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ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2014 11:27 PM

:previous:Those are much better examples. -thanks MP.
What's Vallera over the front entrance? (a new name? perhaps something less generic than Italian Kitchen)
I also see there was a FUR store as well.
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HossC Apr 28, 2014 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6556626)

Europa with chocolate-brown walls
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/841/z7s5.jpg
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Does anyone know what stood on the site of the Loew's State prior to 1921?

USC has this picture looking up 7th from Broadway which they date at 1921 (it may be slightly earlier). The domed Smith's Hotel stands where the Loew’s State Building is about to be built.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

According to cinematreasures.org, the Palace Theatre was at 318 W 7th, so the Europa Italian Restaurant must've been just to the left.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...treet1921b.jpg
Detail of picture above.

The Ville de Paris department store (further up 7th in the top picture) has been briefly mentioned before on NLA. Here's their advert from the 1921 CD.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lleDeParis.jpg
LAPL

HossC Apr 29, 2014 12:41 AM

KevinW, I found a preview of the publication below on Google Books. I started to make a list of the extant buildings which haven't been mentioned yet, but I decided to post a link instead.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rtDecoBook.jpg

Link: Los Angeles Art Deco

I mentioned the old Sontag Drug store on Wilshire yesterday, but forgot that the Staples store next door is also Art Deco. Nearly opposite was the little camera store called The Darkroom - most of it remains. Flicking through NLA, there are quite a few more Art Deco theaters, stores and markets which have survived in varying degrees of completeness.

ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 1:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6556848)
USC has this picture looking up 7th from Broadway. The domed Smith's Hotel stands where the Loew’s State Building is about to be built.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

According to cinematreasures.org, the Palace Theatre was at 318 W 7th, so the Europa Italian Restaurant must've been just to the left.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...treet1921b.jpg
Detail of picture above.

This is excellent information HossC!
Now I can envision the location of the Europa Restaurant. :) -thanks so much.
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GaylordWilshire Apr 29, 2014 1:19 AM

Every so often, I look at the Huntington Digital Library's Palmer Conner Collection to see what's new, or what I haven't noticed before.


A favorite:

http://i.imgur.com/krZcdGs.jpg?1?1640HDL
Photo dated Sept 1, 1959. See prior NLA post 1847 from Oct 2010 for more....


We've seen the Central Police Station and the Vanderbilt before--

http://i.imgur.com/oYndVpw.jpg?1?2522HDL
318 West First--photo May 1955


http://i.imgur.com/bldQzRr.jpg?1?7055HDL
334 South Figueroa--photo Apr 10, 1957. It collapsed two years later.


http://i.imgur.com/Fnm3Z9X.jpg?1?8138HDL
Great photo caption: "This is 221 South Bunker Hill Avenue. Built between 1888 and 1894. Attributed to Frederick Sparr or Judge Halton. The Mattachine Society was in part born here in 1953; it was where Tony Reyes and Don Slater lived. Demolished circa 1963." Also love the "Coming or Going" Studebaker and the gold bathtub Packard. Just a great picture--dated Apr 20, 1957.

ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 1:21 AM

"This is your uncle, what's left of him."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102.../834/11quy.jpg
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reverse message
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/838/z3mc.jpg

-mentions Ceres Ave. -one of my favorite names for a street.
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ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 1:32 AM

originally posted by GaylordWilshire
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102.../843/gpdky.jpg


Amazing color photograph of the Vanderbilt Apartments GW.


Here's it's destruction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4967765)


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MichaelRyerson Apr 29, 2014 1:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6556848)
USC has this picture looking up 7th from Broadway which they date at 1921 (it may be slightly earlier). The domed Smith's Hotel stands where the Loew’s State Building is about to be built.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

According to cinematreasures.org, the Palace Theatre was at 318 W 7th, so the Europa Italian Restaurant must've been just to the left.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...treet1921b.jpg
Detail of picture above.

In 1910, the year of e-r's postcard, the Hotel Bonnie Brae occupied the corner apparently undergoing a change in ownership (with a name-change) in the years leading up to 1921 when the Loew's building appears on the Baist survey. The Palace Theater at 318 is actually on the west side of a narrow alleyway (St. Vincent's Place?) which runs between it and 314 on the eastside (it is very hard to see the curb-cut which serves this alley). This leaves the Europa the second business to the east of the Palace Theater and the alley. The alley north of 7th Street is annotated as St. Vincent's Place.

Tetsu Apr 29, 2014 2:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6556965)
Every so often, I look at the Huntington Digital Library's Palmer Conner Collection to see what's new, or what I haven't noticed before.


A favorite:

http://i.imgur.com/krZcdGs.jpg?1?1640HDL
Photo dated Sept 1, 1959. See prior NLA post 1847 from Oct 2010 for more....


We've seen the Central Police Station and the Vanderbilt before--

http://i.imgur.com/oYndVpw.jpg?1?2522HDL
318 West First--photo May 1955


http://i.imgur.com/bldQzRr.jpg?1?7055HDL
334 South Figueroa--photo Apr 10, 1957. It collapsed two years later.


http://i.imgur.com/Fnm3Z9X.jpg?1?8138HDL
Great photo caption: "This is 221 South Bunker Hill Avenue. Built between 1888 and 1894. Attributed to Frederick Sparr or Judge Halton. The Mattachine Society was in part born here in 1953; it was where Tony Reyes and Don Slater lived. Demolished circa 1963." Also love the "Coming or Going" Studebaker and the gold bathtub Packard. Just a great picture--dated Apr 20, 1957.

So many amazing photos in the latest update. What's so great about them (aside from being in color) is that they give so much context to the buildings we already know. So many shots of entire blocks and street corners that really give you a much more clear sense of all the buildings in relation to one another. One of his photos really interested me in particular, one that was labeled as the "Oldest old Bldg in Down Town LA Figueroa 5th to 6th." I know the photo is dark but it's there, in the middle of a parking lot. Looks like it was located just south of the Vanderbilt Apartments. Anyone know anything about this building?

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psf53fd74e.jpgHDL

Flyingwedge Apr 29, 2014 2:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6556965)
Every so often, I look at the Huntington Digital Library's Palmer Conner Collection to see what's new, or what I haven't noticed before.

A favorite:

http://i.imgur.com/krZcdGs.jpg?1?1640HDL
Photo dated Sept 1, 1959. See prior NLA post 1847 from Oct 2010 for more....

We've seen the Central Police Station and the Vanderbilt before--

http://i.imgur.com/oYndVpw.jpg?1?2522HDL
318 West First--photo May 1955

:hi:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=20984

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=20174

CityBoyDoug Apr 29, 2014 3:20 AM

Hollywood.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 5661736)
From Gregory Paul Williams' The Story of Hollywood:

"in 1902, the Janes house appeared on Prospect Avenue as a model home in the Whitley tract. With the same architect as the Whitley tract house now known as The Magic Castle, the Janses' Queen Anne Victorian cottage boasted hardwood floors, stained glass windows, large front and back yards, and the most modern of kitchens.

The Janes family bought the three-bedroom house in 1904 after arriving by train from Aurora, Illinois, where their father, Herman, had retired from the furniture business. Three sisters and a brother, Carrie, Mary Grace, Mabel, and Donald, came with their parents.

The Janes sisters, after inheriting the house from their parents, lived there to old ages. Originally, their nearest neighbor was a block away. By the time the last Janes died (Carrie in 1982) the house stood in the middle of a very seedy Hollywood Boulevard."

(From another chapter) "After Mary Grace's husband Ernest died in 1964, the Janes sisters rarely left their kitchen. Carrie slept in a window seat. Mary Grace made a bed above some cabinets while Mabel slept in a padded chair. In 1967, the Hollywood Chamber Of Commerce tried to get them to move again, insisting that their land was worth $500,000. The sisters kept the door bolted and refused to answer. Mary Grace told a reporter, 'Mr. Whitley built this house, and he told us it was the best house he'd ever built. There's nothing wrong with it.'"

(From another chapter) "Vacant since the last sister, Carrie, died in 1986, the house's new owner wanted it demolished for a mini-mall. Using CRA incentives, Hollywood Heritage worked to spare the house. In 1987, the structure was pushed back on the lot and restored as a visitor's center. A poorly executed, Janes-house-themed mall rose in front of it."

From the L.A. Times, September 15 1985:

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Janes_House/Janes.1.jpg

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Janes_House/Janes.2.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/

The article mentions Guy Miller. I met Guy when I was in the Navy in 1967, San Diego. I used to stay at his apartment when I visited my family in the LA area.
The article mentions that he rented a store. That ''store'' fronted Hollywood Blvd and was on the same property. Guy sold his ''Vocabumats" in that little store which were laminated table place-mats with foreign words on them so that you could learn a few words in other languages. When I strolled down the boulevard in the 1970s I used to stop and speak with Guy, as I had known him a long time. Guy worked in a printing shop in Hollywood where he made the place-mats. He has since passed away.

Guy's store [right] in the photo below, outlined in color..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps599ba9b0.jpg
LATimes
A sample Vocabumat....circa 1970s...and a photo of Guy in the 1950s, when he made a model of the city of New York. [ Image...LIFE Magazine].
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psd729cdcd.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps5c120f43.jpg
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JScott Apr 29, 2014 3:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 6557007)
One of his photos really interested me in particular, one that was labeled as the "Oldest old Bldg in Down Town LA Figueroa 5th to 6th." I know the photo is dark but it's there, in the middle of a parking lot. Looks like it was located just south of the Vanderbilt Apartments. Anyone know anything about this building?

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psf53fd74e.jpgHDL


Here's an enhanced close-up:

https://otters.net/img/lanoir/oldest...ding030157.jpg
Huntington Digital Library

ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 3:45 AM

:previous: -wow, I hope we can find more information on that building.
It's so archaically amazing, like something from a frontier/gold rush town.
It's how I imagined the old house behind the Sons of American Revolution HQ. might have looked.
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MichaelRyerson Apr 29, 2014 11:18 AM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7348/...b8b07f37_o.jpgLooking west on 4th Street from 4th Street barricade at Hope Street, 1937

Looking west down 4th Street from the 4th Street stub at Hope Street. The steep slope between Hope and Flower prevented 4th Street from going through. We are looking across Flower Street (out-of-frame at the bottom) to Figueroa (with the truck in the intersection) and to Fremont with the white Hotel Percivel at 1017 W. 4th Street. Down here, the little 'street' that runs to the right from 4th is the ever elusive Sack Alley which only runs from 4th Street to 3rd Street. The five story building which backs up to Sack Alley is the Imperial Apartments at 350 S. Figueroa. Frustratingly close to my most hoped for image. If the camera were to simply pan right 90 degrees, we would be looking directly at the Hlidreth carriage house at 715 W. 4th Street, the studio of Margrethe Mather. And in 1937, she might very well have been there on the day this shot was taken. It pleases me deeply to think she enjoyed this exact view, occasionally must have stood right here and looked down on Sack Alley. Similarly, if we were to look the other way, 90 degrees to the left, we would be looking at the Castle Tower Apartments, the repurposed Hershey Mansion.

USC digital archive/Automobile Club of Southern California collection, 1892-1963


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/...4aee9d60_o.jpgLooking east on 4th Street at Figueroa, ca.1920

First, let's just say we are still facing some drainage issues out here west of Bunker Hill. Well, we're looking up 4th Street from Figueroa to Flower Street where 4th Street dead-ends and then the too steep slope up to the 4th Street stub just west of Hope Street. Up at the cut, in silhouette on the left, we can see the Hildreth Mansion at 357 S. Hope on the NW corner of 4th and Hope Streets. Just below the Hildreth, I believe we may be seeing the light reflecting just a shade lighter off the roof of the Hildreth carriage house (at 715 W. 4th Street). On the right side of the cut we see a cluster of white buildings, the tallest of which is the Briggs at 407 S. Hope. But hugging the side of the hill below the Briggs, nearer the camera, is the Castle Tower Apartments at 750 W. 4th Street. To the right of the Briggs (directly behind the telephone pole) is the white outline of the Rubaiyat and next to it, the smaller, darker outline of the Santa Barbara Apartments. Sharp peaked tower of the State Normal School is seen on the horizon to the right. Seattle Apartments here middle/right, middle distance, date the image to before 1920 as they will become the Wells Apartments by 1921.

LAPL

GaylordWilshire Apr 29, 2014 11:55 AM


Sorry, FW, but I don't read them all, especially if I'm traveling, such as on Easter weekend...

GaylordWilshire Apr 29, 2014 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 6557007)
So many amazing photos in the latest update. What's so great about them (aside from being in color) is that they give so much context to the buildings we already know. So many shots of entire blocks and street corners that really give you a much more clear sense of all the buildings in relation to one another. One of his photos really interested me in particular, one that was labeled as the "Oldest old Bldg in Down Town LA Figueroa 5th to 6th." I know the photo is dark but it's there, in the middle of a parking lot. Looks like it was located just south of the Vanderbilt Apartments. Anyone know anything about this building?

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psf53fd74e.jpgHDL


Tetsu--That's not the Vanderbilt at the left in the HDL shot--I'm thinking this might be Fremont if not Figueroa between 5th & 6th... given the positions of the Sunkist and the Edison building and the library. Perhaps that's the Cecilia at left-- but were any of these wooden buildings west of Figueroa still there by the mid-50s? (Judging by the newest car I see, a '56 Buick....). Anyone?


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...la540sfig2.jpgHistoric Map Works

HossC Apr 29, 2014 2:37 PM

:previous:

The HDL notes say "Figueroa 5th to 6th". I posted this picture a couple of months ago, and I believe the building on the right (under the TWA advert) is the one behind the little house.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

Here are a couple of aerials. The Richfield Building is roughly in the center near the bottom. I've arrowed where I think the little house was.

1948

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Oldest1948.jpg
Historic Aerials

1952

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Oldest1952.jpg
Historic Aerials

This is another HDL picture from 1957 (previously posted by FredH).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...urMarHotel.jpg
Huntington Digital Library

The white building with columns is the Bur Mar Hotel, so, using the 1956 CD (below), the dark wooden building next to it must be the St Dunston Apartments. If these apartments are the ones on the left of Tetsu's picture, then could the little house have belonged to Ray F Allman?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...dest1956CD.jpg
LAPL

ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 5:32 PM

:previous: The plot thickens. :)



Tourists At Universal City pose in front of the amazing sets constructed for The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/845/qxg7.jpg
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The photo is dated 1927 (3 years after the release of The Hunchback of Notre Dame)





Here is a movie still that shows part of the set.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/834/3ulb.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hun...ame_(1923_film)

Lon Chaney as the Quasimodo and Patsy Ruth Miller as Esmeralda.
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ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 5:51 PM

..another photograph from Universal City.

A coal mine set dated 1910.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/843/1ksq.jpg
ebay

Does anyone know what movie this might have been built for? 1910 is awfully early.
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ethereal_reality Apr 29, 2014 6:01 PM

Intriguing photographs of the Macy Street area. (all from ebay)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/845/a2su.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...0/841/c8ge.jpg




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/838/egtl.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640.../845/a4857.jpg




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/845/3b44.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...0/842/8rwk.jpg

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