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Mr Downtown Dec 20, 2009 12:08 AM

^I think the problem was that Lake Point Tower was worried that people could step from the new overpass onto their private rooftop garden.

ardecila Dec 20, 2009 6:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 4615282)
^I think the problem was that Lake Point Tower was worried that people could step from the new overpass onto their private rooftop garden.

That was indeed the problem. LPT residents were also concerned about receiving some privacy and sound protection on their terrace. Lake Shore Drive traffic has whizzed by for years, and the construction of this flyover finally affords an opportunity to erect a sound wall for little additional cost. On the portions of the flyover that don't butt up to LPT's podium, there needs to be a dense system of slats for safety reasons - every 4" or less, by code. I guess CDOT felt that chainlink wasn't appropriate, so they designed this more substantial block.

ChicagoChicago Dec 20, 2009 9:57 PM

http://chicagojournal.com/News/12-16...point_on_trail

Quote:

Around $9 million in federal transportation dollars paid for the initial design phase of the flyover, said Brian Steele, a spokesman for the Chicago Department of Transportation.
$9mm to design the thing? That's friggin absurd.

Busy Bee Dec 20, 2009 10:52 PM

More than absurd—it's probably criminal.

VivaLFuego Dec 21, 2009 6:30 AM

Sidenote: CDOT awarded a $25.2 million contract to FH Paschen for construction of the Morgan/Lake L station on December 15.

pottebaum Dec 22, 2009 9:02 PM

The CTA just launched a bus tracker by text:

http://www.transitchicago.com/riding...ackertext.aspx

Awesome!

Mr Downtown Dec 23, 2009 3:03 AM

Some pictures of the bowling-alley seating in the 5000s.

http://menaceofprivilege.com/wp-cont...52-300x225.jpg
Chuck Metalitz

Nowhereman1280 Dec 23, 2009 3:15 AM

Lol at that and the comments. "They aren't going to be comfortable wahhhh". Well when the train is as packed as it has gotten as of late, I'd rather get on than be comfortable... Higher capacity is a huge plus...

ChicagoChicago Dec 23, 2009 3:51 PM

That new seating configuration is the most pragmatic, especially for the blue line where the first 5000s are going. Anyone who has ever tried to navigate their luggage on the train knows that the current seat configurations just don't work.

Oh, and London's tube is set up the same way...but what the hell do they know about mass transit...

spyguy Dec 23, 2009 4:11 PM

http://www.hpherald.com/lfoindex.html

Tattered 35th Street bridge to be replaced
by Sam Cholke


The Chicago Plan Commission approved the replacement of the 35th Street pedestrian bridge and plans for a harbor at 31st Street at its Dec. 17 meeting.

...Construction of a new $16-million suspension bridge is expected to begin in fall 2010, after federal funding is secured, and take a year to finish.
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http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7...eetbridge2.jpg
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8...eetbridge1.jpg

Baronvonellis Dec 23, 2009 5:39 PM

Lawrence Ave Streetscaping and Lane Reductions

http://www.ward47.com/site/files/160...e_Presentation

They are going to reduce the lanes on Lawrence Ave between Western and Ashland from 4 lanes to 3, adding bike lanes, and center pedestrian islands for crossing the street. With 2 lanes each direction and a center turning lane. This will make it really nice for pedestrians crossing Lawrence since right now it's like playing frogger other than at major intersections. But it might slow down traffic.

I've always wondered why Lawrence is 4 lanes just between Western and Ashland and 2 lanes the rest. :shrug:

Busy Bee Dec 23, 2009 7:04 PM

Bridge

Some ten years of talking about it—something's finally going to happen. Merry Christmas!

OhioGuy Dec 23, 2009 11:06 PM

Good. I used to live along that stretch of Lawrence and I support any attemps at creating a more pedestrian friendly environment.

the urban politician Dec 29, 2009 5:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baronvonellis (Post 4620390)
Lawrence Ave Streetscaping and Lane Reductions

http://www.ward47.com/site/files/160...e_Presentation

They are going to reduce the lanes on Lawrence Ave between Western and Ashland from 4 lanes to 3, adding bike lanes, and center pedestrian islands for crossing the street. With 2 lanes each direction and a center turning lane. This will make it really nice for pedestrians crossing Lawrence since right now it's like playing frogger other than at major intersections. But it might slow down traffic.

I've always wondered why Lawrence is 4 lanes just between Western and Ashland and 2 lanes the rest. :shrug:

^ Just reviewed the document. Looks like a good project.

It's good to see that cities are beginning to come to their senses (slowly) and undo some of the post-war streetscaping that ignored the pedestrian altogether

lawfin Dec 30, 2009 6:45 PM

Will Metra stations meet their promise?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,5347768.story

from the article

"On the North Side, state Rep. Harry Osterman, D-Chicago, said an additional $10 million from the state capital bill should suffice for now. He wants the station at Peterson and Ridge avenues to have ample parking and a design that's "a nice fit for the community."

The station would be an added stop on the Union Pacific North line that runs from downtown Chicago to Kenosha, Wis. It would help ease heavy traffic between the city and suburbs, especially the bottleneck at Ridge, said Osterman, who has advocated for a new station for at least five years.

"It's going to create another public transportation that would be an asset for people in the community," he said. "My strong belief is the ridership will be there, and over a period of time it will be one of the most used stations."

Though it will take at least three years for the station to be built, Osterman said, "it will be well worth the wait." "

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This sounds particularly ominous......ample parking....just what that stretch of the northside needs is another traffic driver. It sounds as if Osterman is more interested in catering to would be car commuters from the suburbs or far flung neighborhoods that in creating a dense economic driver that is what is required for economic development

This station I think is well intended but ill-placed and it sounds like maybe ill-conceived. I would replace the Lunt station with one at Howard and one at Devon; but that is unlikely. Critical to the success of this proposed station as an economic driver will be proper design /development priorities and integration into and for the surrounding community. If as Mr. Osterman seems to desire there is "ample parking" the end result will be a potentially worse outcome than the status quo. The parking lots necessary will devalue surrounding land and crowd out and ultimately dissuade more intense economic uses. ie those focused on providing the surrounding community with services which it can use throughout the day as opposed to a weigh station for car commuters who will not spend time / money in the neighborhood. This station is designed as Mr. Osterman seems to indicate is his preferred choice has the potential to develop into little more than a "kiss-and-ride" style station; instead of the transit oriented nexus it could become. If designed as such the traffic intensity in that area will worsen as people will be lured by the ease of parking who otherwise may use an alternate transport method to get to the station or to their terminus. It essentially becomes transformed into a traffic driver without the added benefit of also being an economic driver.

This station incidentally is one of the reasons why I am so annoyed about the development choices along Western Ave. north of Peterson to Granville...ie car-topia style Walgreens and such. The Peterson / Western stop is a 5-6 minute bus ride to this proposed station. Development within such a close boundary should be focused on the ease of transit access, not auto-centric stly development. The zoning is in place, if I am not mistake it is c2-2 which given the accompanying lot sizes of the available parcels along Western Ave would allow buildings with commercial / retail on the first floor and residential above to the tune of 5 stories or so.

These types of decisions are precisely why this region needs a more unified transit / land use authority to overcome the balkanized decentralization of power that plagues the Chicago metro area.

brian_b Dec 30, 2009 8:26 PM

... dupe from general development thread ...

BVictor1 Dec 30, 2009 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyguy (Post 4620250)
http://www.hpherald.com/lfoindex.html

Tattered 35th Street bridge to be replaced
by Sam Cholke


The Chicago Plan Commission approved the replacement of the 35th Street pedestrian bridge and plans for a harbor at 31st Street at its Dec. 17 meeting.

...Construction of a new $16-million suspension bridge is expected to begin in fall 2010, after federal funding is secured, and take a year to finish.
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http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7...eetbridge2.jpg
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8...eetbridge1.jpg


I got the chance to speak for this beauty at plan commission a few weeks ago. I told the TENG guy well, the plan commission in general that I hope that this is a project that TENG could actually complete. There was a chuckle around the chambers. Here are a few more images that I took for this project.

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...5%3C5324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...5%3C6324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...94648324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...5%3C7324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...94652324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...99335324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...34%3A324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...99256324nu0mrj

http://images.photo1.walgreens.com/2...3A947324nu0mrj

the urban politician Dec 30, 2009 9:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawfin (Post 4628334)
This sounds particularly ominous......ample parking....just what that stretch of the northside needs is another traffic driver. It sounds as if Osterman is more interested in catering to would be car commuters from the suburbs or far flung neighborhoods that in creating a dense economic driver that is what is required for economic development

^ I hear ya, but remember that Osterman can only get the station built, he can't dictate what kind of development goes up around it. That's the job of zoning, developers, and (sigh...) the Aldermen. Besides, having parking at a Metra station does not necessarily preclude urban, walkable design--think Arlington Heights' Metra stop.

And when you sit there and let developers do what they do best, sometimes things go right--even in Chicago. The condo boom of 1999-2008 was clear evidence of that.

J_M_Tungsten Dec 30, 2009 10:12 PM

Whats the area like where this new bridge is being built? I dont make it down that way often, the renderings look nice though.

Busy Bee Dec 30, 2009 10:54 PM

That bridge looks fantastic. I really like the looks of the planned West Approach entrance.

ChicagoChicago Dec 31, 2009 12:38 AM

So this suspension bridge at 35th St is going to cost $16mm, and the pedway over the river is going to cost $40mm? I smell bullshit.

ardecila Dec 31, 2009 5:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoChicago (Post 4628896)
So this suspension bridge at 35th St is going to cost $16mm, and the pedway over the river is going to cost $40mm? I smell bullshit.

*sigh* The Streeterville bridge can't have any center supports, like the 35th bridge does, and it has to be high enough to permit larger tour boats to pass at all times, and MOVABLE, to allow sailboats to pass during spring and fall.

ChicagoChicago Dec 31, 2009 3:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4629253)
*sigh* The Streeterville bridge can't have any center supports, like the 35th bridge does, and it has to be high enough to permit larger tour boats to pass at all times, and MOVABLE, to allow sailboats to pass during spring and fall.

I suppose you're one of the ones that believe it cost $9mm to design as well...

No center support for what, the stretch between Grand and Illinois? That is maybe 50 feet more than the distance over the rail tracks.

emathias Dec 31, 2009 8:31 PM

Maybe this was already posted here and I missed it, but in case that's not the case, the CTA has posted a "Red and Purple Line Vision Study" page on TransitChicago.com.

It appears to be their project to prepare to get funding for a renovation of what I've seen commonly called the "North Main" tracks, plus all the rest of the Purple Line tracks to Linden, and they had public meetings about it at four sites on the North Side and Evanston the week after Thanksgiving. Looks interesting.

EDIT: On the first PDF, page 10, there is a column that says "Population w/in 1 mi." for each station. I think that means within 1/4 mile, because on the other PDFs, with station details, they show satellite images with 1/4-mile radius circles superimposed on the stations.

BVictor1 Dec 31, 2009 9:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoChicago (Post 4629677)
I suppose you're one of the ones that believe it cost $9mm to design as well...

No center support for what, the stretch between Grand and Illinois? That is maybe 50 feet more than the distance over the rail tracks.

There's more engineering involved for the pedestrian flyover bridge. Also, I believe that the flyover is 2 seperate branches: one that follors the exit ramp that leads to Navy pier and one that follows LSD along the west side of Lake Point Tower.

Ardecila , will this flyover be attached to the LSD bridge that spans the river, or is it totally seperate?

ardecila Jan 1, 2010 3:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 4630160)
There's more engineering involved for the pedestrian flyover bridge. Also, I believe that the flyover is 2 seperate branches: one that follors the exit ramp that leads to Navy pier and one that follows LSD along the west side of Lake Point Tower.

Ardecila , will this flyover be attached to the LSD bridge that spans the river, or is it totally seperate?

Oh, ChicagoChicago definitely said "pedway", so I assumed he was talking about the pedestrian bridge over the river at McClurg that is mentioned in the Central Area Action Plan. My statement about the high cost is about THAT bridge.

The lakefront trail flyover, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter. $40 million is a pretty penny for that bridge, especially when there is ample lawns and greenspace in the area to use for staging. There will probably be traffic impacts, though, which are usually an indicator that construction will be expensive.

I'm not sure how far south the flyover project goes. A September Crain's article says that the project will expand the cantilevered sidewalk a few feet outward, and cut holes for the northbound lane through the bridge towers. But a more recent December article in Chicago Journal says that the flyover project will leave the bridge alone, and only go as far south as Ogden Slip.

After the first article, a section of the cantilevered sidewalk collapsed, forcing CDOT to shut down a northbound auto lane to detour the bike trail. It could be that CDOT crews uncovered structural issues with the original bridge that would prevent the sidewalk from being expanded safely, so they are just going to repair the existing sidewalk and reduce the scope of the flyover project.

nomarandlee Jan 4, 2010 5:30 AM

Quote:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...,2377858.story

South Side train service: Commuters want equal access to Metra's Electric stops and the South Shore Line
South Shore's trains to Chicago aren't allowed to pick up passengers in the city

By Richard Wronski

Tribune reporter

January 4, 2010

- Under a peculiarity of Chicago's mass-transit system, inbound South Shore trains aren't allowed to pick up passengers -- a long-standing policy that recently drew fire from activists who see it as an example of a disparity in public transportation........

- SOUL backs legislation introduced by state Sen. Kwame Raoul, D-Hyde Park, that would require commuter rail trains to stop and allow passengers to board and exit at all commuter rail stations........

- Metra points out that it has a different fare system than the South Shore, and that if it were to allow South Shore trains to stop at all its stations, it would affect the rest of Metra's schedule, especially its express trains.

The Electric District has about 170 daily trains, more than any other Metra line.

"If (South Shore) trains were to start stopping at all our stations, our trains would start stacking up," Metra spokeswoman Meg Reile said................

- Both the South Shore and Metra would agree to discuss the issue of additional service, officials say............

- One solution might come from the Regional Transportation Authority, which recently approved a $450,000 study to seek ways to improve transportation and access to jobs as well as spur economic activity on the South Side.

The South Lakefront Corridor Transit Study will be conducted by the Chicago Department of Transportation and will recommend one or two projects that could be candidates for federal transportation funding...........



rwronski@tribune.com
Copyright © 2010, Chicago Tribune
...

ardecila Jan 4, 2010 7:17 AM

Quote:

- One solution might come from the Regional Transportation Authority, which recently approved a $450,000 study to seek ways to improve transportation and access to jobs as well as spur economic activity on the South Side.

The South Lakefront Corridor Transit Study will be conducted by the Chicago Department of Transportation and will recommend one or two projects that could be candidates for federal transportation funding...........
Could this lead to an official Grey Line project? I'll be following this one...

Marcu Jan 4, 2010 6:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomarandlee (Post 4633424)
...

This article states that the South Side is the densest part of the city. That's not the case.

the urban politician Jan 4, 2010 8:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcu (Post 4633887)
This article states that the South Side is the densest part of the city. That's not the case.

^ Perhaps they meant the part of the city with the densest population of people who do not own cars or rely on mass transit?

I'm sure somebody here will know

the urban politician Jan 4, 2010 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4633511)
Could this lead to an official Grey Line project? I'll be following this one...

^ I was thinking the exact same thing :tup:

ardecila Jan 4, 2010 9:35 PM

The South Shore issue is a total red herring... but I understand South Siders' frustration with the ridiculous complexity of the Metra Electric. Even without the Grey Line (i.e. a transfer to CTA) the ME could still use some infrastructure improvements to simplify operations.

North of Kensington, mainline tracks 1 and 2 should be for frequent (~15 min headways) South Chicago and Blue Island trains. 3 and 4 should be for South Shore and University Park trains, operated at typical Metra frequencies.

South Chicago and Blue Island trains would operate at ~15 minute headways on the mainline, alternating to each branch. You could probably set it up so that every third train goes to Blue Island and the other two would go to South Chicago, giving the Blue Island branch ~45 minute headways and the South Chicago branch ~20 minute headways. On the branches and mainline, they would be local, making ALL stops - or they could continue to use the flag stop system at less patronized stops, or eliminate the less-patronized ones altogether.

Then you'd build some infill stations - one at 119th for a Red Line transfer, one at Lake Park Crescent (41st) and one at Lake Meadows (35th).

University Park trains would stop at only a handful of city stops north of Riverdale, near major destinations - at 119th (Red Line), 103rd (Olive-Harvey), 95th (Chicago State), 56th (U of C/Hyde Park), and 35th (Lake Meadows) - all built as 2 or 3-platform transfer stations.

A possible track 5, if CN relinquishes it, could be used for South Shore trains to allow them to bypass University Park trains in the peak-travel direction during rush hours. They would continue to run express to Hegewisch as they do now.

Track 6 would continue to be used by CN for their (limited) freight operations.

Busy Bee Jan 4, 2010 10:00 PM

Quote:

one at Lake Park Crescent (41st) and one at Lake Meadows (35th)
Or split the difference and put ONE station at Oakwood Blvd.

ardecila Jan 5, 2010 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 4634206)
Or split the difference and put ONE station at Oakwood Blvd.

Big development, on par with Central Station or Lakeshore East, is in the master plan for Lake Meadows. It should have a close and convenient station, at 35th or 31st - not the existing one at 27th, which no longer serves Michael Reese, and not one at Oakwood.

41st/Lake Park Crescent isn't high-density, so you could probably drop that one and replace it with one at 39th/Oakwood if you want. Either station would be a local station, but both make more sense than keeping 27th open. I just thought the "crescent" of Lake Park Crescent seems perfectly suited for a train station, like you find around a few Metra stations (eg Norwood Park). The #39 could go to either location pretty easily.

Mr Downtown Jan 5, 2010 3:28 AM

^The densest population of SOUL members.

emathias Jan 5, 2010 2:21 PM

Metra/RTA get sued

Riders to sue over minority transit 'disparities'
Quote:

African American and Hispanic CTA riders will file a class action lawsuit Wednesday alleging that Illinois' transit funding system "funnels a disproportionate share of capital and operating funding to Metra, resulting in wide service disparities between whites and minority riders," according to a press release.
...
While I really dislike these kinds of suits in general, I'm torn about this one because I don't think the disparity is racially motivated but I do think Metra gets a disproportionate amount of funding. But I also think the last thing we need right now is another city/suburbs battle.

the urban politician Jan 5, 2010 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emathias (Post 4635170)
Metra/RTA get sued

Riders to sue over minority transit 'disparities'


While I really dislike these kinds of suits in general, I'm torn about this one because I don't think the disparity is racially motivated but I do think Metra gets a disproportionate amount of funding. But I also think the last thing we need right now is another city/suburbs battle.

^ It's about time this issue is really tested at a higher (ie court) level, I guess, although I'll defer to some of the attorneys here to actually comment whether that's actually what will happen.

In the end, Metra and CTA both serve both the city and suburbs, with Metra being VERY important to downtown Chicago's economy. I think this is too complicated to easily tease it out as a city versus suburb thing.

On another less related note, what exactly does it do for some of the poorer African Americans and Latinos (obviously a generalization, since there are a lot of people in these ethnic groups who are highly educated and doing quite well) on the south and southwest sides to have better train service to downtown Chicago if the jobs downtown aren't even going to hire them? In other words, you can take a train to the Loop every day but if you don't have an MBA, a Law degree, or a degree in finance or computer programming what's the point? I can understand if the Loop was full of factories but....that's not the case. I think we need to focus less on blaming the CTA for our problems and instead focus on schools, lousy parenting, etc--the real roadblocks to upward mobility, Mr. Jackson & Guitierrez

Busy Bee Jan 5, 2010 4:37 PM

^I'm thinking its more of an issue of principle.

ChicagoChicago Jan 5, 2010 5:08 PM

^^^
I seriously doubt that this case will go anywhere. First of all, is there any precedent of class-action racial lawsuits based on demographics? What happens to the poor whites that live among the poor blacks on the South side? Are they SOL on this lawsuit because of the color of their skin?

I'm not saying that Metra/CTA don't discriminate, but they sure as hell don't do it based on race. It's based on neighborhoods and income.

the urban politician Jan 5, 2010 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoChicago (Post 4635357)
^^^
I seriously doubt that this case will go anywhere. First of all, is there any precedent of class-action racial lawsuits based on demographics? What happens to the poor whites that live among the poor blacks on the South side? Are they SOL on this lawsuit because of the color of their skin?
.

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002...garity_001.jpg

^ All 50 of them?

I think a case based on race can definitely be made.

Marcu Jan 5, 2010 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoChicago (Post 4635357)
^^^
I seriously doubt that this case will go anywhere. First of all, is there any precedent of class-action racial lawsuits based on demographics? What happens to the poor whites that live among the poor blacks on the South side? Are they SOL on this lawsuit because of the color of their skin?

Yes there is precedent. They're making a disparate impact claim. They don't need to show intent or exclusivity of harms, just that certain groups are disproportionately harmed. I doubt the suit will go anywhere, but it's by no means unprecedented.

ChicagoChicago Jan 5, 2010 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcu (Post 4635394)
Yes there is precedent. They're making a disparate impact claims. They don't need to show intent or exclusivity of harms, just that certain groups are disproportionately harmed. I doubt the suit will go anywhere, but it's by no means unprecedented.

Lovely. I hope they win and it solves all their problems.

ChicagoChicago Jan 5, 2010 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 4635388)
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002...garity_001.jpg

^ All 50 of them?

I think a case based on race can definitely be made.

I supposed Jackson and Guitierrez don't represent whites though.

ardecila Jan 6, 2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoChicago (Post 4635357)
It's based on neighborhoods and income.

It's based on a lot of different things. How about the fact that 2/3 of Chicago's population lives in the suburbs? Suburbanites are totally justified in arguing that, since they are numerically greater, they deserve the bigger piece of the pie, regardless of income. And since many inner-ring and south suburbs, and satellite cities, now have sizable impoverished minority populations, and the city now has more wealthy people than ever, you can no longer make some sort of simplified argument about rich white suburbs and poor black city. On the other hand, CTA continues to provide far more transit trips than Metra and Pace combined. Since the city is set up for transit, city-dwellers use it more often.

Metra is a completely different animal than CTA. For the most part, it is not subject to capricious and self-interested minority politicians, or Chicago politics in general, being managed largely by suburbanites and disconnected from the machine.

This means that service levels are set like a commuter railroad (which it is) instead of a urban metro system (which it's not). You won't get trains coming every 10 minutes except maybe during rush hour at busier stations.

They don't own most of their lines, so they have freight railroads picking up part of the tab for regular maintenance, which isn't too onerous anyway since Metra is a "dumb" railroad with no power supply systems and simple signaling.

The lack of a heavy maintenance expense means that Metra is free to sink money into, shall we say, 'cosmetic' improvements - keeping their cars shiny, spotless, and perennially new, as well as replacing and/or renovating older stations at a steady pace. Its stations are also controlled often by the municipalities they are in, so each town makes it a point of pride to have a nice Metra station, and uses their tax dollars for this purpose. In the city, CDOT is responsible for nearly every CTA station and has very limited funding that cannot possibly cover renovations of all the stations that need it, in a timely manner. (They're getting close, though - only the North Main needs to be modernized.)

Metra's advantages make it seem like it has better service, but when you actually look at things, it provides far more inconvenient service. Off-peak trains come hourly, if you're lucky enough to live on a busier line. Platforms are outdoors. There are no subsidized transfers to CTA or Pace buses. It only makes sense if you work downtown. For all other trips, it usually costs more than driving and provides little to no travel time improvement.

I can't be sure, but it always seems like Metra gets a better value for its capital money than CTA. Makes me wonder how much Chicago-style sweetheart deals are going on behind the scenes at CTA. (Wow, I sound like John Kass...)

ardecila Jan 6, 2010 11:06 AM

^ While writing the above post, a thought occurred to me.

Any improvements on the North Main Line (i.e. the 'North Red/Purple Vision Study) won't provide any serious increase in capacity. The stations can already handle 8-car trains, so there's no rationale like there was for the Brown Line. I guess you could build side platforms at some stations to turn the Purple Line into a bonafide express service like New York's, but that seems unlikely.

So is it CTA's plan to eventually request New Starts money for the North Main rehab, and hope that the Obama-LaHood connection is enough to overcome the fact that the project would add no new service? I guess Chicago did the same thing for the Douglas and Green Line rehabs, neither of which increased capacity and in fact probably lowered it due to station closures. But it bothers me that Federal tax money might go to pay for Chicagoland's failure to maintain the stations and viaducts.

Marcu Jan 6, 2010 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4636782)
^ While writing the above post, a thought occurred to me.

Any improvements on the North Main Line (i.e. the 'North Red/Purple Vision Study) won't provide any serious increase in capacity. The stations can already handle 8-car trains, so there's no rationale like there was for the Brown Line. I guess you could build side platforms at some stations to turn the Purple Line into a bonafide express service like New York's, but that seems unlikely.

So is it CTA's plan to eventually request New Starts money for the North Main rehab, and hope that the Obama-LaHood connection is enough to overcome the fact that the project would add no new service? I guess Chicago did the same thing for the Douglas and Green Line rehabs, neither of which increased capacity and in fact probably lowered it due to station closures. But it bothers me that Federal tax money might go to pay for Chicagoland's failure to maintain the stations and viaducts.

Any rehab will have to result in added service if for no other reason then to give politicians some talking points. I'm guessing the purple line will indeed become full time express.

Busy Bee Jan 6, 2010 4:06 PM

Thats a good thing then.

emathias Jan 6, 2010 4:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 4636782)
...
Any improvements on the North Main Line (i.e. the 'North Red/Purple Vision Study) won't provide any serious increase in capacity. The stations can already handle 8-car trains, so there's no rationale like there was for the Brown Line. I guess you could build side platforms at some stations to turn the Purple Line into a bonafide express service like New York's, but that seems unlikely.
...

I don't have a problem with the Feds paying for it. We pay taxes, things need to be replaced sometimes, and that includes even well-maintained viaducts.

That said, here are my hopes for the vision study:
  • CTA gets serious about motivating the City to zone for TOD developments near their stations. Motivated by, but not limited to stations in the Vision Study area. This, more than any other single item, will boost CTA ridership over the long term. Stations that get improved express service (see next item) should get zoning around them close to downtown levels of density with low (in my dreams, even no) levels of required parking.
  • Purple Line turns into a full-time express line every 10 minutes and, coupled with the Locally Preferred Alternative of the Circle Line, gets routed on the current Red Line tracks at Belmont and into the State Street subway, adding stops at Loyola and Wilson, maybe at Sheridan (if coupled with strong TOD zoning encouragement), but skipping Wellington and Diversey.
  • Yellow Line takes over rush hour express service running on current Purple Line route into the Loop on the Brown Line tracks.
  • Extension (or at least design) of rebuilt stations to support 10-car trains (tracks at Howard, Belmont and Fullerton were all already built to support easy extension to 10-car platforms in the future, and most, if not all, of the subway stations can support 10-car trains), coupled with extension to 10-car platforms of all stations, including the Dan Ryan ones, timed with the extension of the Dan Ryan line to 130th.
  • Improved viaduct design that results in higher clearances under the tracks. Could be used in the future for double-decker buses, which are shown to improve ridership in other cities, and take up less space in traffic. How much better would Michigan Ave rush hours be with no articulated buses taking up so much extra length?

sukwoo Jan 6, 2010 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by emathias (Post 4637011)
I don't have a problem with the Feds paying for it. We pay taxes, things need to be replaced sometimes, and that includes even well-maintained viaducts.

That said, here are my hopes for the vision study:
  • CTA gets serious about motivating the City to zone for TOD developments near their stations. Motivated by, but not limited to stations in the Vision Study area. This, more than any other single item, will boost CTA ridership over the long term. Stations that get improved express service (see next item) should get zoning around them close to downtown levels of density with low (in my dreams, even no) levels of required parking.

Is there really a significant constituency in favor of upzoning around CTA stations? The pessimistic side of me says no.

the urban politician Jan 6, 2010 4:59 PM

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Originally Posted by emathias (Post 4637011)
CTA gets serious about motivating the City to zone for TOD developments near their stations. Motivated by, but not limited to stations in the Vision Study area. This, more than any other single item, will boost CTA ridership over the long term. Stations that get improved express service (see next item) should get zoning around them close to downtown levels of density with low (in my dreams, even no) levels of required parking.

^ The CTA has already done this.

It was posted a page or two back.

We'll see how far it goes. As long as we have Aldermanic Prerogative, though, that throws a wrench in the situation


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