A photo from the Palmer Conner collection at the Huntington Digital Library, depicting an "East Los Angeles, old Victorian in decay."

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psbefeeebe.jpgHDL

Not much info to go on for location, but I think I accidentally stumbled upon it while driving around in the Google mobile:

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psca044bcf.jpgGSV

It's the southeast corner of Avenue 21 & Vallejo Street in Lincoln Heights. Though the main house in the photo is long gone, compare the house at far left in the Palmer Conner shot with the green house in the Google street view. Looks to be the same house, just with a more John-Deereish paint job. :haha:
And, sorry I couldn't screen shot the GSV from closer to where the original photo was taken - that tree in the middle of my screen shot obscures the house from that angle.

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See above. If anyone can provide directions to completely remove a post it would be greatly appreciated as the on-site instructions did not yield a successful outcome.

Thanks,
Jack

PE Mount Lowe Ads
 

Thanks, Flyingwedge for posting, and Longrifle for the link to the photo showing the Mount Lowe advertisement at the north portal of the Pacific Electric Hill Street Tunnel.

A similar advertisement once graced the south abutment of the PE over crossing of the Southern Pacific Railroad's Sunset Route along Valley Boulevard. The Company saw the abutment as a perfect venue for an advertisement for their Mount Lowe excursions and the supporting hotel and tavern. It offered the enticement of a Southern California mountain adventure to automobile drivers on Valley Boulevard and to the patrons of passing SP passenger trains as well.

Believe it or not, there was a time when the taggers in East Los Angeles had respect for a bit of history. Although surrounded, if you will, his advertisement for the long vanished Mount Lowe line survived into the early 1970's unfazed by the gang graffiti that was rapidly covering the walls throughout the city. Unfortunately, the respect for history would not last. By mid decade the writing was, "on the wall" and another bit of history had been all but obliterated.

My photo dates from 1971.

Cheers,
Jack

[IMG]http://[URL=http://s1315.photobucket.com/user/jgn151/media/Mt_Lowe_Ad_zps0f8af57a.jpg.html]http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0f8af57a.jpg[/URL][/IMG]

Very nice "F" series, looks like southern pacific livery..

Billy Sunday and Douglas Fairbanks
 

[IMG]http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/t...s697b492a.jpeg[/IMG]
From family album. My Grandfather is shaking the hand of Billy Sunday, Douglas Fairbanks is other ball player. The event was honoring WW1 Marines in Hollywood. Anybody have an idea where they were playing?

Hill St. and Sunset / Mt. Lowe
 

Your photo is awesome W-W!

Here's a closer view of the Mt. Lowe ad from the 1958 photo I posted; perhaps the right panel also said Marvelous Panoramic Views:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original

Speaking of Mt. Lowe:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...9.jpg~original
From Los Angeles Then and Now (Geo. Rice and Sons, 1897) @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgs...=1190;orient=3

A somewhat random sampling of previous posts on Mt. Lowe:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=745
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=5890
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6653
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7002
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10262

For more:
http://www.mountlowe.org/
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Mt_Lowe_Railway.html

# # #

I found another view of the Sunset/Hill intersection, dated July 23, 1961. The source identifies the brick building as the Croyden Apartments @ 620 W. Sunset and the larger building behind
it as the LA School District HQ at 450 N. Grand. The Hill St. tunnel portal was just off the left edge of the photo:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/7936/rec/2

The concrete wall at the base of what is now N. Hill Place is the same, as is the railing above it and at least the base of the streetlight (and Sunset is now Cesar Chavez Ave):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...b.jpg~original
GSV

The School District HQ has been replaced by the Ramon C. Cortines School for Visual and Performing Arts. The block is bounded by the 101 at top left, Cesar Chavez at bottom right, and
Hill and Grand at lower left and upper right, respectively. Above the lower right corner, N. Hill Place hits Cesar Chavez from the north/right, with the southern end of N. Hill Place coming
down from the other side to meet Cesar Chavez:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...f.jpg~original
Bing

Washington Park I or II
 

That's a great photo HG. Fairbanks is wearing a Vernon Tigers uniform, but I don't know about Sunday's uniform. Your grandfather was tall!

If the photo was taken no later than 1920, it appears they're playing in Washington Park (I), south of Washington Blvd and between Grand and Main. But if the photo was taken
after 1920, it would be Washington Park (II), which was a couple hundred feet southeast of Washington Park (I).

Washington Park (I) vs. Washington Park (II): http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=19307

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...ideflipped.jpg


ER--With your image flipped, you can better see that it shows the Henry Hancock ranch house at the tar pits:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...ncockhouse.jpg

Seen here earlier: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8910


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics31/00065363.jpgLAPL


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8914
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8915

Hotel Snow looking overwhelmed by it all.
 

The very definition of standing on the edge.

Beaudry posted this beauty very early in the thread...

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2876/1...ae07f035_o.jpg
Looking east on Sunset Boulevard at Grand Avenue, 1955

Croydon Apartments on the right at 620 Sunset Boulevard, Chevy panel truck is turning onto Hill Street as it comes down off of Fort Moore Hill.

NLA Beaudry

A night at the movies.....
 

Jack, thanks for your nice reply.....I'm a bit sensitive to this issue for a personal reason.
My brother and I were taken one night to a movie at the Glendale Alex Theatre by our babysitter. The movie was a Disney feature and an animated live-action film called Bill and Coo. It was a bizarre film about birds, yet strangely fascinating.

After the film, we were crossing the street when a 16 year old drunk driver plowed through us in the crosswalk [driving his first -day, brand new Pontiac]. Many people were sprawled on the pavement...popcorn was everywhere. I was tossed around but not injured. My older brother was injured and taken by ambulance to the hospital. There were some serious injuries for others. Fortunately my brother only had some cuts and bruises.

Our mother was furious that the babysitter had taken us to a movie without her permission. She called the local newspapers and pleaded for them not to name us in any story as we were hiding from her violent former husband [ there was a warrant out for his arrest concerning a bloody assault on her father]. The papers printed our names anyway and my mother promptly received a hostile call from her former husband's relative. The woman caller inquired, sneeringly asking, "Are the little boys alright?". My mother was not amused. Later that same night my brother and I were driven 60 miles east of Glendale to stay with relatives for the remainder of that year....and hopefully out of harms way.

Who would have thought that an evening at the movies could have turned into a nightmare.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps8a611e21.jpgLobby Cards images

A short clip of the movie....


http://youtu.be/Ppkea9nH0mY

There is a picture in the Water and Power collection taken from a different angle which shows the "Over the Waves" Lunch and the larger, gabled, half-timbered building. This was taken in about 1920, looking from south to north and is labeled "Vista Tea Room Santa Monica". The electric tram is seen in front of the gabled buiding. I can't get pictures to post or I would add it here. Some of you more capable people will be able to find it and put it in, I'm sure.

UPDATE:
Another picture dated 1924, in Santa Monica, shows the building with the gables. It is an aerial view and is labeled Santa Monica Pier. The pier, Roller Coaster and a corner of the still existing carousel building (Looff Hippodrome) are visible to the left side of the picture. The gabled building is now gone, replaced by a parking lot, of course.

:previous:

Here's the first picture you mention. It's originally from the LAPL collection.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...taTeaRooms.jpg
LAPL

City Councilman Ernest [Eugene] Debs. No relation to the controversial Gubernatorial candidate, Eugene Debs, was quietly controversial in his own way concerning the shape of LA. He pushed for Beverly Hills and Laurel Canyon Freeways and attempted to stifle the so-called 60's youth movement. Per Wiki, not surprisingly, Debs' political career touched many NLA topics, including the Black Dahlia, Pandora's Box and Century City. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_E._Debs



1951, Debs (on left) was part of City Council's tribute to Louella Parsons.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics34/00036802.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...20242130.2.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...20242130.2.jpg http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...20242130.2.jpg






1954 - Councilman Debs pictured with arguably subversive publications. http://boards.collectors-society.com...092080&fpart=3
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...cilman1954.jpghttp://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...cilman1954.jpg





1962, the "New" Hall of Records. Board of Supervisor's Chairman Debs officiated the dedication ceremony.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042925.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics46/00042925.jpg


1970 - Frankenstein's Monster breaks barricade to Hollywood Freeway-Lankershim Blvd. access ramp. Among those present, Elena Verdugo of "Marcus Welby M.D." and Mr. Debs. (Was Frankenstein's Monster or similar characters ever depicted in comic books?) (The fact that Marcus Welby was portrayed by Robert Young, who is a famous Abraham Lincoln HS alum, is probably best reserved for another post. ;))
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058638.jpg



A park bears Councilman/Supervisor Debs' name.
http://www.debspark.org/images/fig1.gifhttp://www.debspark.org/images/fig1.gif



http://photos.imageevent.com/andrews...e/DSC01359.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/andrews...e/DSC01359.jpg

weather stripping ad.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/20/9tsk.jpgebay

We haven't seen many nightclubs on West Adams Street.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/837/s0ed.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/33/3wll.jpg
ebay

Debs—de River—Chloe Davis


What a puss for an 11-year-old girl.... It seems that we've never run across Chloe Davis here before:


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520PM.bmp.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...2520PM.bmp.jpg
LAT Apr 4, 1940 x2/Apr


She may have been exonerated, but it seems there was always suspicions about her. The house is gone....

The story is told here in detail in four parts:
http://criminalconduct.blogspot.com/...l#.Ux9sEPmwI7s

Apparently Chloe grew up to have three husbands, marrying the last three months before she died in Indianapolis in 1987.


De River is a piece of work himself. Seems he started out as a plastic surgeon. After the Dahlia event, there is a suggestion that whatever he knew about the story was quashed by a corrupt LAPD...


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J...erivernose.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520PM.bmp.jpg
LATimes May 13, 1924/March 31, 1950


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...2520PM.bmp.jpg

De Rivers's book, so offensive to Debs, is still available at Amazon.

[QUOTE=CityBoyDoug;6488414]Jack, thanks for your nice reply.....I'm a bit sensitive to this issue for a personal reason.
My brother and I were taken one night to a movie at the Glendale Alex Theatre by our babysitter. The movie was a Disney feature and an animated live-action film called Bill and Coo. It was a bizarre film about birds, yet strangely fascinating.

After the film, we were crossing the street when a 16 year old drunk driver plowed through us in the crosswalk [driving his first -day, brand new Pontiac]. Many people were sprawled on the pavement...popcorn was everywhere. I was tossed around but not injured. My older brother was injured and taken by ambulance to the hospital. There were some serious injuries for others. Fortunately my brother only had some cuts and bruises.

Our mother was furious that the babysitter had taken us to a movie without her permission. She called the local newspapers and pleaded for them not to name us in any story as we were hiding from her violent former husband [ there was a warrant out for his arrest concerning a bloody assault on her father]. The papers printed our names anyway and my mother promptly received a hostile call from her former husband's relative. The woman caller inquired, sneeringly asking, "Are the little boys alright?". My mother was not amused. Later that same night my brother and I were driven 60 miles east of Glendale to stay with relatives for the remainder of that year....and hopefully out of harms way.

Who would have thought that an evening at the movies could have turned into a nightmare.

Doug, I can see why you would be very sensitive to the placement of the loading zone after your experience. The Bill and Coo clip is as you say, strangely fascinating and you must have been in good spirits after exiting the Alex but the accident ruined that in an instant. Moreover, I am sure it all comes back every time you pass the theater today.

Thanks for the explanation.

Cheers,
Jack

After searching the USC Digital Library for pictures of The Club Lounge on West Adams, I could only find one of its neighbors. The building on the northwest corner of South Hill and West Adams is seen here in 1929. The 1929 CD has an entry for the Hill-Adams Pharmacy at 2535 South Hill.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...illWAdams1.jpg
USC Digital Library

A better view of the entrance. It looks like the traffic signal has been caught mid-change.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Detail of picture above.

On the lamp post there's a sign for Wrigley Field.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...illWAdams3.jpg
Detail of picture above.

The signage hides it well, but it looks like the building still stands. The house on the left also looks the same.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...illWAdams4.jpg
GSV

The brickwork and decorations are still visible at the north end, but it looks like it's lost a foot or two off the height.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...illWAdams5.jpg
GSV

While I was looking for pictures, I noticed Google Maps-like indicators at the top of the USC's thumbnails. Clicking on one of them brings up a Google Maps view showing where all the locatable pictures on the current page were taken. I haven't spent much time playing with this feature yet, but it promises to be very handy.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...illWAdams6.jpg