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tovangar2 Dec 24, 2012 12:04 AM

Miss Abigail Stark, 723 South Flower Street & Martz Flats
 
Thanks so much for the background info. This little house has come up before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5948817)

Originally posted: Dec 8, 2012, 10:47 PM
tovangar2

Flower at 7th

Quote:

Originally Posted by kznyc2k (Post 5930927)
And more Christmas scenes from VLA, starting with this wonderful shot of Flower Street in 1928:
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1451/l...812dtflowe.jpg

Thx, this one's a beaut. Flower at 7th looking south with the Barker Bros Bldg on the right. The older building on the near left is great*, much better than the Broadway (now Macy's) Plaza's blank wall we have now (there were many 19th century bits throughout DTLA right through the 70's. Mostly gone now.) The little two-story, frame house beyond Barker Bros. looks very brave but doomed. The Ritz Hotel is still with us, but not much else. Bit of a wasteland now of empty lots and parking structures.

The base of Barker Bros (Curlett & Beelman, 1925) is so similar to the Roosevelt Building (Curlett & Beelman, 1926), diagonally across the intersection, that I got turned around for a moment.

* Identified by rick m as the Martz Flats:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00097/00097710.jpg
lapl
(flag appears to be in front of the Stark house)

723 S Flower
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-S...656%2520PM.jpg
gsv

Flower St, looking south from 7th
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...027%2520PM.jpg
gsv

The Stark house in 1871 (Abigail was 12), on Flower just south of 7th:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...409%2520PM.jpg
http://www.bigmapblog.com/2011/los-a...eared-in-1871/

This map section shows the land given to Ozro Childs by the city for extending the Mother Ditch (Main to Figueroa and 6th to 9th).
Robert Stark bought the block between Flower and Figueroa and 7th and 8th from an intervening owner.

GaylordWilshire Dec 24, 2012 12:08 AM

:previous:

Duly noted.

tovangar2 Dec 24, 2012 12:26 AM

Abigail Stark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5948841)
:previous:

Duly noted.

Knowing more about that site is great. I love holdouts. Do you know how long she and the house lasted? Thx again.

ProphetM Dec 24, 2012 12:44 AM

More on Miss Stark, her family and the home, from the LA Times in 1998(!):

A 'Paradise' Lost to Progress, 8/23/98

It seems the house lasted until her death in 1939.

tovangar2 Dec 24, 2012 12:53 AM

Abigail Stark
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5948872)
More on Miss Stark, her family and the home, from the LA Times in 1998(!):

A 'Paradise' Lost to Progress, 8/23/98

It seems the house lasted until her death in 1939.

AMAZING story.

GaylordWilshire Dec 24, 2012 2:04 AM

A few Stark oddments...
 
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K...2520PM.bmp.jpgancestry.com

Catharine and Abigail were listed in the 1880 US census as living on Bunker Hill Avenue (no number)...


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a.../starkobit.jpgLos Angeles Times Nov 18, 1939


Abigail (sometimes spelled Abagail) died on November 15, 1939. The White & Callanan mortuary where her service took place was likely their establishment at 664 W Washington Blvd.... The Harbor Freeway eventually took that building out. The undertakers then moved to the northwest corner of Western and Fountain (or already had a branch in that part of town, according to some sources) where they seem to have been until recently....


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogleSV


There a quite a number of articles on the battle over Abigail's will in the Times and Sentinel, as well as in the Chicago Defender and other papers.

AlvaroLegido Dec 24, 2012 8:05 AM

Merry Christmas
 
...from Paris to all the Community.

BTW, they tried to make noirish movies in Paris in the 1950's. They look fake. My city can't compete with L.A. on this topic. No Bunker Hill, no Chinatown etc. Our steep hill of world renown (Montmartre) has an « impressionistic » mood, very XIXe century.

BifRayRock Dec 24, 2012 3:21 PM

The Lyric theater, 7208 Pacific Boulevard, Huntington Park, CA 90255

Probably circa 1943
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics35/00037255.jpglapl

http://photos.cinematreasures.org/pr...jpg?1315596345http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2176/photos/25101


tovangar2 Dec 24, 2012 5:30 PM

Lyric Theater - Huntington Beach
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5949308)
The Lyric theater, 7208 Pacific Boulevard, Huntington Park, CA 90255

Probably circa 1943
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics35/00037255.jpg

2012 (the Lyric's still in there somewhere):
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u...626%2520AM.jpg
gsv

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...622%2520AM.jpg
google maps

Probably not anyone's favorite example of adaptive reuse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido (Post 5949180)
Merry Christmas...from Paris to all the Community.

And a very Happy Christmas to you too!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ki6lQC6ulZ...masMarket1.jpg
kyandra

One of the best things about my years in London was trips to Paris.
It seems a very long way away now.

tovangar2 Dec 25, 2012 1:23 AM

Old P.E. Right-of-Way
 
Have we run this route before?

P.E. right-of-way, Spaulding and Fountain to Hollywood & La Brea.
Still there. Part of it driveway, part named street, part parking lot, part alleyways, part built over. Great googlemobile drive (w/ many detours).

http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/hollytopo.JPG
uncanny.net

2012 (not in order):
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...609%2520PM.jpg
google maps

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...358%2520PM.jpg
google maps

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...503%2520PM.jpg
gsv

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3...314%2520PM.jpg
google maps

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...656%2520PM.jpg
gsv

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k...435%2520PM.jpg
gvs

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...535%2520PM.jpg
google maps

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X...325%2520PM.jpg
gsv

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8...728%2520PM.jpg
gsv

tovangar2 Dec 25, 2012 2:55 AM

Brookside/Arroyo de los Jardines
 
Some extremely well-watered trees:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...034%2520PM.jpg
google maps

Another shadow on the land: Arroyo de los Jardines, whose source is under the Hollywood Hills, runs the length of the Wilshire Country Club and then dives underground before appearing again south of Wilshire and east of Highland, running for about four blocks between the backs of 400 homes in the Brookside neighborhood before going underground again. The stream travels beneath La Brea until finally joining Ballona Creek.

Bridge over Arroyo de los Jardines on the Wilshire CC links:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-L...402%2520PM.jpg
google maps

More info: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/feb...ate/re-guide27

ProphetM Dec 25, 2012 3:05 AM

tovangar2: To go along with that last Street View picture of Marshfield Way, here's a photo I took in Sept. 2011 looking down Marshfield Way from the other direction. This is looking southwest; La Brea Ave. is the cross street in the foreground. I was there with my family at the Hollywood Walk of Fame. This intersection is at the west end of the walk, next to the ugly gazebo thing.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s...0/DSC00254.JPG

tovangar2 Dec 25, 2012 3:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5949782)
tovangar2: To go along with that last Street View picture of Marshfield Way, here's a photo I took in Sept. 2011 looking down Marshfield Way from the other direction. This is looking southwest; La Brea Ave. is the cross street in the foreground. I was there with my family at the Hollywood Walk of Fame. This intersection is at the west end of the walk, next to the ugly gazebo thing.

Thank you. The two old houses in the next to last pic in my post are just out of site in the view you posted. Thank you also for not posting a pic of the
"ugly gazebo thing". An abomination and an embarrassment, plus it gives me a headache just looking at it. Didn't there used to be a nice Richfield station there?

Mayor Shaw Dec 25, 2012 5:58 AM

Merry Christmas to all. Thanks for the many informative and entertaining posts throughout the year.

fhammon Dec 25, 2012 6:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5949774)
Bridge over Arroyo de los Jardines on the Wilshirre CC links:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-L...402%2520PM.jpg
google maps

That little bit of remaining stream-bed must be ancient indeed!
...or not. Just a bit of nicely engineered landscaping and drainage.
It's easy to be cynical about these things.

FredH Dec 25, 2012 5:21 PM

1947

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5990/00028853.jpg
lapl

"It's rats and holes left when the Los Angeles Transit Lines abandoned the "H" line and tore the rails out of the private right-of-way as shown. Debri, old papers, rags and anything pedestrians want to toss is seen on the abandoned line."

tovangar2 Dec 25, 2012 8:27 PM

Arroyo de los Jardines + the Tar Pits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5949863)
That little bit of remaining stream-bed must be ancient indeed!
...or not. Just a bit of nicely engineered landscaping and drainage.
It's easy to be cynical about these things.

I wondered that too. Whether the stream is in its natural bed and just taken advantage of by the developers or if it's placement and disappearing and reappearing was engineered to make it a desirable feature.

In this CC Pierce aerial from 1918 one can see the oil field on the left which will later become the Wilshire Country Club. It's hard to tell if the stream is there or not, but it looks like it might be. Dunno why there's such a thick knot of trees at Melrose and Rossmore (must be b/c of water).
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9...356%2520AM.jpg
cc pierce/usc

It does appear rather abruptly on the links now:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O...950%2520AM.jpg
google maps

I have been unable to find a photo of the stream as it exists between the houses, but I'm told it looks very "natural" (eroded rocky outcrops, etc).

The only place I could glimpse the surface of the water was under this bridge between Highland and Longwood, south of 9th.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M...647%2520PM.jpg
google maps

The name is certainly rather silly & romantic.

I don't know of any indigenous name attached to this area, but there must have been one.

Makes a lot more sense when one sees the map:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...516%2520PM.jpg
http://lacreekfreak.wordpress.com/la...cal-waterways/



A little stream's allowed to emerge for about a minute at the Tar Pits too. A footbridge crosses it:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...555%2520PM.jpg
google maps

....and eventually adds to this:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g...213%2520PM.jpg
google maps

GaylordWilshire Dec 25, 2012 8:40 PM

A few priors:


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8351

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8349

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=642

tovangar2 Dec 25, 2012 9:00 PM

P.E. right-of-way / Brookside
 
Thank you GW. I guess I need to run my posts past you first. Do you know, BTW, if there is some lingering legal reason for the old rights-of-way to be kept clear? I'm sure it's a pain for developers, but except for the example shown immediately below (west of Vista), they're at least somewhat open.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...358%2520PM.jpg
google maps

Vista crossing, south of Hawthorn then:
http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/vista1.JPG
ray ballash (first posted by KevinW)

...and now:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f...956%2520PM.jpg
google maps

...and who owns that 6" gap between the low retaining walls (above)? One almost expects a tiny trolley to come clanking out between them.


P.S. Looking for an address out near Whittier, I found Shubin Lane, a skinny new disjointed street built on an old railway right-of-way. The pattern of yard-less houses repeats for block after block. Must drive the emergency services crazy trying to find a way in:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...654%2520PM.jpg
google maps

GaylordWilshire Dec 25, 2012 9:44 PM

:previous:

You don't need to run them by me. Looking back in the thread might help in your research, though, either through the "Search this Thread" tool at upper right or via Google with this placed in the search bar:

"insert search terms here" site:forum.skyscraperpage.com noirish


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