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FredH May 6, 2014 4:53 AM

[QUOTE=GaylordWilshire;6565695]Don't think we've met sweet little Lola Titus before....


http://i.imgur.com/uRI1Yl5.jpg?1?9899Black Dahlia in Hollywood


25 years old!

Wanted to be a strip tease queen!

Rumored to have murdered the Black Dahlia!

Wow!


BTW - Nice work on the J.W. Frey sign.

Tourmaline May 6, 2014 1:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6564713)
This picture of Hollywood/Cherokee must've been taken around the same time as those posted by Martin Pal. USC dates it at circa 1936/1958. The same picture can be found at hollywoodphotographs.com where it's dated 1937.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

Here's a close-up of the box on the roof. It appears to have a ladder and hatch at the rear, but otherwise I'm none the wiser. The sign on the corner of the building states that the "owner will erect new building".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eVirginia2.jpg
Detail of picture above.


Rear screen projection for a moving advertisement?

The roof structure is certainly imposing, but it may still have been mostly a hollow shell, that could easily accommodate projection equipment. The "picture framing" seems to lend itself to a performance or moving advertisement that needed protection from the weather or unwanted interlopers. An attempt to gain attention by an owner keen to develop in a poor real estate market ????


On an unrelated subject, it has been claimed that the first hotel in San Fernando Valley was the Hotel Cecil, owned by Mrs. Cecil Wilcox. Curious if "Cecil" is short for "Cecilia" of if "Cecil" was Mr. Wilcox's first name. If it is the former, makes one wonder if another Hotel Cecil, with an infamous water tank, should have received a different feminine pronunciation. Could the two establishments be related? The later, on Main Street, was built in '27. For unknown reason, I always assumed the Main Street-Cecil was based on a last name.

1888
http://waterandpower.org/1%20Histori...otel_Cecil.jpghttp://waterandpower.org/1%20Histori...otel_Cecil.jpg


No apparent relation to the Wilcox Bldg. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1981/rec/1 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3036 Interesting remains of the Wilcox: http://urbandiachrony.wordpress.com/...ets-1924-2013/

Martin Pal May 6, 2014 2:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6566411)
Rear screen projection for a moving advertisement?

The roof structure is certainly imposing, but it may still have been mostly a hollow shell, that could easily accommodate projection equipment. The "picture framing" seems to lend itself to a performance or moving advertisement that needed protection from the weather or unwanted interlopers. An attempt to gain attention by an owner keen to develop in a poor real estate market ????

So far this idea has been the one most offered. Although, for the time, you'd think more might have been made of the idea so that we'd know about it...seems to me, but you never know.

It also might help if we knew exactly what business it was related to, The Jade, The Virginia, etc. Maybe it was the real estate developer... It seems likely that whatever it was it was related to advertising as it's angled toward the oncoming traffic in the street below.

I've never seen one in a photo before. Curious.

oldstuff May 6, 2014 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6566411)
Rear screen projection for a moving advertisement?

The roof structure is certainly imposing, but it may still have been mostly a hollow shell, that could easily accommodate projection equipment. The "picture framing" seems to lend itself to a performance or moving advertisement that needed protection from the weather or unwanted interlopers. An attempt to gain attention by an owner keen to develop in a poor real estate market ????


On an unrelated subject, it has been claimed that the first hotel in San Fernando Valley was the Hotel Cecil, owned by Mrs. Cecil Wilcox. Curious if "Cecil" is short for "Cecilia" of if "Cecil" was Mr. Wilcox's first name. If it is the former, makes one wonder if another Hotel Cecil, with an infamous water tank, should have received a different feminine pronunciation. Could the two establishments be related? The later, on Main Street, was built in '27. For unknown reason, I always assumed the Main Street-Cecil was based on a last name.

1888
http://waterandpower.org/1%20Histori...otel_Cecil.jpghttp://waterandpower.org/1%20Histori...otel_Cecil.jpg


No apparent relation to the Wilcox Bldg. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1981/rec/1 http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3036 Interesting remains of the Wilcox: http://urbandiachrony.wordpress.com/...ets-1924-2013/

Cecil Wilcox was the husband and his wife's given name was Clara. They appear in the censuses. He owned a furniture/book store and was apparently the publisher of a San Fernando Valley newspaper "The Lankershim Laconic" While it is not mentioned in the censuses, a newspaper article in the early 1950's promoting a "pioneer picnic" in Toluca/Lankershim, lists her as a widow who was the owner of the hotel. The water and power website has a date on the picture of 1888 but this cannot be correct since Cecil was born in 1876. Clara (Hoegerman) and Cecil were married in 1897 in Los Angeles County. Cecil had died in 1933. Clara died in 1958. Ancestry.com has a picture of Clara and her sister Rose.

Tourmaline May 6, 2014 10:30 PM

Thanks MP and OS for the follow-ups. :previous:

Could the box be a "sanitary outdoor bedroom" as advertised by the Hotel Cecil? ;)

As OS noted, 1888 date was provided by the source. Some of the dress seems to be from a later period, but difficult (for me ) to tell. Noticed a sign on the right of the building remincent of a telephone advert, but image is likewise not that clear. AAA? Free Color TV? :uhh:

Matthew May 7, 2014 12:35 AM

I see something inside that looks like a screen angled downward, to be viewed from the sidewalk/street? It also has a metal bar a quarter of the way down from the top? It is likely projection. Having it inside a deep box, painted black inside, would make it viewable during the day, in the bright sun. The ladder would likely lead to the projection equipment behind the screen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6564509)


Albany NY May 7, 2014 12:46 AM

High-Class Camping?
 
"Sanitary Outdoor Bedrooms?" What an amazing idea! It looks as if the accommodations on the 2nd floor are basic bedrooms with roll-up curtains to an outer deck. Kind of an outdoor camping experience with indoor comforts. What a wonderful way for travelers from other climates to enjoy sunny southern California. The best of both worlds, you might say. I wish places like this existed today. Or do they? Maybe I'm just behind the times. Does anyone here know of any other indoor/outdoor motel/hotels? Honestly, I am completely gobsmacked by the ingenuity!

Earl Boebert May 7, 2014 2:08 PM

Some cool stuff about turning LA into NYC in the 20's movie business over on ladailymirror.com

Cheers,

Earl

Tourmaline May 7, 2014 4:20 PM

218-222 N. Main Street - The Lanfranco Building.

Circa 1920
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018815.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018815.jpg

Tourmaline May 7, 2014 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albany NY (Post 6567608)
"Sanitary Outdoor Bedrooms?" What an amazing idea! It looks as if the accommodations on the 2nd floor are basic bedrooms with roll-up curtains to an outer deck. Kind of an outdoor camping experience with indoor comforts. What a wonderful way for travelers from other climates to enjoy sunny southern California. The best of both worlds, you might say. I wish places like this existed today. Or do they? Maybe I'm just behind the times. Does anyone here know of any other indoor/outdoor motel/hotels? Honestly, I am completely gobsmacked by the ingenuity!



Speaking of outdoor bedrooms . . .

Sad reminder: "Weekly sanitary inspection is held as housewives pull their cots out between the barracks at Santa Anita Race Track on June 25, 1942."

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043922.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics48/00043922.jpg

Graybeard May 7, 2014 4:42 PM

Fixed
 
http://imageshack.com/a/img843/335/vfep2.jpg

rcarlton May 7, 2014 5:43 PM

[QUOTE=FredH;6566239]
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6565695)
Don't think we've met sweet little Lola Titus before....


http://i.imgur.com/uRI1Yl5.jpg?1?9899Black Dahlia in Hollywood


25 years old!

Wanted to be a strip tease queen!

Rumored to have murdered the Black Dahlia!

Wow!


BTW - Nice work on the J.W. Frey sign.

Looks better with dark hair (if that is her):
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics21/00030174.jpgLAPL

Fainting:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics21/00030171.jpgLAPL


She was found insane and sentenced to Patton State Hospital, where she died in 1958. She was from Bucks County, Pennsylvania (1930 Census).

rcarlton May 7, 2014 6:44 PM

Gypsies arrested for robbery (Hollywood Station), 1951
 
Gypsies arrested for robbery (Hollywood Station), June 30, 1951. Frank Lee -- 50 years; Mada Lee -- 50 years; Leura Lee -- 18 years; Detective Mike Hunt.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0USC

Leura Lee
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0USC

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0USC

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0USC

They certainly had nice clothes. I wonder about the particulars of the case?

HossC May 7, 2014 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 6568592)

Is this the guy that Pee Wee Morris asked Wendy about in Porky's? ;)
I bet his colleagues never teased him about his name.


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Graybeard, nice work with Photoshop. The box on the roof reminded me of an old monitor too, but I never thought to add the keyboard and mouse.

HossC May 7, 2014 8:12 PM

As often happens, I found this building by chance while I was searching the USCDL for something else. Dated 1931, this first picture shows the Fred C Wood Building and car dealership. The sign on the front wall says DeSoto, but the other advertisements are for the new Hudson Greater 8 and Essex Super Six.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FredCWood1.jpg
USC Digital Library

I thought the building had gone when I typed the address from the USC description into Google Maps and got a parking lot. Then I recognized the building in the background and moved my little Google man a hundred yards south. I won't say I'm crazy about the color scheme or window treatment, but it's still there as the Western Discount Store.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FredCWood2.jpg
GSV

The second picture in the set shows an empty car lot and a sign for the Pellissier Square Garage (which was fireproof and offered 24 hour service).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FredCWood3.jpg
USC Digital Library

It turns out that this was the parking lot I found when I first typed in the 808 S Western Avenue address. The structure with the Pellissier Square Garage sign has gone (something was there until about 2005), but the main building remains. It's now known as the IB Plaza.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FredCWood4.jpg
GSV

This is the last picture in the set, and shows the used car dept.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FredCWood5.jpg
USC Digital Library

For this one I had to look just around the corner on W 9th Street. This part of the building has had similar treatment to the one on Western, but again appears to be intact otherwise.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FredCWood6.jpg
GSV

The overhead view seems to suggest a right of way between the garage and the dealership. Looking at Historic Aerials, it has been used for parking since 1948, so did it ever have streetcars running through?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FredCWood7.jpg
Google Earth

HossC May 8, 2014 12:01 AM

A week or two ago I posted a picture of the Herald Express Building on Georgia Street while we were discussing the streetcar barn opposite (see here). Here's a better picture of the building taken during a strike in 1946.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...b.jpg~original
eBay

MichaelRyerson May 8, 2014 12:17 AM

don't know if anyone ever responded to this but...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6487777)
In the past we discussed the north portal at Sunset Blvd., but I don't think we ever found a good shot of it:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12088
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12092
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12094

MR posted (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13337) a photo showing the tunnel portal from above; it's at the bottom, just left of center, below large empty area on Ft. Moore Hill and to the right of the angled Sunset Blvd./Hill St. intersection:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8032/8...057a93ea_o.jpg
aerial looking southeast across fort moore hill, ca,1939

ProphetM zoomed in on that photo and outlined the tunnel portal:


Now, thanks to Longrifle's heads-up, here's a shot of the sealed-off north portal from July 1, 1958, with a Mt. Lowe ghost ad to the right along with the Hill Street/Sunset intersection:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...5.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/7933/rec/3

here's a pretty nice shot of the north portal although it suffers from being too close in and lacks any visual context. Still it's all we've got...

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7459/...a3b45a5f_o.jpgNorth Portal of Hill Street tunnel, no. 2, 1909

This not the P&E tunnel at Beverly Boulevard (which didn't open until 1926). Nor is this the trolley side (west side) of the double Hill Street tunnel at Temple Street. If this were the trolley side of Hill Street no. 1, the retaining wall on the right would angle downward and both the retaining wall and the top of the portal itself would be capped by a concrete balustrade. This a rare image of the north portal of Hill Street tunnel no. 2 where it emerges from Fort Moore Hill at Sunset Boulevard. Photograph likely taken on September 15, 1909, declared 'Tunnel Day' by the city fathers to celebrate the opening of the tunnel and rail service to more directly serve Hollywood and the Westside.

LAPL

ethereal_reality May 8, 2014 2:25 AM

The seller on ebay lists this as Pasadena 1912, bridge over arroyo.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/838/t2on.jpg
ebay


but the reverse says something about a Mt. Jumbo.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/842/8vei.jpg

...the only Mt. Jumbo I could located is in Montana...near Missoula.
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ethereal_reality May 8, 2014 2:41 AM

Have we seen the Hotel Ryan before?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/835/3dfq.jpg
ebay
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ethereal_reality May 8, 2014 2:48 AM

I recently found this fantastic view of the Sunkist Building on ebay.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/836/j9ag.jpg
ebay

The Edison Building is at far right..with the Engstrum Apartments in between. (why the 'blacked out' billboard on the Engstrum?)
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