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riichkay Feb 18, 2021 8:04 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
artsy.net

For a change I'm posting a non-Ruscha image, but it's close, as the photo is by Dennis Hopper, Ed's good friend and patron....La Cienega Blvd. at Rosewood Ave., looking south....the Norm's restaurant is just out of frame on the left....undated but likely around 1960.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

The Sydney's and the building with the "Tax" sign are gone.

sopas ej Feb 18, 2021 3:39 PM

:previous:

Wow, that billboard mounting/scaffolding thingy on top of that roof looks like it's the same one from the older photo.

Bristolian Feb 18, 2021 4:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9193638)
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Let's take one last look at the 1959 slide for comparison.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ROCjrq.jpg
eBay

Such a shame.


I'm finished beating this horse.
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Forget it, e_r. It's Chinatown.

I know I used this before but I couldn't resist. :uhh:

AlvaroLegido Feb 18, 2021 7:09 PM

1937
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 9194365)
Forget it, e_r. It's Chinatown.

I know I used this before but I couldn't resist. :uhh:

Just a precision : the action in "Chinatown" happens in 1937. This is not the Chinatown of the movie which was at Union Station. I guess it wasn't still fully cleared by then.

Martin Pal Feb 18, 2021 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9194068)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
artsy.net

For a change I'm posting a non-Ruscha image, but it's close, as the photo is by Dennis Hopper, Ed's good friend and patron....La Cienega Blvd. at Rosewood Ave., looking south....the Norm's restaurant is just out of frame on the left....undated but likely around 1960.
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I admit I'm having some trouble visualizing this photo and it's probably due to the lens/depth of focus or something, but...we see the bus bench and the Rosewood Ave. sign. Then is that Rosewood Ave. and then the mailbox on the other side of Rosewood?

Today there is a bus bench and the Rosewood Ave. sign in the exact same spot. If that's the case, what I'm having trouble visualizing is the other side of the street. Rosewood Ave. crosses La Cienega and is north of Norm's. If the car in the center of the b&w photo (Corvair to left) is turning, it isn't onto Rosewood because it passed Rosewood.

Your current GSV photo lines up with the b&w photo, except the GSV is taken south of Rosewood.

:shrug:

Anyway, I happened to recently see this photo of Jeno Paulucci pulling Stan Freberg down La Cienega Blvd., also in 1960. Norm's can be seen in the background, upper left.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kq6XkfshQ.../unnamed-5.jpgPinterest

Stan Freberg's been mentioned on NLA before. I looked up (Wiki) Jeno Paulucci: Among other things, he was an entrepreneur and in the 1940's, Paulucci developed the Chun King line of canned Chinese food products. (Which might explain the rickshaw above?) Other brands included Jeno's (pizza & pizza rolls) and Michelina's (his mother's name). This AdAge article explains the photo above: Mr. Paulucci has always been a demanding client. In his 1988 autobiography, Mr. Freberg recalled a bet: Mr. Paulucci promised to pull the adman down Los Angeles' LaCienega Boulevard in a rickshaw if a commercial actually worked. Mr. Freberg won the bet and the rickshaw ride.

ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2021 10:59 PM

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Here's a nice looking home that appears to have been destroyed by the construction of the Santa Monica Freeway....:(



2923 W. 23rd St. Los Angeles ...rppc / postmarked 1913.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/CILQTY.jpg
worthpoint





Here's the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/SsCmTl.jpg







And the former location.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/FPbpCZ.jpg
google_earth

Note that it was almost on the same block as the South Seas House'.



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ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2021 11:20 PM

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There's a good possibility we have seen this rppc (real photo postcard) of the French Village in Hollywood but it's so magnificent I thought it wouldn't hurt to see it again. :)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/bAoQ9z.jpg
worthpoint

...................:previous: There's someone waiting in that car. (you can see his elbow)



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ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2021 11:41 PM

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Since I'm on a roll. :)



Here's a good look at the seldom seen (so seldom seen that I didn't know it was there) fountain that graced the front entrance of the Garden Court Apartments in Hollywood. (now gone)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/u8TseB.jpg



Back in the early 1980s, shortly after moving to Los Angeles, I remember parking one evening in front of the Garden Court Apts. on Hollywood Blvd....The glass in all the windows was missing
and it was obvious there were squatters inside because you could see candles burning. I couldn't believe what I was seeing because the building, itself, was still quite beautiful.



for search purposes:....scenes on brown's pierce arrow tours...auditorium hotel..phones metropolitans 0502 / 4383.

jbruce Feb 19, 2021 7:50 AM

Warner Oland & 1930 Laurel Canyon Blvd.
 
Does anyone have any vintage photos of 1930 Laurel Canyon Blvd?
The house was built for silent film star Warner Oland (who played Charlie Chan) in 1923.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Oland

It just came up for sale.
https://www.1930laurelcanyon.com/

I'm so curious why it has 2 front doors and if that is the original design?

https://assets.sothebyshomes.com/pho..._1800x1200.jpg

CaliNative Feb 19, 2021 10:25 AM

Ko
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9194824)
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There's a good possibility we have seen this rppc (real photo postcard) of the French Village in Hollywood but it's so magnificent I thought it wouldn't hurt to see it again. :)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/bAoQ9z.jpg
worthpoint

...................:previous: There's someone waiting in that car. (you can see his elbow)



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Or is it the Chaplan studios (now Henson studios) "English Village" at La Brea near Sunset? Probably not. The hills don't match. What is the street location of this "French Village"? The hills kind of look like those in or near Cahuenga Pass, maybe near the Hollywood Bowl?

odinthor Feb 19, 2021 1:28 PM

:previous:

https://i.postimg.cc/yx7tLrwZ/Fr-Vil-LAT-26-6-6.jpg
LA Times, June 6, 1926

But it's looking to me as if this French Village never got built, and the pic is of the one up towards the Cahuenga Pass.

GaylordWilshire Feb 19, 2021 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9194802)
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Here's a nice looking home that appears to have been destroyed by the construction of the Santa Monica Freeway....:(


2923 W. 23rd St. Los Angeles ...rppc / postmarked 1913.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/CILQTY.jpg
worthpoint


Here's the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/SsCmTl.jpg


And the former location.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/FPbpCZ.jpg
google_earth

Note that it was almost on the same block as the South Seas House'.


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This house--between 7th & 8th avenues--actually became 3717 West 23rd after annexation-related renumberings around the city circa 1911-13. Unfortunately, it was demolished in 2007.

"B" is Blanche Fitzgerald, one of two unmarried daughters of Nathan and Julia FitzGerald--the other daughter was Malia. Nathan FitzGerald was a lawyer who had recently retired and moved down from Tacoma. (Blanche was 29 or 30, Malia 27 or 28.) Blanche was a secretary in a law office for decades and was still listed at 3717 in the CD as late as 1956.


What's there now:
https://i.postimg.cc/DZqbkC7z/3717w23-bmp.jpg

Snix Feb 19, 2021 7:56 PM

At least one of those Caryatids from the Garden Court Apartments survives and is on display in the Hollywood Heritage Museum

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f514bded_m.jpg


https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...4jWDjqzQ/o.jpg

https://s3-media0.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...0kyPfqAA/o.jpg
https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/holl...BbKgT80kyPfqAA
Yelp


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9194841)
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Since I'm on a roll. :)



Here's a good look at the seldom seen (so seldom seen that I didn't know it was there) fountain that graced the front entrance of the Garden Court Apartments in Hollywood. (now gone)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/u8TseB.jpg



Back in the early 1980s, shortly after moving to Los Angeles, I remember parking one evening in front of the Garden Court Apts. on Hollywood Blvd....The glass in all the windows was missing
and it was obvious there were squatters inside because you could see candles burning. I couldn't believe what I was seeing because the building, itself, was still quite beautiful.



for search purposes:....scenes on brown's pierce arrow tours...auditorium hotel..phones metropolitans 0502 / 4383.


riichkay Feb 19, 2021 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9194790)
I admit I'm having some trouble visualizing this photo and it's probably due to the lens/depth of focus or something, but...we see the bus bench and the Rosewood Ave. sign. Then is that Rosewood Ave. and then the mailbox on the other side of Rosewood?

Today there is a bus bench and the Rosewood Ave. sign in the exact same spot. If that's the case, what I'm having trouble visualizing is the other side of the street. Rosewood Ave. crosses La Cienega and is north of Norm's. If the car in the center of the b&w photo (Corvair to left) is turning, it isn't onto Rosewood because it passed Rosewood.

Your current GSV photo lines up with the b&w photo, except the GSV is taken south of Rosewood.

:shrug:

Anyway, I happened to recently see this photo of Jeno Paulucci pulling Stan Freberg down La Cienega Blvd., also in 1960. Norm's can be seen in the background, upper left.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kq6XkfshQ.../unnamed-5.jpgPinterest

Stan Freberg's been mentioned on NLA before. I looked up (Wiki) Jeno Paulucci: Among other things, he was an entrepreneur and in the 1940's, Paulucci developed the Chun King line of canned Chinese food products. (Which might explain the rickshaw above?) Other brands included Jeno's (pizza & pizza rolls) and Michelina's (his mother's name). This AdAge article explains the photo above: Mr. Paulucci has always been a demanding client. In his 1988 autobiography, Mr. Freberg recalled a bet: Mr. Paulucci promised to pull the adman down Los Angeles' LaCienega Boulevard in a rickshaw if a commercial actually worked. Mr. Freberg won the bet and the rickshaw ride.


Martin, you are quite right, I had to take the Googlemobile south of Rosewood to get the buildings on the east side of La Cienega to match up....as you say it's likely a depth of focus issue, I'm not a camera guy so this is all beyond me.

Blaster Feb 20, 2021 12:43 AM

Does anyone know if there was ever a streetcar line on Third Street?

CaliNative Feb 20, 2021 6:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9195215)
:previous:

https://i.postimg.cc/yx7tLrwZ/Fr-Vil-LAT-26-6-6.jpg
LA Times, June 6, 1926

But it's looking to me as if this French Village never got built, and the pic is of the one up towards the Cahuenga Pass.

Did the Hollywood Freeway construction through Cahuenga Pass swallow and digest this faux "French Village"? Is anything left of it today? At least some of Charlie Chaplin's "English Village" studio near Sunset/La Brea survives as the Henson complex, complete with a statue of Kermit as the Little Tramp.

Was the nearby "Rocky & Bullwinkle" statue preserved on the Sunset Strip? The Rocky & Bullwinkle show appealed to both kids & adults back in the early '60s, a proto Simpsons with a "Mad Magazine" subversive satire vibe. All the smart kids read Mad Magazine and watched Rocky & Bullwinkle back then. The normal kids watched Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear and the Flintstones. The Flintstones was a rip-off of the Honeymooners. Never did get Soupy Sales, but some kids watched him.

GaylordWilshire Feb 20, 2021 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 9195896)
Does anyone know if there was ever a streetcar line on Third Street?

I will leave it to one of the real transit experts here to expound if they wish to, but yes, streetcars ran on Third Street. Below is an often-seen image from the LAPL, with a car heading west on Third east of Bunker Hill (aka "Beaudry Hill"***). As LARy lines were revised over the years, Third had a line as far west as La Brea.


***I was lucky enough to tune into the Windsor Square–Hancock Park Historical Society's great presentation this past week of Nathan Marsak's work on Bunker Hill. I don't know if a video of it is available on Youtube or somewhere, but Noirishers should seek it out. Bunker Hill and our own Beaudry really come alive.

Windsor Square–Hancock Park Historical Society info:
https://windsorsquarehancockpark.com/event/540/

https://i.postimg.cc/Ls7SzmtG/lary3rdst-bmp.jpg

ethereal_reality Feb 20, 2021 6:47 PM

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re:...The French Village - Hollywood California

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/RZDd9L.jpg
vintage_everyday....via.... Paradise Leased

There is some roadwork going on along Highland Avenue. (note the huge contraption) At first I thought it was a steamroller but there are blades extending from the back of the thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9195159)
What is the street location of this "French Village"? The hills kind of look like those in or near Cahuenga Pass, maybe near the Hollywood Bowl?

Yes, you're correct CaliNative.

The French Village was located where Highland Avenue and Cahuenga Blvd. converge at the mouth of the Cahuenga Pass.

Approximately within the red triangle. (with the emphasive on approximately)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/gL3EDB.jpggoogle_earth

I wonder if odinthor knows there's an Odin Street in Hollywood.







Remember the man in the car in the sepia postcard. He was parked a little to the left of the building(s) shown below.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kZDmby.jpg

DIG THOSE NAMES!







Here's a layout of the French Village as completed in 1920.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/vtzAVU.jpg

But there was an expansion a few years later when the streets were widened. (it's confusing) see below

In 1925 a major street widening project for Hollywood with the somewhat sinister sounding name of the “Five Finger” plan cut the property nearly in half and forced the
demolition of the beautiful Tower House. Rather than disaster, however, the Davis brothers saw the Five Finger plan as an opportunity to actually enlarge the Village
and adapt it to the growing needs of Hollywood. In doing so they scored a major architectural achievement." ....STEVE VAUGHT

So how in the heck was the French Village enlarged after it was cut in half? :shrug:




Found at vintage_everyday....via....Paradise Leased
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Martin Pal Feb 20, 2021 8:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9196090)
Was the nearby "Rocky & Bullwinkle" statue preserved on the Sunset Strip? The Rocky & Bullwinkle show appealed to both kids & adults back in the early '60s, a proto Simpsons with a "Mad Magazine" subversive satire vibe. All the smart kids read Mad Magazine and watched Rocky & Bullwinkle back then. The normal kids watched Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear and the Flintstones. The Flintstones was a rip-off of the Honeymooners. Never did get Soupy Sales, but some kids watched him.
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CaliNative, I did a bit of a history post of the Bullwinkle statue at this link:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=33703

That February, 2016 post ended with the statue being displayed in West Hollywood City Hall's lobby...

The WeHo city website said at the time:

Quote:

Rocky and Bullwinkle will move to its permanent location at 8775 Sunset Boulevard, the City owned surface parking lot, in the fall of 2015.

It hasn't arrived there as of yet, though, and doesn't seem like a particularly apropos spot for it, either. In one of the articles I was reading
the man who restored it said if it is going to be installed outdoors again, it will need a lot of maintenance to keep it in good condition.

Over the next year after that post the statue disappeared from the lobby and no one had any information as to what happened to it; why it hadn't been placed back on the strip or anything.

Then last August BillInGlendale discovered it had been re-installed on the Strip on March 28, almost a year ago now, in the Holloway Triangle, and he posted a pic he took of it:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f5bff324_z.jpg


And I followed with this post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9020497)
Thanks, Bill! So that's what they were doing up there for months last year. I kept wondering why they had the triangle all tarped off. I'd asked some people one day who were up there what was going on and they said the city was storing road equipment in there while they were working on the streets.

If it were not for the quarantining all year I'd have seen this months ago, as I frequently catch a bus on that very spot when I have/had reason to go places.

Last time I was up there was March. I looked up some things online after seeing your post. Apparently they installed it on February 29th (there's photos here and there of that) and then covered it up until March 28th for a ceremony and unveiling.


This is a great place for it, it can be seen from all sides as Holloway, Sunset, Palm and Horn all converge in the same spot! (It's diagonally across from where Tower Records was located, for those that aren't familiar with the area.)

And speaking of quarantining:
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CaliNative Feb 21, 2021 1:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9195215)
:previous:

https://i.postimg.cc/yx7tLrwZ/Fr-Vil-LAT-26-6-6.jpg
LA Times, June 6, 1926

But it's looking to me as if this French Village never got built, and the pic is of the one up towards the Cahuenga Pass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9196460)
CaliNative, I did a bit of a history post of the Bullwinkle statue at this link:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=33703

That February, 2016 post ended with the statue being displayed in West Hollywood City Hall's lobby...

The WeHo city website said at the time:



Over the next year after that post the statue disappeared from the lobby and no one had any information as to what happened to it; why it hadn't been placed back on the strip or anything.

Then last August BillInGlendale discovered it had been re-installed on the Strip on March 28, almost a year ago now, in the Holloway Triangle, and he posted a pic he took of it:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f5bff324_z.jpg


And I followed with this post:

Thanks for the update! Rocky & Bullwinkle show should be revived. Millennials would get a kick out of it. Fractured fairy tales, clueless Mountie Dudley Dooright, time traveling dog genius Mr. Peabody and his faithful boy Sherman, Natasha and Boris Putanov, Aesop & son, and of course a moose and his flying squirrel pal.


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