Woah, it just so happens I will be in NYC that day! :notacrook:

Will probably get delayed a day or two before then though given how this project's gone.

Lucky, I will be visiting New York on the 12th :(

That's it!! I remember 191st. This is where my friend who lived on this streets. She always take on subways. I remember where it is. I remember we took on subways from Time Square to 191st.

From yesterday

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Uptown 6 train at Grand Central by Corey Best, on Flickr

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7 train at Times Square by Corey Best, on Flickr

Start your Engines....34th Street - Hudson Yards is coming soon....

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Coming soon 34th Street - Hudson Yards by Corey Best, on Flickr

Alrighty!!! Just about time!!! It's long overdue!!!! Finally!!!

Exciting, but not as exciting as it would be if they were opening two stations along this extension. Skipping out on 10th Ave leaves a rather sizable gap between the Times Square station and 34th Street stations.

well ya just gotta hold yr horses, it will probably happen at some point. we knew the press was on --> per ny yimby regarding larry silverstein's massive 520 w41st project:


Impetus for change will hopefully occur sooner than later with the arrival of thousands of new residents, which will also hopefully encourage the city to restart construction on the 7-line station on 41st Street and 10th Avenue. Awarding additional residential density in exchange for the creation of a fund to finish the station would be a small step towards solving the larger housing crisis while also building out existing capabilities.

There is no shell built for the proposed station at 10th Ave. Building out a brand new station along an active subway line would be so expensive and complex, it is even beyond the abilities of New York's deep-pocketed developers. That station will never happen, the ship has sailed.

^^^^

The closest example to somehting of that magnitude would be the rebuilding of Cortlandt Str. station and that's been steadily heading towards a 2018 opening, so something like this is definitely doable when the money and willpower are found. I wouldn't count this station out even if there's no talk about it for the next 10 years because the population of both residents and workers is on track for a boom.

^ i think that was more the point, not that it may be built for 520 w41st or any one developer, but as an eventual result of collective pressure for it.

Paris and London (soon) have through trains in tunnels to speed up connections, almost like a second subway system for higher-speed/longer distance travel (RER and Crossrail). NY needs to think about this. I would suggest, instead of future subway expansions, a Crossrail-style connection tunnel linking the various suburban rail systems, with as top right under Times Square or 5th Avenue, be considered as a more valuable direction. I think it would solve many issues with congestion.

Not really the same situation. Cortlandt St station was surrounded by the WTC excavations and it could be accessed easily.

The 7 extension is far deeper in a bored tunnel, up to 110' below ground in solid rock. I'm not saying it's strictly impossible, just that it will be so expensive it will never happen. It would certainly be possible if they closed the line during construction, but good luck telling that to all the new Hudson Yards commuters.

But of course the NYC subway has both local and express service so it has a lot of that already built into it. Paris metro has short distances between stops and no express so needed the RER more (so not surprising it got it first) and London underground has longer stop spacing so they needed it less, so no surprise it is only now it's getting Crossrail.

That doesn't help suburban dwellers. The subway doesn't go far out. The commuter network should be linked up through the city with RER style tunnels allowing for rapid transit links to/from the suburbs and faster/better travel between major poles in the city. Right now the suburban trains are all terminated at stations leading to congestion. This would take people off subway trains too allowing for less congestion. The express functionality on the subway isn't anything like what I'm talking about. The Crossrail and Rer link the commuter rail directly to major employment poles and they allow for linkages and through-running of those trains.

The subway is already deeply connected to commuter lines via Pennsylvania Station and Grand Central Terminal. Between the two are direct connections to 11 subway lines (and the nearby PATH). The MetroNorth also stops at Harlem 125th Street for uptown destinations.

In Brooklyn you have the Atlantic Avenue LIRR Terminal which connects to 6 subway lines. In Queens you have multiple LIRR stations, many with nearby Subway connections with the hub being Jamaica Station which has direct connection to 3 lines + the AirTrain.

So respectfully, I disagree with your assessment.

^ not to mention, there is also more of that on the way with east side access. and path of course.

now would i like a rail line running straight across town and from the middle of nj to the middle of li? sure why not? anybody got a googleplex zillion bucks lying around?

i'd rather have a complete 2nd ave & a triboro rx than cater to suburbia.

It's not just about suburbia. All those place in the outer boroughs where the subway doesn't reach - the LIRR and Metro-North do. They just don't have enough stations and the trains run too infrequently.

A good first step would be extending the LIRR Atlantic Ave branch to a new Lower Manhattan station and then connecting it into PATH so trains could run from Jamaica to Newark. Then build a few more infill stations along Atlantic Ave (Woodhaven, Conduit) and improve the existing stations at Nostrand and East New York.

yep i know -- mta triboro rx is all about the outer boroughs exclusively.

also, i do have hope that the new lga air train will be connected up with the jfk air train at some point and that would provide some 'stealth' far outer borough rapid rail transit relief as well.

i'd rather have these projects first, along with a complete 2nd ave, before a lower manhattan lirr link, although that is needed too.

otherwise, yes, commuter rail could do a better job with borough service for sure.

are you aware that if the governor has his way we will be getting just exactly what you propose, except with metro-north in the east bronx?:
http://web.mta.info/mta/planning/psas/

Top Ten Subway Stations With Highest Share of Structural Components Not In State of Good Repair By Borough:

Link (Map/Diagrams): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...VETUpyZVE/view

Crossrail is about providing substantial capacity relief by diverting commuter trains (under and across London) which currently terminate at Liverpool Street and Paddington. Crossrail would provide an unofficial ‘fast’ service for the Central Line on a 21 station stretch between Ealing Broadway and Stratford, but this is behind the more pertinent benefits (beyond the above mentioned capacity growth) of freeing up terminating platforms for other services, underground interchange relief at these and other stations, increased cross-city connectivity, and unlocking the redevelopment potential of various parts of the capital.

Interestingly the original purpose of the Metropolitan Railway (the first underground line in the world) was not for ‘metro’ services, but longer-distance Crossrail-like trains to run through and across Central London. London has technically also had a Crossrail-like route since the Snow Hill Tunnel opened in 1866, but it won’t be until the Thameslink Programme (allowing for 24 commuter trains per hour in each direction) is complete in 2018 that it is broadly comparable to what Crossrail will deliver.

A New York equivalent of Crossrail would be commuter trains running from Princeton Junction to Oyster Bay.