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ProphetM Jan 11, 2013 6:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5968672)
and today....so where is this 5 foot wide walkway? -gone forever obviously.
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/1063/aabmountainv1.jpg
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In the center of this photo, northern half, see that strip of concrete sidewalk running vertically through the middle of the much darker asphalt of the car lot? That's it.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...714%2520PM.jpg

The southern half of the walkway has been swallowed up by the apartment building.

Joe Gillis Jan 11, 2013 7:57 AM

http://imageshack.us/a/img842/791/aabkiplingodd.jpg

Traditional Korean Pub? thats a first for me!:cheers:

GaylordWilshire Jan 11, 2013 2:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5968764)
ahhh...Mimeograph memories.
Canoga Park Prom circa 1944.
http://imageshack.us/a/img59/3047/aa...nogaparkmu.jpg
http://www.themuseumsfv.org/
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Originally Owensmouth High School, it became Canoga Park High School in 1931 when the town itself changed its name. The gymnasium, completed in April 1926, still stands...


http://canogaparkhs.org/pics/history/history25a.jpg

http://canogaparkhs.org/pics/history/history23a.jpg


http://www.canogaparkhs.org/pics/history/history7a.jpg
The main building, opened in 1916, demolished in 1953


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics23/00031350.jpg
The pedimented building was added in 1930

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2...gahigh1948.jpg
1948

http://canogaparkhs.org/pics/history/history1a.jpg
1968


The Sylmar earthquake condemned the classical Canoga Park High School; this building was demolished in 1975.

http://canogaparkhs.org/album/56052/89646.jpg

http://canogaparkhs.org/pics/history/history29a.jpg
Remnants

http://canogaparkhs.org/pics/history/history30a.jpg
Somehow the post-classical buildings fail to inspire...


All pics: http://canogaparkhs.org/index.jsp

GaylordWilshire Jan 11, 2013 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 5960974)

At 3:55 a.m. on July 20, 1949, Mickey Cohen and several companions were shot outside Sherry’s Restaurant on Sunset Boulevard.
July 20, 1949: Men use brush under billboard during reenactment of ambush Mickey Cohen and others in front of Sherry's Restaurant on Sunset Blvd.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4...nshot13970.jpg
L.A. Times


Re Gangster Squad... Let's just say that in an echo of 65 years ago, the movie is the target and the The New York Times is shooting from beneath the billboard (review here).... Has anyone seen it? The trailers have been running for at least six months, and I can't say they've excited me that much...seems pretty trite and cartoonish. But I'll reserve further judgment until I see it... which may be later than sooner unless someone here has a different take on it....

ethereal_reality Jan 11, 2013 4:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5969185)
Originally Owensmouth High School, it became Canoga Park High School in 1931.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics23/00031350.jpg

All pics: http://canogaparkhs.org/index.jsp

Vry interesting post on Canoga Park High School GW. I was quite surprised by these elegant buildings.
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austlar1 Jan 11, 2013 7:04 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;5968891]The overlooked Kipling Hotel at 4077 W. 3rd Street. (at Kingsley Drive)

http://imageshack.us/a/img204/8357/a...elnecorner.jpg
google street view




I used to live on S. Ardmore ( a block away from the Kipling) between 2nd and 3rd back in the early to mid 1980s. At that time, the Kipling attracted a shabby genteel crowd of elders and was being operated as an independent living facility. I became friendly with a homeless woman named Ruby who lived (she really did live there) in the bus shelter in front of the 7-11 across the street from the Kipling. Ruby spent most nights talking to the advertising photos (frequently make up models for cosmetics) in the bus shelter. She would sometimes disappear for a week or two to go on a "rest cure" at a local psych hospital. I thought that Ruby was my special homeless person project and showered her with attention. I had a wake up call one Thanksgiving when I took Ruby a take out turkey dinner from Piper's on Western Ave. I arrived to find that Ruby already had been given at least a half a dozen other turkey dinners provided to her by various residents of the Kipling. I am guessing that these elders were a collective set of "eyes on the street", and maybe I should not have been quite as concerned about Ruby's well being. Ruby is long gone by now. The bus shelter survives as does the 7-11 where Ruby was allowed to store her belongings. I wonder what kind of residents the Kipling attracts today. Do many of them tie one on in the bar room on the ground floor? I don't think there was a bar there during my time in the neighborhood.

tovangar2 Jan 11, 2013 9:22 PM

Brokaw & Beachwood/Hollywood Toyota/Toberman
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5968574)
Brokaw Place ran from H'wood Blvd south a block to Carlton Way...

There was also a Beachwood Drive, five-foot-wide public right-of-way through the Toyota Dealership (the first Toyota sales facility in the US) at least into the 1970s. It too has been vacated.

The first two sentences in the clipping you posted below was of interest (to me anyway) as it ties in to what you told us before about Toberman's new house:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...603%2520PM.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5945345)
...1749 N Harvard, which was from about 1907--according to some sources when the house was built, and when Harvard in these precincts was Crown Avenue--to his death in 1924 the home of Ralph S. Toberman, son of Mayor James R. Toberman and cousin of Hollywood developer Charles E. Toberman who lived next door at 1761.. .

I don't know if "Maj Toberman" was Ralph or Charles.

Silverlaker Jan 11, 2013 11:13 PM

http://canogaparkhs.org/pics/history/history30a.jpg
Somehow the post-classical buildings fail to inspire...

All pics: http://canogaparkhs.org/index.jsp[/QUOTE]

I agree GaylordWilshire! Quite a few public buildings, particularly high schools and colleges that were built or commissioned in the 1970's were done in this bunker-like style as a response to the student take-overs/protests of the late 60's. I think of it as the "City Terrified" movement. Officials and Administrators of the WWII generation were discombobulated by the 60's and became more concerned with control than function or environment and we ended up with a lot of bunkers (a different sort of "noir"...a dark "70's noir".) The Bonaventure Hotel downtown is a great example of this. It's wonderful on the inside but if you are a pedestrian on the outside walking in downtown, see how difficult it is to find a way into the place. Sharp edges, no street level windows, few doors, entrances that could be "defended" from the crime and disorder of the "scary" declining city outside. Glad times have changed and we have gone back to more natural human-friendly, as opposed to human-terrified architecture.

GaylordWilshire Jan 11, 2013 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5969835)
The first two sentences in the clipping you posted below was of interest (to me anyway) as it ties in to what you told us before about Toberman's new house:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...603%2520PM.jpg

I don't know if "Maj Toberman" was Ralph or Charles.


It was Ralph's father James R Toberman--mayor of Los Angeles for six one-years terms (from 1872 to '74 and 1878 to '82)--who was called "Major." I haven't seen anything yet that explains how he came to be called that. According to city directories, he was at 615 S Pearl/Figueroa from at least 1891 and until he moved to Crown Ave in 1906. There are newspaper references to him intending to build a house at Orange (Wilshire) and St. Paul in 1902, but he seems not to have done so, or he did it on spec. Perhaps the Hollywood residence mentioned in the article I posted was his place in the country at that time. At any rate, he would have been 70 in 1906 when he built the Crown Ave/Harvard Blvd house (post 11509). The Major died in 1911. Son Ralph (b 1868), seems always to have lived with his parents; he lived at 1749 N Harvard until he died in 1924.

tovangar2 Jan 12, 2013 1:06 AM

Toberman/1749 N Harvard (Crown)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5969980)
The Major died in 1911. Son Ralph (b 1868), seems always to have lived with his parents; he lived at 1749 N Harvard until he died in 1924.

...and he dwells with them still:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1...347%2520PM.jpg
findagrave

at Evergreen Cemetery in Boyle Heights.



P.S.

A bit more on 1749 Harvard:

http://la.curbed.com/tags/jr-toberman-house

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/07/local/me-saved7

http://www.trulia.com/homes/Californ...geles-CA-90027

ethereal_reality Jan 12, 2013 2:20 AM

Last month Lwize reported on the closure of the King Eddy Saloon in the King Edward Hotel on Los Angeles Street.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10903
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I recently found this business card.

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/290/aakingedwardhotel.jpg
ebay




with a map on the reverse.
http://imageshack.us/a/img195/9040/a...rdhotelmap.jpg
ebay

note the recently discussed Arcade Depot at the bottom of the map. (as well as the Santa Fe depot & Salt Lake depot)








I was amazed when I came across this contemporary photograph of the King Edward Hotel lobby. I had no idea it was so beautiful.

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/8174/aa...rdl2larger.jpg
http://www.ladowntownnews.com/



...and at the same site, http://www.ladowntownnews.com/, there was this enigmatic comment.
http://imageshack.us/a/img845/995/aa...hoteltunne.jpg

Tunnels!??...did he say tunnels?...and he says "It's still there!" -further investigation needed-
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Tonight I found another photo of the King Edward lobby.

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/4210/a...hotellobby.jpg
http://www.insroland.org/taxonomy/term/283





Close up of the clock with the mysterious initials T. R..

http://imageshack.us/a/img854/4210/a...hotellobby.jpg
http://www.insroland.org/taxonomy/term/283


Kim at http://www.insroland.org/contributors-page attempts to uncover the origins of these initials.
It's a must read. Enjoy!



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ethereal_reality Jan 12, 2013 2:36 AM

Google street view of the King Edward Hotel. This view is looking west on 5th Street. (the famous Hotel Rosslyn is in the distance)

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/9679/a...oteltoday1.jpg
gsv




Close up of the canopy over the 5th street entrance. I'm astonished that this has survived! It seems so fragile.

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/7720/aa...oteltodaye.jpg
gsv
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tovangar2 Jan 12, 2013 3:07 AM

King Edward Hotel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5614660)
The King Edward, built in 1905. The proprietors of this hotel liked to tell people that they were near Main St.; they were actually on Los Angeles St.

The lobby:
http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/IntKEd.jpg
http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/IntKEd.jpg

The original lobby furnishings were great, and not a little odd. Wonderful lighting fixtures, which seem to mimic the then-streetlamps outside (upside down of course).
When were the mezzanine stairs put in? They seem to be missing in this view as is the mezzanine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5970238)
Close up of the canopy over the 5th street entrance. I'm astonished that this has survived! It seems so fragile.

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/7720/aa...oteltodaye.jpg
gsv
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Thx for this shot e_r. There used to be so many of these (at the Alexandria, for instance, on the 5th St side), even within my memory. This must be one of the very few left, if not the only one.

P.S.
A nice collection of ghost signs, including the King Edward's:
http://drkenjones.com/ghostsigns/jpg...oasters_00.jpg

Flyingwedge Jan 12, 2013 4:57 AM

Destroyed Surfridge neighborhood further doomed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 5909929)
I love Surfridge. I used to bike over the one open road they have that goes through there, sandpiper. It used to be open to cars but they closed it after 9/11

http://www.lakata.org/arch/surfridge..._satellite.jpg
Lakata.org

Los Angeles World Airports (LAWA), which runs LAX, just got the OK from the California Coastal Commission to remove the northern remnants of Surfridge. So go take those last pictures now!

From LAWA:

The Dunes Improvement Project includes the removal of selected abandoned streets, curbs, gutters, sidewalks, retaining walls, foundations, and above-ground utilities, in an approximately four-acre area. It also proposes the repair of curb and gutter along Vista Del Mar, and a reduction of non-native invasive plants and the planting of approximately six acres of native coastal dune and coastal prairie vegetation spread out within a 48-acre area that was formerly a residential subdivision, and is generally bordered by Waterview Street, Rindge Avenue and Napoleon Street on the north, Pershing Drive on the east, Sandpiper Street on the south and Vista Del Mar on the west.

http://www.lawa.org/welcomeLAWA.aspx
More:
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_223508...own?source=pkg
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_223411...red?source=pkg

Flyingwedge Jan 12, 2013 8:59 AM

Surfridge in the 70s
 
Here's the area taken by LAX in 1972 when most the houses were already gone. Sequence of pictures runs south-to-north.

The east-west streets here are (left to right) Haviland, Ipswich, Jacqueline, and Killgore. The north-south streets are Vista del Mar (first up from the beach), then Rindge and Trask Avenues. A pair of V-shaped walkways leads from Vista del Mar down to the beach (well, technically a beach parking lot access road) at the foot of Killgore Street:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/7a.jpg

Grand Pre Blvd. is the street with the wide median and circular eastern end. Haviland is the next street south:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/6a.jpg

Beaumont St. ends at Vista Del Mar at the left, then it's Chateau (one block long between Trask and Rindge), Deauville, Epinard, and Fontainbleau. Trouville Ave. runs between Beaumont and Deauville:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/5a.jpg

Argo is the short street at left, then Ocean Vista, Century Blvd. (ends behind the little park at Century Blvd. South), Avalonia, and Beaumont:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/4a.jpg

Left to right it's Sandpiper (shown as Moscow on 1943 and 1949 Renie Atlases), Ivalee, Ellen, Ney, Argo, Ocean Vista, and Century/Century South:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/3a.jpg

Palace is the street with houses only on its north side. Then to the south it's Sterry, Bolt, and Sandpiper, followed by the one-block streets (between Vista del Mar and Rindge) Ivalee, Ellen, and Ney:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/2a.jpg

North of Palace is Gillis Street (ends opposite the building down on the sand), then Napoleon, then Waterview (ends at Vista del Mar just off the left edge of the picture):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/1a.jpg

By 1979, LAX had extended its devastation zone to include everything south of the Waterview-Rindge-Napoleon line:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...9111-1979a.jpg

The last holdout homes were gone shortly thereafter. I remember the fire department kept using one -- maybe the big one on the south side of Gillis-- for practice until they finally burned it down. The streets remained open thru the late 1970s, but I can assure you that students from nearby Westchester High never went there at night to drink beer. ;)

Photos from California Coastal Records Project: http://www.californiacoastline.org/c...en=0&oneimage=
(Copyright © 2002-2013 Kenneth & Gabrielle Adelman, California Coastal Records Project, www.californiacoastline.org)
Street names from 1961 Renie Atlas at Historic Map Works (http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/...ty+++Page+068/)

unihikid Jan 12, 2013 1:12 PM

Thank you so much flying
this is the first time ive seen a house from surfridge,i wish the photos were clearer,most of the houses look like your standard ranch houses and look from the late 40s.anyways thanks again

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 5970475)
Here's the area taken by LAX in 1972 when most the houses were already gone. Sequence of pictures runs south-to-north.

The east-west streets here are (left to right) Haviland, Ipswich, Jacqueline, and Killgore. The north-south streets are Vista del Mar (first up from the beach), then Rindge and Trask Avenues. A pair of V-shaped walkways leads from Vista del Mar down to the beach (well, technically a beach parking lot access road) at the foot of Killgore Street:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/7a.jpg

Grand Pre Blvd. is the street with the wide median and circular eastern end:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/6a.jpg

Beaumont St. ends at Vista Del Mar at the left, then it's Chateau (one block long between Trask and Rindge), Deauville, Epinard, and Fontainbleau. Trouville Ave. runs between Beaumont and Deauville:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/5a.jpg

Argo is the short street at left, then Ocean Vista, Century (ends behind the little park at what may be another section of Trouville), and Avalonia:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/4a.jpg

Left to right it's Sandpiper (shown as Moscow on 1943 and 1949 Renie Atlases), Ivalee, Ellen, Ney, Argo, Ocean Vista, and Century:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/3a.jpg

Palace is the street with houses only on its north side. Then to the south it's Sterry, Bolt, and Sandpiper, followed by the one-block streets (between Vista del Mar and Rindge) Ivalee, Ellen, and Ney:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/2a.jpg

North of Palace is Gillis Street (ends opposite the building down on the sand), then Napoleon, then Waterview (ends at Vista del Mar just off the left edge of the picture):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...estside/1a.jpg

By 1979, LAX had extended its devastation zone to include everything south of the Waterview-Rindge-Napoleon line:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...9111-1979a.jpg

The last holdout homes were gone shortly thereafter. I remember the fire department kept using one -- maybe the big one on the south side of Gillis-- for practice until they finally burned it down. The streets remained open thru the late 1970s, but I can assure you that students from nearby Westchester High never went there at night to drink beer. ;)

Photos from California Coastal Records Project: http://www.californiacoastline.org/c...en=0&oneimage=
Street names from 1961 Renie Atlas at Historic Map Works (http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/...ty+++Page+068/)


GaylordWilshire Jan 12, 2013 2:36 PM

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3...lifsignnow.jpg
KCET Departures


A very interesting story on the Hotel Californian and the Westlake neighborhood appeared on the KCET Departures site yesterday. It seems (per the search possibilities for the thread) that we haven't looked into the Californian before.... Full story here.


http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/152...lifdual961.jpg
LAPL/KCET Departures


http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9...ifphoto961.jpg
LAPL


Great tour of Surfridge, Flyingwedge, and of the King Edward, ER.

ethereal_reality Jan 12, 2013 5:22 PM

:previous: You beat to to it GW. I've been holding on to the story of the stored California for a while.

The article you linked at KCET is great. I would have missed. Thx for posting.

ethereal_reality Jan 12, 2013 5:43 PM

Speaking of signs, while driving the google-mobile down N. Madison Avenue I spotted this rooftop sign on Beverly Blvd.

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/2124/aabsign3684a.jpg
gsv





pretty cool :)
http://imageshack.us/a/img22/8163/aa...streetview.jpg
gsv
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tovangar2 Jan 12, 2013 7:41 PM

Surfridge/Rindge-Adamson later homes/Malibu Tile
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 5970475)
Here's the area taken by LAX in 1972 when most the houses were already gone. Sequence of pictures runs south-to-north.

Thank you so much for documenting Surfridge's streets. Wonderful post.

Rindge Avenue was, of course, named for Frederick Hastings Rindge. He bought almost the entire town of Port Ballona and laid out Playa del Rey, only one of his many projects in turn-of-the-20th-century Los Angeles. He also owned Rancho Malibu and built himself a splendid house on Harvard Blvd, which has been well-documented in this thread (the home's use as a filming locale is detailed here).

After his untimely death in 1905, his widow, May, forced the Southern Pacific inland, thwarting their attempt to continue their famous coast route through her Malibu rancho, and coincidentally Los Angeles, a success we should all be grateful for.

Rindge's daughter, Rhoda Adamson, started Adohr Dairy (Rhoda spelt backwards) with her husband, Merritt Adamson. Both May and Rhoda employed Stiles O. Clements, first to design Adohr's corporate headquarters at La Cienega and 18th (closely related to Clements' Chouinard School of Art, built about the same time) and later to design a house for each in Malibu, 50-room Castle Malibu for May (it burned in 1970) and a beach house for Rhoda and family, now a museum.

May Rindge started Malibu Tile in 1926, employing Rufus Keeler, California's foremost ceramics engineer, to design and manage it. Keeler collaborated with Clements on the Mayan Theater, the Pellissier Building and the Richfield Building and with Claude Beelman on the Eastern Columbia and etc. through his own company Calco. Malibu Tile executed commissions for Austin, Martin & Parkinson's City Hall, Parkinson's Union Station, Bertram Grovenor Goodhue's Central Library, Clements' Westwood Playhouse, dozens of other buildings and hundreds of homes. Simon Rodia, a Malibu Tile worker, was supplied with broken scrap from both Malibu and Calco for his Towers in Watts. Malibu Tile closed in 1932, a victim of the Depression. Keeler's early death in 1934 (it is said from the cyanide used in his famous glazes) signaled the end of Los Angeles' era of great, glazed terracotta buildings.

May Rindge died in 1941, her daughter Rhoda in 1962.

I'm glad that Rindge Avenue will continue in Playa del Rey. It's a name that should be remembered.

The later Rindge/Adamson homes:

Malibu Beach (Stiles O Clements, 1930):
23200 Pacific Coast Highway

(used by the Rindge/Adamson family as a beach house from 1930-1936, it then became their full-time home until 1962)
Adamson House
LA Curbed
Yelp
wiki

Hancock Park (Elmer Grey, 1923)
355 S Murfield

(occupied by the Rindge/Adamson family from 1923-1936, when they moved to their beach house full time)
LA Curbed
Architectural Digest
Youtube
Redfin

Malibu Potteries
Showroom 1926-1932: 119 N Larchmont Blvd (HB Saunders, 1923)
Wiki
LA Places
Malibu Times
Redondo Historical Society
LAT

Colorful Malibu Tile installed at Adamson House:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NM...Q=w647-h479-no
laplaces

A Malibu Tile "carpet", also from Adamson House:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vL...Q=w518-h502-no
adamsonhouse/tile

City Hall:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5Y...g=w293-h508-no
davidpipertiles

Assembly-line artists at Malibu Tile:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7_...A=w710-h557-no
davidpipertiles




P.S.
Thx e-r for the Ambassador vet sign. It is a good one. I used to take my dog there.


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