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1487 Mar 10, 2016 1:22 PM

that's a serious crane there....

Arch+Eng Mar 10, 2016 3:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1487 (Post 7365881)
that's a serious crane there....

That crane is super cereal

Milksteak Mar 10, 2016 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch+Eng (Post 7365981)
That crane is super cereal

I heard Manbearpig is actually doing the demo.

Jawnadelphia Mar 10, 2016 8:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Milksteak (Post 7366361)
I heard Manbearpig is actually doing the demo.

EXCELSIOR!!!

So are the page 1 renderings the real deal, or are we still waiting to see?

summersm343 Mar 15, 2016 12:50 AM

3/14/16 - demo update

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...9a&oe=574D694D

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b6&oe=5796ED2B

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a2&oe=578C54DA

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c3&oe=574ABC1D

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c3&oe=579829B9

PhilliesPhan Mar 22, 2016 4:59 AM

http://i.imgur.com/YdmdM9r.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/J9mQh25.jpg?1

summersm343 Apr 14, 2016 3:55 PM

Update from Naked Philly

http://www.ocfrealty.com/sites/www.o...s/IMG_6175.JPG

http://www.ocfrealty.com/sites/www.o...s/IMG_6176.JPG

http://www.ocfrealty.com/sites/www.o...s/IMG_6180.JPG

http://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-phill...ing-penn-tower

summersm343 Apr 19, 2016 3:51 AM

4/18/16 - Penn Tower demo update

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8c&oe=57B6AE1F

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4a&oe=57ACF86F

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...e5&oe=577A37BE

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f6&oe=57B79D4C

christof Apr 25, 2016 3:12 PM

This is a slow motion demolition.

kingtut Apr 25, 2016 3:16 PM

It's more like deconstruction .

Philly Fan Apr 25, 2016 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by christof (Post 7419766)
This is a slow motion demolition.

Yep. They're doing it this way because of the museum next door. Don't want to risk waking up any of the mummies, or turning them into dust! :)

You may have seen this before, but here's a DP article about the extensive precautions being taken during the current demolition and future construction next door:

Sensors help protect Penn Museum artifacts during Penn Tower demolition

summersm343 Apr 28, 2016 6:11 PM

New rendering?

https://www.vhb.com/PublishingImages...nn_11Sep15.png

https://www.vhb.com/Lists/VHB%20News...rm.aspx?ID=294

skyscraper Apr 28, 2016 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by summersm343 (Post 7424117)

these three buildings (new penn hospital, perelman center, and the curvy CHOP building) look like docked ships.

Human Scale Apr 28, 2016 7:52 PM

^more modern and sterile. The original rendering on page 1 was organic. Cost savings? Less large glass panels, especially at the lobby...

Maybe cost savings because they added more floors?

jjv007 Apr 28, 2016 9:32 PM

If it is a change, I liked the original design much better.

iheartphilly Apr 28, 2016 9:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jjv007 (Post 7424461)
If it is a change, I liked the original design much better.

The shape of the bldg is pretty much the same. Can't believe the $1.5 billion price tag only gets this design. This should be a trophy building in Penn's medical campus.:shrug:

allovertown Apr 28, 2016 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 7424473)
The shape of the bldg is pretty much the same. Can't believe the $1.5 billion price tag only gets this design. This should be a trophy building in Penn's medical campus.:shrug:

It's a hospital, the 1.5 billion is more about what's going inside the building than the architecture. I do agree though that this is lackluster regardless of the price tag.

ajaxean May 3, 2016 3:46 AM


MikeNigh May 3, 2016 3:56 AM

particularly with the beige color it looks like serious shit.

Knight Hospitaller May 3, 2016 4:10 AM

I agree. It stinks. It retains the shape of the original rendering, but that's it. I wouldn't want my name on it at this point, if I were m'Lord the Architect.

japmes May 3, 2016 2:03 PM

It mostly looks like the same design to me but with less glitzy lighting and gloss in the rendering. This is probably closer to reality than the first render.

thisisforreal May 3, 2016 2:04 PM

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7117/2...5b599797_b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D17pep2.png

iheartphilly May 3, 2016 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thisisforreal (Post 7429023)

Geez, both the design and color scheme make it look dated already. Someone needs to wake at the wheel and junk this altogether and start from scratch.:shrug:

Londonee May 3, 2016 3:08 PM

Wow, is this Norman Foster's design still?

All other developers have to go through some sort of a design review process whether it's with neighborhood groups or local residents or the CDR - why is Penn immune from that process? These are massive projects with massive budgets that really should be pushed and critically rethought a bit.

I mean, whoever the architect of this thing is should really sit in front of a room and answer some questions about the design.

Londonee May 3, 2016 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 7429075)
Geez, both the design and color scheme make it look dated already. Someone needs to wake at the wheel and junk this altogether and start from scratch.:shrug:

Yeah it kind of looks like the Metro Club Condos - which was built 30 or so years ago:

http://phillyshomes.com/wp-content/u...1.07.28-AM.png
Image from Phillyshomes.com

1487 May 3, 2016 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Londonee (Post 7429148)
Wow, is this Norman Foster's design still?

All other developers have to go through some sort of a design review process whether it's with neighborhood groups or local residents or the CDR - why is Penn immune from that process? These are massive projects with massive budgets that really should be pushed and critically rethought a bit.

I mean, whoever the architect of this thing is should really sit in front of a room and answer some questions about the design.

This building will have to undergo CDR because of its size. It has nothing to do with who owns the building. If the City builds a structure and it checks the necessary boxes it would need CDR. Penn doesn't really care about Philadelphia as far as I can tell so its no surprise their architecture reflects that. Penn is in a bubble and its buildings are not made to interact with their surroundings.

Human Scale May 3, 2016 10:54 PM

The person in charge of this design downgrade is Kevin Mahoney, EVP & Chief Administrative Officer, Mahoneyk@uphs.upenn.edu

If you would like to voice your opinion do so in a civil way.

SJPhillyBoy May 4, 2016 12:47 AM

Its almost like Penn likes/envies the beautiful new curvy CHOP building down the street and is making their own curvy building to copy it except that the Penn version looks horrible and is not well done.

Isn't the last Frankenstein building they built abomination enough.

ajaxean May 4, 2016 1:49 AM


Knight Hospitaller May 4, 2016 1:54 AM

^^ You said it. They probably could've saved a lot of money by retrofitting it.

ajaxean May 4, 2016 2:01 AM


3rd&Brown May 4, 2016 2:06 AM

This is the most disappointing project of significance in recent modern history in this city.

There are no words.

It's as if Penn is trying to create a campus the likes of which Drexel has been demolishing for the past 30 years.

Do these administrators ever learn?

allovertown May 4, 2016 2:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430099)
Penn's campus looks worse than some community colleges. They won't be satisfied until it looks worse than ALL community colleges.

:rolleyes: A little dramatic no? The Furness Library is one of my favorite buildings in the world. I can't think of a community college with even a single building of serous architectural merit. Penn has like a dozen.

That said, this particular building is dissapointing. And the lack of recent cohesive vision has certainly been to the detriment of the campus. ... still a long way from a community college campus though.

hammersklavier May 4, 2016 3:25 AM

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Originally Posted by allovertown (Post 7430131)
:rolleyes: A little dramatic no? The Furness Library is one of my favorite buildings in the world. I can't think of a community college with even a single building of serous architectural merit. Penn has like a dozen.

That said, this particular building is dissapointing. And the lack of recent cohesive vision has certainly been to the detriment of the campus. ... still a long way from a community college campus though.

It's like Penn is floating on generational cohesion -- Penn is actually considered one of the country's most beautiful campuses, and that is in no small part due to Blanche P. Levy Park. Much of its cohesiveness comes from its abundance of prewar architecture and (unusually) well-done postwar landscape design w/r/t Locust Walk.

Drexel -- which was the country's ugliest campus -- is trying to brand itself with architectural cohesion, while Temple has drawn up and is starting to put into practice a cohesive landscape design. It's like the other schools are waking up to how well the Penn campus works as a branding mechanism ... while Penn itself is just snoozing at the wheel.

I wonder if some of this is due to its current administration. Buildings from the Fry era are much more cohesive, especially with his vision of how the campus and city ought to interact. I might be the only one who feels this way, but I think Penn needs some new blood on its BOR.

ajaxean May 4, 2016 3:57 AM


jjv007 May 4, 2016 4:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown (Post 7430103)
This is the most disappointing project of significance in recent modern history in this city.

1919 Market says hi. ;)

allovertown May 4, 2016 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430210)
You should get out more then: Bronx Community College (yes, the Bronx) with their extremely impressive (imo) BRAND NEW library. Heck, even Girard College in North Philly, a goddamn high school, has a more beautiful campus then Penn.



I just don't think this claim has any basis in reality. Penn's campus is grossly inferior compared to tons of other prominent American universities: UVA, Duke, UChicago, Yale, UMichigan, Berkley, Princeton, Boston College, Columbia, Harvard, William and Mary, Stanford, WashU, University of Washington, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, Rice, and I could go on and on and on. Frankly, I can hardly think of any prominent national university with a discernibly worse campus than Penn's, except maybe NYU given that they don't really have a campus at all.

Two or three weeks ago, a friend visited Penn on a college tour with her younger sibling. Penn was her first stop, and she said she thought it looked really nice. Then she went to other major East Coast colleges and said she was blown away by how amazing they looked and realized that Penn's campus was actually surprisingly underwhelming compared to the competition. Sure, Penn is nice compared to like suburbs or shopping malls. It's not that nice when compared to major historic universities.

That library is supposed to be impressive? Looks pretty dull to me. I still prefer the Furness Library thank you very much.

Due to my job I've actually been to college campuses all across America and Penn is truly one of my favorites. I'm blown away that you think it's so terrible. You're free to your opinion but you're certainly in the minority as Penn's campus often shows up on lists of America's most beautiful campuses. Not that an Internet listicle is any type of authority, but it simply goes to show many think the campus looks nice.

I agree with hammersklavier though that they're mostly coasting on the work of previous generations. Even architecturally ambitious recent buildings like the nanotechnology building don't do an excellent job contributing to cohesive campus feel.

1487 May 4, 2016 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jjv007 (Post 7430240)
1919 Market says hi. ;)

no this is worse. College buildings tend to be totally cut off from street level activity. Granted a hospital is a little harder to connect to the surrounding area in terms of street level activity, but it can be done. Or it can be done better than Penn is proposing to do it. This is the same place that wanted to build a wall around it's campus in the 60s and 70s. They are not a good corporate citizen, they talk about how many jobs they offer in the city and that's the extent of their involvement with the city and it's citizens.

Frontst17 May 4, 2016 2:22 PM

Ugh... Im embarrassed that a Mahoney is involved in this... changing my name, this is horrifically bland and uninspiring. You cant just round off a few edges and call it a day. Yes it's a hospital and what goes on inside is what matters but damn... Just seems lazy to me.

techchallenger May 4, 2016 3:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430210)
Penn's campus is grossly inferior compared to tons of other prominent American universities: UVA, Duke, UChicago, Yale, UMichigan, Berkley, Princeton, Boston College, Columbia, Harvard, William and Mary, Stanford, WashU, University of Washington, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, Rice, and I could go on and on and on. Frankly, I can hardly think of any prominent national university with a discernibly worse campus than Penn's, except maybe NYU given that they don't really have a campus at all.

Thanks for a laugh.

PHL10 May 4, 2016 5:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430099)
Penn's campus looks worse than some community colleges. They won't be satisfied until it looks worse than ALL community colleges.


http://www.modafen.com.tr/wp-content...2/upenn02.jpeg

Cro Burnham May 4, 2016 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by techchallenger (Post 7430667)
Thanks for a laugh.

I'm guessing the guy was rejected by Penn at some point.

Londonee May 4, 2016 6:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430210)
I just don't think this claim has any basis in reality. Penn's campus is grossly inferior compared to tons of other prominent American universities: UVA, Duke, UChicago, Yale, UMichigan, Berkley, Princeton, Boston College, Columbia, Harvard, William and Mary, Stanford, WashU, University of Washington, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, Rice, and I could go on and on and on. Frankly, I can hardly think of any prominent national university with a discernibly worse campus than Penn's, except maybe NYU given that they don't really have a campus at all.

Wow, troll much? Locust Walk - the heart of the campus - is an objectively beautiful and almost perfect urban, academic space. Period.

Boku May 4, 2016 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PHL10 (Post 7430867)

That's cute, but it's no LCCC.

http://i.imgur.com/qGjQ6Cz.jpg?1

thisisforreal May 4, 2016 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7430210)
Penn's campus is grossly inferior compared to tons of other prominent American universities: UVA, Duke, UChicago, Yale, UMichigan, Berkley, Princeton, Boston College, Columbia, Harvard, William and Mary, Stanford, WashU, University of Washington, UCLA, Notre Dame, MIT, Rice, and I could go on and on and on. Frankly, I can hardly think of any prominent national university with a discernibly worse campus than Penn's, except maybe NYU given that they don't really have a campus at all.

http://i.imgur.com/leLkcu5.png

UVA - did not make the list
Duke - did not make the list
UChicago - did not make the list
Yale - did not make the list
UMichigan - #17
Berkley - did not make the list
Princeton - did not make the list
Boston College - did not make the list
Columbia - #24
Harvard - did not make the list
William & Mary - did not make the list
Stanford - #4
WashU - did not make the list
University of Washington - did not make the list (though a personal fav of mine)
UCLA - did not make the list
Notre Dame - did not make the list
MIT - did not make the list
Rice - did not make the list

ajaxean May 4, 2016 6:58 PM


jjv007 May 4, 2016 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7431045)
That's a great guess actually. Another good guess would have been that I am a Penn student, and that I'm constantly overwhelmed by the mediocrity of an incoherent, dysfunctional campus that looks like it was designed by a Soviet Bureaucrat in a rush.

Awful Soviet architecture like this tallest educational building in the WORLD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow...University.jpg
:yes: :tup:

Arch+Eng May 4, 2016 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7431045)
That's a great guess actually. Another good guess would have been that I am a Penn student, and that I'm constantly overwhelmed by the mediocrity of an incoherent, dysfunctional campus that looks like it was designed by a Soviet Bureaucrat in a rush.

Let's take a westward walk down Walnut Street shall we, starting after the elevated tracks? Tell me which of these buildings you thinks adds to the campus and the city?
Penn's Ice Rink
Walnut Street Parking Garage
Rittenhouse Labs
Hill College House
Design School Building
Van Pelt Library
Lippencott Library
Franklin Building
Annenberg Theater
Graduate School of Education Building
Solomon Experimental Psych Labs
Wharton's Hunstman Hall
High Rises

Penn has literally some of the ugliest campus architecture in the world. The university brutalized (hah, get it?) its campus and the neighborhood. Yes, Penn has a few good old buildings on campus (I love Bennett and the Quad in particular), but a few isolated nice buildings does not a campus make. Isn't something gravely wrong when some of the nicest architecture at a university is the frat houses and some of the most repulsive buildings are the main library and several of the dorms?

Its just a little Brutalist :haha:


Hey, throw some roof top villages on that thing and we have a modern marvel.

hammersklavier May 4, 2016 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaxean (Post 7431045)
That's a great guess actually. Another good guess would have been that I am a Penn student, and that I'm constantly overwhelmed by the mediocrity of an incoherent, dysfunctional campus that looks like it was designed by a Soviet Bureaucrat in a rush.

Let's take a westward walk down Walnut Street shall we, starting after the elevated tracks? Tell me which of these Penn buildings you thinks adds to the campus and the city?
Penn's Ice Rink
Penn's Walnut Street Parking Garage
Rittenhouse Labs
Hill College House
Design School Building
Van Pelt Library
Lippencott Library
Franklin Building
Annenberg Theater
Graduate School of Education Building
Solomon Experimental Psych Labs
Wharton's Hunstman Hall
High Rises

Penn has literally some of the ugliest campus architecture in the world. The university brutalized (hah, get it?) its campus and the neighborhood. Yes, Penn has a few good old buildings on campus (I love Bennett and the Quad in particular), but a few isolated nice buildings does not a campus make. Isn't something gravely wrong when some of the nicest architecture at a university is the frat houses and some of the most repulsive buildings are the main library and several of the dorms?

*le sigh*

So, let me get this right, you're whinging that Penn's campus is ugly because its Brutalist-era buildings are ugly? Do. You. Have. Any. Fucking. Idea. How. Fucking. Entitled. That. Sounds?!?

Most of us are Drexel and Temple grads, and if you've ever bothered to step one fucking foot off your fucking campus bubble you would have fucking noticed that these fucking schools are fucking entirely monuments to fucking Brutalism!

Arch+Eng May 4, 2016 7:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier (Post 7431109)
*le sigh*

So, let me get this right, you're whinging that Penn's campus is ugly because its Brutalist-era buildings are ugly? Do. You. Have. Any. Fucking. Idea. How. Fucking. Entitled. That. Sounds?!?

Most of us are Drexel and Temple grads, and if you've ever bothered to step one fucking foot off your fucking campus bubble you would have fucking noticed that these fucking schools are fucking [i]entirely[i] monuments to fucking Brutalism!

Easy Easy :haha:


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