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Leo the Dog Nov 18, 2009 5:14 PM

Don,
Thank you for posting that. People in AZ are still living in fantasy land. Sometimes the truth hurts a little.

The only reason the growth may be stable is because natural births are higher than natural deaths here. Thats it.

PHX31 Nov 18, 2009 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 4565000)
Don,
Thank you for posting that. People in AZ are still living in fantasy land. Sometimes the truth hurts a little.

That's not the truth at all. "Detroit in the Desert?" "Surrounded by miles of those subdivisions". A picture of a rotten pool that's obviously no where near Phoenix (unless Phoenix suddenly moved to the Florida Keys or Hawaii).

Compare Detroit's unemployment to Phoenix's unemployment. Compare anything you want. That post is nothing but someone that gets their jollies from sadomasochism.

Leo the Dog Nov 18, 2009 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 4565030)
That's not the truth at all. "Detroit in the Desert?" "Surrounded by miles of those subdivisions". A picture of a rotten pool that's obviously no where near Phoenix (unless Phoenix suddenly moved to the Florida Keys).

Compare Detroit's unemployment to Phoenix's unemployment. Compare anything you want. That post is nothing but someone that gets their jollies from sadomasochism.

I think the decline of Phoenix's economy is just entering the tip of the iceberg. The over-reliance on a growth based economy over many decades is really going to hurt this region. Did you read the article about the state borrowing money from lenders for the first time in history to cover the $2B shortfall just for the fiscal year. The state is digging itself into a deeper hole as it'll have to pay that off at interest in the future. Where is that money going to come from considering we can't pay for it now...hmm.

Considering how bad it is in CA right now, isn't it amazing that AZ isn't having a huge influx of Californians trying to find jobs here? (Considering that pop. is flat since 07).

As for unemployment rates, yeah we do luckily have a relatively low-rate, but the quality of jobs here are below average. Education levels are low and not surprisingly income levels are low. Despite our low cost of living, this area has a difficult time attracting a well educated workforce with high paying jobs.

Lets not pretend that Phoenix wasn't one of the hardest hit regions in the nation. Time to step out of fantasy land.

vwwolfe Nov 18, 2009 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bwonger06 (Post 4563931)
Sounds like BS on the hotel + office combo at OCPE unless we are talking about 7+ years down the road. The downtown office market is already saturated, (empty OCPE, CityScape not full, and Luhrs is still completely empty even though its been on the market for over a year).

Are you a complete idiot? He wasn't talking about a new building on the OCPE site. He was talking about the lower floors of the current building being hotel and the upper floors office.

bwonger06 Nov 18, 2009 8:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vwwolfe (Post 4565174)
Are you a complete idiot? He wasn't talking about a new building on the OCPE site. He was talking about the lower floors of the current building being hotel and the upper floors office.




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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz (Post 4563312)
Here is a scoop. I was told by the architect of OCPE that the lower floors of OCPE will have a boutique hotel, with the upper floors having offices.


ohh mis-read (my mistake, i remember a few post about a week ago talking about a new hotel on the same OCPE block). but wow, talk about totally making one thing into something different. I am not a architect, but seems like something that would waste a lot of money (hotel floors are shorter than commercial), and they already sunk the cost to build taller floors although the building is still a shell, but i guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

gymratmanaz Nov 18, 2009 9:32 PM

Wouldn't you like a boutique hotel to have distinctive rooms with tall or vaulted ceilings? Could be very classy!!!!!

PHX NATIVE 929 Nov 18, 2009 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 4565064)
I think the decline of Phoenix's economy is just entering the tip of the iceberg. The over-reliance on a growth based economy over many decades is really going to hurt this region. Did you read the article about the state borrowing money from lenders for the first time in history to cover the $2B shortfall just for the fiscal year. The state is digging itself into a deeper hole as it'll have to pay that off at interest in the future. Where is that money going to come from considering we can't pay for it now...hmm.

Considering how bad it is in CA right now, isn't it amazing that AZ isn't having a huge influx of Californians trying to find jobs here? (Considering that pop. is flat since 07).

As for unemployment rates, yeah we do luckily have a relatively low-rate, but the quality of jobs here are below average. Education levels are low and not surprisingly income levels are low. Despite our low cost of living, this area has a difficult time attracting a well educated workforce with high paying jobs.

Lets not pretend that Phoenix wasn't one of the hardest hit regions in the nation. Time to step out of fantasy land.

Incredibly, $2 billion is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly $12 TRILLION debt we're approaching as a country. But hey, we're winning Nobel Peace prizes....

dtnphx Nov 18, 2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX NATIVE 929 (Post 4565672)
Incredibly, $2 billion is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly $12 TRILLION deficit we're approaching as a country. But hey, we're winning Nobel Peace prizes....

Thanks, that was useful. Drink another glass of half full.... :tup:

PhxPavilion Nov 19, 2009 7:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PHX NATIVE 929 (Post 4565672)
Incredibly, $2 billion is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly $12 TRILLION deficit we're approaching as a country. But hey, we're winning Nobel Peace prizes....

Yeah yeah, you like to blame everything on the opposing party and ignore the Bush era, we get it.

gymratmanaz Nov 19, 2009 12:46 PM

PHX Native 929....you are a broken record when it comes to your politics.

Meanwhile back to Phoenix construction topics.......

mwadswor Nov 19, 2009 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX NATIVE 929 (Post 4565672)
Incredibly, $2 billion is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly $12 TRILLION deficit we're approaching as a country. But hey, we're winning Nobel Peace prizes....

Check your reading/listening comprehension, that's a $12 trillion dollar debt, not deficit. The national deficit (how much we're short this year) is certainly too high, but the national debt has been accumulating since Andrew Jackson was president (really since the revolutionary war, but Jackson managed to briefly eliminate it).

While it is a cause for concern at certain levels for macroeconomic reasons, it does not affect the country like your personal debt affects you. People who scream about "common sense" politics and try to equate government budgets with personal budgets simply do not understand how economics and national monetary policy work. Here's common sense for you: this country has had a large national debt through all political parties, recessions, depressions, economic booms, war, and peace. There have even been economists that have argued that some level of national debt is good for the economy.

Long story short, while there are reasons to be concerned about the national debt, it is simply incorrect to equate a large national debt with the country being broke. And it's completely inane to blame the national debt on any political party: they've all had a hand in creating it. Contrary to popular logic about democrats and budgets, since 1980 the Clinton years actually saw by far the lowest growth of the national debt.

Leo the Dog Nov 19, 2009 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX NATIVE 929 (Post 4565672)
Incredibly, $2 billion is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the nearly $12 TRILLION deficit we're approaching as a country. But hey, we're winning Nobel Peace prizes....

Exactly.

Quote:

Yeah yeah, you like to blame everything on the opposing party and ignore the Bush era, we get it.
As soon as people realize that both parties are to blame, then we'll start solving some problems.

Leo the Dog Nov 19, 2009 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mwadswor (Post 4567036)
Check your reading/listening comprehension, that's a $12 trillion dollar debt, not deficit. The national deficit (how much we're short this year) is certainly too high, but the national debt has been accumulating since Andrew Jackson was president (really since the revolutionary war, but Jackson managed to briefly eliminate it).

While it is a cause for concern at certain levels for macroeconomic reasons, it does not affect the country like your personal debt affects you. People who scream about "common sense" politics and try to equate government budgets with personal budgets simply do not understand how economics and national monetary policy work. Here's common sense for you: this country has had a large national debt through all political parties, recessions, depressions, economic booms, war, and peace. There have even been economists that have argued that some level of national debt is good for the economy.

Long story short, while there are reasons to be concerned about the national debt, it is simply incorrect to equate a large national debt with the country being broke. And it's completely inane to blame the national debt on any political party: they've all had a hand in creating it. Contrary to popular logic about democrats and budgets, since 1980 the Clinton years actually saw by far the lowest growth of the national debt.


1791-2002 It took the US all of these years to accumulate $5.98 Trillion debt. (This included civil war, and 2 world wars, cold war, 9/11 etc...)
2002 Debt = 5.98 Trillion
2009 Debt = 12 Trillion
Next Year = 14-15 Trillion

But don't worry, the $1T healthcare bill is "deficit neutral".

CANUC Nov 19, 2009 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 4567053)
1791-2002 It took the US all of these years to accumulate $5.98 Trillion debt. (This included civil war, and 2 world wars, cold war, 9/11 etc...)
2002 Debt = 5.98 Trillion
2009 Debt = 12 Trillion
Next Year = 14-15 Trillion

But don't worry, the $1T healthcare bill is "deficit neutral".

Uhg, your talking points are getting old go back and get new ones.

Leo the Dog Nov 19, 2009 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CANUC (Post 4567253)
Uhg, your talking points are getting old go back and get new ones.

Really? That was the first time I posted that.

Vicelord John Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM

Im tired of reading about politics. Please stfu.

PHX NATIVE 929 Nov 19, 2009 7:21 PM

I should have known not to say anything that might rile up the ultra-defensive, mindless Obama Zombies. My apologies to all of the libbies on this left-wing dominated board. I aways forget that politics is unwanted here when it comes with any right-wing point of view.

No matter, Combusean will surely come along to scrub things up for you shortly.

CANUC Nov 19, 2009 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 4567279)
Really? That was the first time I posted that.

No, in general it wasn’t.

Politics Software Program:

First Release = Phoenix 929 v.1.0

Second Release = Leo the Dog v.2.0

Phoenix, Whaa Software:

First Release = Soleri v.1.0

Second Release = Don B v.2.0

Third Release = Leo the Dog v.3.0

See, its repetitive and still the same software.

note: Updated patch: Phoenix 929 v.1.1

PHX NATIVE 929 Nov 19, 2009 7:33 PM

:previous:

Was that an attempt at humor?

Stick to Dungeons and Dragons.

Vicelord John Nov 19, 2009 7:57 PM

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Originally Posted by glynnjamin (Post 4562731)
So the SE Corner of 7th Ave & McDowell will have a Smashburger, Ace Hardware, and the Pita Jungle that was supposed to go into Gold Spot.

You were right, i apologize. Saw the Smashburger sign today.


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