Prior to the coronavirus outbreak, Facebook also signed leases for 1.5 million square feet at three of Related’s Hudson Yards towers. It currently has 760,000 square feet at 770 Broadway and 266,000 square feet at 225 Park Avenue South.

chris08876 May 22, 2020 3:36 PM

NJ Transit Authorizes Contract for Penn Station Design Work

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The NJ Transit Board of Directors authorized a $4.1 million contract with FX Collaborative Architects of New York for preliminary design, engineering and construction assistance of the Central Concourse Extension at Penn Station New York (PSNY).

The NJ Transit Central Concourse Extension is a proposed corridor that will provide additional access to Tracks 1-12. The overriding purpose of the Central Concourse Extension will be to improve passenger access to NJ Transit trains entering and leaving PSNY. It will also improve passenger connectivity within the station and to the street.


The new Central Concourse Extension will extend the existing Central Concourse south from the Hilton Passageway to provide additional access to Tracks 1-12 with new stairs and elevators to each platform.

Working with Amtrak, NJ Transit will define the project and advance the design to 30%, continuing the focus on the structural and mechanical, electrical and plumbing (MEP) impacts, construction impacts and architectural feasibility. Continued coordination with key stakeholders such as Amtrak and Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) will be an important element in the next design phase. The design and engineering of the project will require significant coordination with, and is subject to review and approval by, Amtrak, the station’s owner. This phase of design is anticipated to be completed in 2023.

NJ Transit is engaged in a number of additional initiatives regarding PSNY, and this project is being advanced within that context. The additional activities include:

Partnering with Amtrak on a redesign and opening up of the existing Level B (Main Concourse) waiting room, which will become fully available for NJ Transit customers and will include a ticketed customer entrance on its east side to provide easier access from NJ Transit’s 7th Avenue Concourse. (The Central Concourse’s northern terminus would be located in close proximity to this area.)

Engaging with Amtrak on its plans for moving a major portion of Amtrak’s daytime passenger operations across 8th Avenue to Moynihan Train Hall, and will work to develop an expansion of NJ Transit’s passenger facilities in its transition to be the primary railroad occupant on Level B.


Working with Amtrak, the MTA and others on a Master Plan design effort for Penn Station, which will build on the earlier work of the Penn Station Visioning Study that identified the Central Concourse Extension project as a fundamental improvement for passenger circulation.
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https://www.railwayage.com/passenger...n-design-work/

TowerDude May 23, 2020 3:51 PM

Facebook should be getting smaller not larger.

chris08876 May 26, 2020 4:26 PM

From today's press conference. Brief mention of the rail station.

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chris08876 Jun 10, 2020 3:43 PM

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NYguy Jun 16, 2020 4:35 PM

Still looks on target to open the end of the year...



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NYguy Jun 22, 2020 5:26 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9Hw1UlJoYE/

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ESysyn Jun 23, 2020 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TowerDude (Post 8839622)
They should also bring the L and 7 trains to Penn Station too and figure out some way to make free transfer corridors between the L/7 trains

I know it is a long shot, but if they were to bring the L and 7 trains to Penn Station, they could merge the lines into a single line.

They could perhaps name it the U train.

KVNBKLYN Jun 24, 2020 1:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ESysyn (Post 8960635)
I know it is a long shot, but if they were to bring the L and 7 trains to Penn Station, they could merge the lines into a single line.

Considering the 7 is an A division train (narrow trains) and the L is a B division (wider trains), that wouldn't be possible without completely rebuilding the platforms along one of the current lines, so, unlikely to happen.

ESysyn Jun 24, 2020 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KVNBKLYN (Post 8960786)
Considering the 7 is an A division train (narrow trains) and the L is a B division (wider trains), that wouldn't be possible without completely rebuilding the platforms along one of the current lines, so, unlikely to happen.

Yep, it is an expensive longshot its too bad

jamesinclair Jul 26, 2020 4:25 AM

This is related to the new station, in that NJT is taking over the existing waiting area as Amtrak will be moving

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Amtrak and NJ TRANSIT have completed the first phase of the Ticketed Waiting Area refresh at New York Penn Station and opened the space for customers today at the Amtrak Concourse on the Upper Level and 8th Avenue side of the Station. As part of the refresh, customers can expect new furniture and fixtures, including seats with electrical and USB outlets to charge devices, an upgraded ceiling complete with new LED lighting, a new information desk and a second entrance in close proximity to the NJ TRANSIT concourse, offering easy access towards the 7th Avenue side of the Station.

The project, which includes a $7.2 million total joint investment between Amtrak and NJ TRANSIT, has already started construction on the second phase and is planned to be completed and opened by early Fall 2020. A temporary space to accommodate passengers during the construction period will be near Tracks 13 and 14.
https://www.njtransit.com/node/1257260

NYguy Aug 3, 2020 9:32 PM

It's official...


https://therealdeal.com/2020/08/03/f...=feature_posts

Farley gets Zucked: Facebook signs huge lease at Post Office redevelopment
The social media giant announced a broader work-from-home push earlier this year



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August 03, 2020


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Facebook is officially coming to the Farley Post Office redevelopment, in what is certain to be a major boost for New York’s struggling office market.

The social media giant has signed a lease for 730,000 square feet of space at the property, landlord Vornado Realty Trust announced Monday.

Vornado CEO Steve Roth on Monday said in a prepared statement that Facebook’s decision “reinforces New York’s position as the nation’s second tech hub.” Robert Cookson, who oversees real estate for the social networking giant, said that the company looked forward to being a part of this iconic New York City landmark’s future for years to come.”

Facebook’s New York city office is currently located at Vornado’s 770 Broadway. The company also signed on last year for more than 1.5 million square feet nearby at Hudson Yards.



https://commercialobserver.com/2020/...y-post-office/

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“Facebook first joined New York’s vibrant business and tech community in 2007,” Robert Cookson, the vice president of real estate for Facebook, said in a statement. “Since that time, we’ve continuously grown and expanded our presence throughout the city. The Farley Building will further anchor our New York footprint and create a dedicated hub for our tech and engineering teams.”

The Farley space will be the second massive office that Facebook will have in the area. In November, Facebook signed a lease for more than 1.5 million square feet across three buildings in the nearby Hudson Yards.

It’s also reportedly in talks to take over Neiman Marcus’ 188,000-square-foot retail space in Hudson Yards to convert into office use, which Neiman Marcus said last month it would ditch as part of the department store’s bankruptcy proceedings.

NYguy Aug 3, 2020 11:53 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/n...-building.html

Facebook Bets Big on Future of N.Y.C., and Offices, With New Lease
Despite the pandemic, the social media giant leased all the office space in the former main post office at Penn Station in Midtown.



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By Matthew Haag
Aug. 3, 2020


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Facebook on Monday agreed to lease all the office space in the mammoth 107-year-old James A. Farley Building in Midtown Manhattan, cementing New York City as a growing global technology hub and reaffirming a major corporation’s commitment to an office-centric urban culture despite the pandemic.

With the 730,000-square-foot lease, Facebook has acquired more than 2.2 million square feet of office space in the city for thousands of employees in less than a year, all of it on Manhattan’s West Side between Pennsylvania Station and the Hudson River.

Apple, Amazon and Google all lease space in the same area, an emerging tech corridor.

The timing of the deal’s announcement was somewhat of a surprise because Facebook, which had expressed interest in the Farley Building for months, has given most of its employees the option of working from home during the pandemic. Even after the pandemic subsides, Facebook has said that within the next 10 years up to half of its roughly 52,200 employees across the country would work from home.
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Much of Manhattan’s business district remains a virtual ghost town with only a small fraction of workers filling office towers.

But Facebook has more than 4,000 employees in its offices in Manhattan now, up from about 2,900 employees at the beginning of the year.

The company’s new office spaces in Manhattan, at the Farley Building and further west at Hudson Yards, could allow Facebook to move another 8,500 workers to the city. The deal at Hudson Yards, signed late last year, includes 1.5 million square feet in three buildings.

ESysyn Aug 4, 2020 9:21 PM

Does this mean that 15 penn plaza is still happening?

citybooster Aug 5, 2020 7:03 AM

The discussion seems to imply Madison Square Garden won't be moved. They have a lease only through 2023. That would be a perfect time to END it, and there is no reason why the Dolans need to be so indulged and pampered. There is NOTHING that should warrant an further expansion of that lease. The best opportunity for the Penn Station remodeling itself, now that Farley is that much closer to formally opening and looks great, is to push Madison Square Garden westward. Certainly lose the theater and anything else disrupting the connection to the streetscape with the station.


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