Not to be a buzzkill, but 14 stories won't unfortunately make much of a dent in most approaches of the skyline.

The classic approach for me was always the HOV onramp to the 10 from the 202. For reference, the roof of the Ho is 208 feet.

https://goo.gl/maps/TN8zHWmXcEv

Fortunately, Colliers, Barrister, and Stewart will all add much needed bulk.

14 stories should make a pretty noticeable increase in density, for reference Embassy is 11 stories tall and it's noticeable from around the area. Those little mid rise buildings add density more than almost anything.

On foot or ... what?

definitely on foot, but even from a distance. Add a few 14 story buildings to an area and it's noticeably dense from a distance.

Oh yeah.

I thought Ronnie was talking about the kind of postcard pictures I posted above when he mentioned the impact on the skyline.

Continuing the tradition of Buzz Kilington, these announcements should be taken with a grain of salt still--we're seeing a lot of stuff get proposed, but rising interest rates are going to clamp down on credit. There's also sooo much getting built at once I don't know how it can be absorbed at this rate, especially at the rents they charge and for the depth of the market which anyone should be skeptical about.

My big hope, like anyone else's, is for more high-rise product, but not for any skyline impact. These are buildings that could just as well be condos and chase different money.

I think anyone hoping to put up 4 stories of stick is too late to the party. Multi-acre proposals like the new ones above are going to need all the help they can get.

*fingers crossed*

You're 100% correct, there have been many times in the past when proposals flew into city hall faster than you could shake a stick. Analysts are talking about a market correction coming fairly quickly which would halt any proposed developments almost immediately.

I'm not saying we are 2008 all over again but anyone who remembers the flurry of proposals back then that were never built should take the current crop with a grain of salt.

Naw. Definitely not by car. Outside of it being dangerous, freeways are rarely the prime locations to see a skyline anyway. Yes, seeing a skyline for a brief second while your driving through a city is nice and all, but nowhere near what you get when you are actually in the core walking, biking or driving around on the local streets. Too me, Phoenix has very little in the way of views from the freeways and what views you can actually catch a decent glimpse of (I-10 East of Downtown, I-17 South of Downtown and Westbound I-10 just before the stack) are all too brief to really get any kind of satisfaction viewing Phoenix from a car. I can get a better view from Papago Park than I do along I-10.

Anyway, I dragged that on longer than I needed to. I do think a 14 story building can look bigger than it is if viewed from the right area. Just for reference, Portland 2 is 14 floors and I think it makes a pretty good impact from the Central bridge over Hance Park.

Will these make us look like LA? Of course not. But I think they will come into play to help give Phoenix that build up from short to tall look that I think it really needs.

The good thing is that there's more "there" there than there was back in 2008, so Downtown Phoenix isn't a hard sell anymore. It doesn't have to compete with Scottsdale like it did back then which has effectively fallen off the radar here. I'm not really aware of really anything going on in Scottsdale.

A lot of those condo proposals back then were put up by no-name investor groups with no high-rise experience and no financing pathways. That's different this time too.

I'd like to see more office development Downtown to beef up the fundamentals, but I'm fine with it suburban to Tempe. Downtown Phoenix is a much better neighborhood than, eg, Apache Boulevard, especially if you don't want a bunch of college students as neighbors in a hood that goes dark in summer and Christmas, unless that's changed too lately.

On the plus side, if we do see a downturn the ASU buildings will still get built.

Need to see these renderings!

Not really. This area, Apache Blvd, is my neighborhood and things still get pretty dead in the summer and during the holidays. It's livelier than it used to be, but not exactly a hotbed during the off-season....yet. Eventually, it will be considering all the new developments in the pipeline, and the addition of the street car likely will be the game changer.

Details on the former Golub office tower site at 200 W. Monroe from the City Council:

Also of note: the new developer appears to be an LLC affiliated with PMG, which is one of two developers involved in 111 W. 57th in New York, as well as many other high quality projects. Could be something good.

Too bad they are moving away from office.

Great news! I would've liked some additional height here...maybe with Phase 2 if demand is there. I also agree that would like to see more office space.

Awesome news! Although I also wish there we're additional height, this'll be great as I've always hated that parking lot and abandoned building. I wonder if, design-wise, they plan to make identical towers.

The fact they are proposing reasonable heights is the one thing that makes this seem like a halfway serious idea. If they'd said "we're building two 500' office towers with retail, a health club, provisions for tube travel, and a food truck court" we'd all know it's in vain.

Approximate floors for 275 FT tower?

:haha::haha: Then again, tube travel would be pretty sweet...

I think you can assume about 10 feet per floor on residential. With a slightly taller lobby, probably looking at ~25-27?

The CTBUH height calculator pegs it at 24 floors for a residential building, and about 21 floors for a mixed-use building.

http://www.ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/H...B/Default.aspx

Not too shabby then.