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rivernorthlurker Sep 10, 2021 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rlw777 (Post 9392962)
According to This a zoning variance has been granted for these to reduce the parking requirements provided that construction starts by July of 2022.

Whoa! This is potentially huge news!

Saw this in the article

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"While we’re blathering on about what was “supposed” to happen here but never did, when 311 South Wacker was built 30-something years ago, it was supposed to rehab an abandoned east-west streetcar tunnel under the Chicago River for use as a pedway link to Union Station. Why the city repeatedly allows real estate developers to shirk their stated commitments to the city’s Pedway system is one of those things we’ll never understand."
So they're a tunnel running under the river on Jackson??

Zapatan Sep 11, 2021 12:01 AM

Awesome

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The 1986 zoning for this block has an overall F.A.R. of 32.44. Which is a lot. The city also permits a maximum building height of 1,000 feet on this block. That’s 39 feet taller than the already-constructed building.

This doesn’t mean we’ll see a pair of 1,000-foot-tall buildings, but that certainly would be interesting. The reason there’s a big parking lot next to 311 South Wacker is because when 311 was built, it was supposed to have a 65-story twin tower in that space, but it was never built.
I'd be happy with 775 foot twin towers but it'd be awesome if they could build near supertall range or even high 800's in this spot.

left of center Sep 11, 2021 3:40 AM

Really interesting if we see anything start rising from this block next summer. Any idea on which tower/site would be developed first? Ideally the parking lot on the southwest corner of the site goes first, for aesthetic reasons...


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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9392995)
So they're a tunnel running under the river on Jackson??

Yup! Actually its midblock between Van Buren and Jackson (about 150 feet north of Van Buren). It was an old street car tunnel, one of three total in the Loop. The others were at Washington and Lasalle, the former which still has the tunnel portals very visible (used for underground parking garage access now).

The ripping up/paving over of the old street car network was one of the greatest travesties that has happened in this city, considering we had one of the largest networks in the world.

JMKeynes Sep 11, 2021 10:56 AM

Wasn’t JP Morgan Chase considering this site?

Mikelacey45 Sep 11, 2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes (Post 9393302)
Wasn’t JP Morgan Chase considering this site?

That’s what I thought! I hope this become Fruition

JMKeynes Sep 11, 2021 1:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikelacey45 (Post 9393320)
That’s what I thought! I hope this become Fruition

Me too!

sentinel Sep 11, 2021 2:23 PM

I hope the design has changed.

chicubs111 Sep 11, 2021 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes (Post 9393302)
Wasn’t JP Morgan Chase considering this site?

No... the site that JP Morgan Chase was looking at is 401 S. Wacker Drive ...right across street from these sites ... This is the potential mystery proposal someone brought up months back about a 80 plus story office tower or something like that..

JMKeynes Sep 11, 2021 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chicubs111 (Post 9393377)
No... the site that JP Morgan Chase was looking at is 401 S. Wacker Drive ...right across street from these sites ... This is the potential mystery proposal someone brought up months back about a 80 plus story office tower or something like that..

Thanks. I thought that they were looking at a few sites, including that one.

rivernorthlurker Sep 11, 2021 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 9393355)
I hope the design has changed.

After 5 years seems plausible.

rivernorthlurker Sep 11, 2021 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9393203)
Really interesting if we see anything start rising from this block next summer. Any idea on which tower/site would be developed first? Ideally the parking lot on the southwest corner of the site goes first, for aesthetic reasons...




Yup! Actually its midblock between Van Buren and Jackson (about 150 feet north of Van Buren). It was an old street car tunnel, one of three total in the Loop. The others were at Washington and Lasalle, the former which still has the tunnel portals very visible (used for underground parking garage access now).

The ripping up/paving over of the old street car network was one of the greatest travesties that has happened in this city, considering we had one of the largest networks in the world.

Cool thanks, I remember hearing something about these a while back.

Here's the wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street...els_in_Chicago

And here's a very nice video on YouTube about them! (with 200k views) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trCkptXQc1E

The video was just added a month ago by a YouTube history channel, so nice timing.

Mister Uptempo Sep 11, 2021 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9393203)
Yup! Actually its midblock between Van Buren and Jackson (about 150 feet north of Van Buren). It was an old street car tunnel, one of three total in the Loop. The others were at Washington and Lasalle, the former which still has the tunnel portals very visible (used for underground parking garage access now).

Obviously, the crews that built BMO Tower encountered the Van Buren tunnel. Anybody know how they dealt with it? Could the tunnel still be tied back into Union Station and the all-weather passage that will eventually be completed to the Clinton Blue Line Station?

LouisVanDerWright Sep 11, 2021 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chicubs111 (Post 9393377)
No... the site that JP Morgan Chase was looking at is 401 S. Wacker Drive ...right across street from these sites ... This is the potential mystery proposal someone brought up months back about a 80 plus story office tower or something like that..

OK, I'll take two 65 floor office towers next 311 Wacker and an 80 story plus one at 401 thank you very much...

ardecila Sep 12, 2021 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9393203)
It was an old street car tunnel, one of three total in the Loop. The others were at Washington and Lasalle, the former which still has the tunnel portals very visible (used for underground parking garage access now).

No, the ramp at LaSalle/Kinzie that leads to Carroll St is a block south of where the old tunnel portal used to sit. None of the old portals remain visible, although in most cases the structures are still there underground.

The LaSalle tunnel was severed by the Blue Line subway under Lake St, and the Van Buren Tunnel now has underground parking garages sitting at both of the old portal locations. Washington is really the only tunnel that could still be used, but it's not clear for what.

Actually I think 311 S Wacker was designed to integrate with the tunnel in the future, if the city ever decided to use it. From the lower level of the winter garden, they'd just need to add one pair of escalators going down.

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Originally Posted by Mister Uptempo (Post 9393504)
Obviously, the crews that built BMO Tower encountered the Van Buren tunnel. Anybody know how they dealt with it? Could the tunnel still be tied back into Union Station and the all-weather passage that will eventually be completed to the Clinton Blue Line Station?

Not sure but I imagine they obliterated it for the core foundation. It probably still remains in place up to the west line of Canal St so it could still be connected via elevator/stairs to the Union Station pedway.

Mr Downtown Sep 13, 2021 12:17 AM

The problem with using the old streetcar tunnel as a pedway is how unrelievedly boring it is. It's one thing to walk 1000 feet on a sidewalk, past shop windows and intervening streets, but an entirely different thing to walk that far in a lonely underground tunnel. For anyone to ever use it—except when it's below 0º—you'd have to put in a little shuttle, like the Senate Subway or Denver airport. Maybe we could put some electric scooters at both ends.

BuildThemTaller Sep 13, 2021 1:33 AM

I can think of a way to make it interesting.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/uN3B..._1180043.6.jpg

munchymunch Sep 13, 2021 4:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chicubs111 (Post 9393377)
No... the site that JP Morgan Chase was looking at is 401 S. Wacker Drive ...right across street from these sites ... This is the potential mystery proposal someone brought up months back about a 80 plus story office tower or something like that..

Hello.

https://www.cushmanwakefield.com/en/...16s116117992-l

Klippenstein Sep 13, 2021 6:14 AM

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Originally Posted by munchymunch (Post 9394461)

Looks like it's only 31 floors.

That listing is almost the same as this one from 2016/2017 over on LoopNet.

Ned.B Sep 13, 2021 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chicubs111 (Post 9393377)
No... the site that JP Morgan Chase was looking at is 401 S. Wacker Drive ...right across street from these sites ... This is the potential mystery proposal someone brought up months back about a 80 plus story office tower or something like that..

Chase has also been looking at the 321 S Wacker site too. I don't understand why though. Why would they want their new signature tower to be overshadowed by it's immediate neighbor and visually competing against another future tower on the other parcel?

Tom In Chicago Sep 13, 2021 4:54 PM

Is there enough vacant space at Sears Tower to consolidate Chase operations? Maybe a name change as well?

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