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are we really expecting 20k crowds for minor league soccer? the sox dont even draw that on average
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that's how they ended up at toyota park. they were willing to do anything (like sign a 30 year lease) and go ANYWHERE (like the middle of nowhere wilderness of bridgeview) to get their own soccer-specific stadium. in hindsight, what a bone-headed mistake that was. |
i dunno, i do recall disputes around the fact that the field was torn up after Fire games and the bears definitely werent sorry to see them go. is there any reason they couldnt just come back to Soldier Field after their lease is up?
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I take it you've never been to Wrigley Field or the Lincoln Yards site or both...Stevie Wonder could see they are vastly different. |
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The North Branch framework plan also calls for additional bridges, more lanes and improved transit access for the surrounding area. |
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This is what it looks like to me - Lincoln Yards has: Blue Line Red Line Brown Line 2 Metra Lines Water Taxi 606 Next to Expressway 20,000 fewer seats than Wrigley 135,000 people living within a 20 minute walk Wrigley Field has: Red Line Proper street grid 135,000 people living within a 20 minute walk Toyota Park has: A big parking lot 20,000 people living within a 20 minute walk In addition to that, we don't even know all of the infrastructure and road improvements that Sterling Bay has in mind for the site. How can people argue that Lincoln Yards is not well connected by transit but Wrigley Field or Toyota Park is? |
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Meh, can't say I'm really too excited about a 2nd rank soccer facility to be a centerpiece of the LY development likely with a lot of exposed concrete. Would rather have open park space or smaller scale programming that will be used more than 40 days per year 3hours at a time.
I look at the development of the riverfront a bit as a mini-version of the lakefront. And if we could do it all over again I wouldn't have Soldier Field sit right on the lake. |
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As part of the planning process for anything in this city, people get so hung up on the details of traffic, parking and transportation. Well traffic and lack of parking are inherent “problems” of dense urban areas. And the transportation bit can come later if it’s needed. The fact this facility will be embedded between two very populated areas means they’ll get quite a few people (including families) walking there. You also got bikeshare, buses and a not-so-far walk to the brown line. Perhaps some garages on-site for office workers can handle limited parking after hours for those that choose to drive. I realize there’s no direct connections to the proposed stadium, but a 10-15 minute walk is something people can usually deal with. It’s at least a more pleasant walk than crossing acres of asphalt at most stadiums. |
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The only viable one for people on a routine basis without getting too upset is the Brown/Purple at Armitage is a half mile away. Still though you couldn't even really say that stop "serves" the development, it's just far enough that it's a pain in the ass to walk back and forth for it if you're doing it every day. Sure, for some it would be fine, it would be fine with me, but if you're looking at a massive multi-use development with thousands or tens of thousands of people coming in - Armitage is just a handy thing to have nearby - it isn't close enough to officially "serve" this development. Blue and Red lines - yeah you can do it, but they're both 1+ miles away. It's possible and people can and will, but I wouldn't sell the development, stadium or to any Amazon workers as being served by the Blue or Red. Big stretch if you're trying to convince people this is totally handy to use every day. At this point you have people that will do it, and then a TON of people who will just say screw it and grab an uber because that mile to mile and a half at the end is just a bit too much after getting to the train and riding it as well. I REALLY hope they do the downtown connector or transitway or some other form of official, FREQUENT, rail service directly to the heart of the development. The L lines can augment it for people that live in the city, but still those coming on the blue or red are going to roll their eyes at that mile walk through a random neighborhood just to get to the edges of the huge development. In a world class city it should have direct service - I hope they build that! |
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Blue Line and the Brown are each more than a mile's walk. Metra is the closest at a half mile and Red line at 3/4. The water taxi is a joke. The 606 doesn't get there The Expressway if precisely why it is an auto-centric project and There are currently about 40,000 people in a one mile radius of LY. If they max out the MLA for the LY acreage it might reach 75000. |
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Yeah, this location really isn't all that bad for transit. The narrative here by most that it is has always been silly to me, but I've never seen anyone else raise the issue so I just decided to not die on that hill.
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