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Grand might make more sense as a light-rail line, because it fills in a gap in the rapid-transit network. Unfortunately, it's mainly an industrial corridor, so it's not very dense (the 65 is not particularly well-used). |
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The only points where it would have a significant difficulty are crossing the River, where that bridge is too narrow already. That bridge needs to be redone anyway. I would think that the best solution there would be to get the two buildings next to it to make their level adjacent to the sidewalk into an arcade and build the bridge so that it's as wide as the street before and after the bridge. It would make it interesting for pedestrians and improve traffic flow and/or allow a dedicated streetcar/brt lane. The second point is after Lasalle, and especially after Dearborn, where it narrows significantly and gets all the traffic of the Michigan Ave area. This would be ideal for a cut-and-cover "streetcar subway" that extended from maybe Lasalle turning under Fairbanks until Ohio then returning to the surface for the widened Congress. You could run them on the existing lower Columbus to Monroe and keep them running to the Museum Campus during museum hours or for Soldier Field events. A cut-and-cover subway from Lasalle/Chicago to Fairbanks/Ohio would cost a lot, and be disruptive, and a new bridge at Chicago/theRiver would cost a lot, but otherwise it wouldn't be an expensive way to tie together tourist areas, provide better service to the Ukranian Village area, and eliminate some of the congestion at Michigan/Chicago presently caused by 66/Chicago buses. You could even extend it all the way to McCormick. Running on Columbus, with signal control and a little bit of dedicated ROW, you could keep trip times between the Michigan Ave hotel district and McCormick Place pretty low. |
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I would be ecstatic if they restored service down Elston or Clybourn.
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I ran a few back-of-an-envelope numbers for streetcars in Chicago.
A system that run only along the historic boulevards would be about 18 miles long. Let's call it 20 miles. Portland spent about $12.9 million per track mile, so about $25.8 per route mile (not exactly, since in a few places they're single-tracked, but about). So for Chicago and inflationary purposes and being fairly conservative we could say that surface trolly lines could be built for $35 million a mile. A 20-mile stretch then is $700 million. If Chicago managed to do it for the same price as Portland and kept it to 18 miles, it could be as cheap as $465 million. Portland's pricing includes trams to support 15-minute headways, so Chicago would probably need a bit more so probably somewhere between $500 and $750 million to do it right. The service area for this would be approximately 27 square miles, or about 12% of the land area of the City. The property tax revenues collected in the City proper were around $3.9 billion in 2008. Of that, around $800 million go to the City government. 12% of $3.9 billion is around $468 million, and about $115 million of that would be the City's take. To fund 30-year bonds for a $700 million trolley system would take about $45 million per year (at 5% interest). So, if we were to want to fund that entirely through induced development and real estate valuation improvement, the development and valuation in that 12% of the city would need to increase by about 40% more than the across the board city average does within about 10 year of construction. That makes a lot of assumptions, but that's about what it would take. So we're basically talking about doubling the land value for a big chunk of that area, to make up for places where it doesn't increase by that much. Is that possible? It's not impossible. But to do that, you'd probably need about 25,000 new housing units, some amount of new industrial and some amount of new commercial development to happen in those corridors. That's hard to do when most of those areas have actually been losing population for quite a while. It'd be cool to make a real effort toward it, though. Who knows, it might just be possible. |
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Unfortunately, it's a little too circuitous to be useful. Maybe just an Elston-Clybourn bus, crossing the river at Diversey? I don't know where a logical southern terminus is... there's really nothing of interest at Division/Clybourn. |
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Speaking of bus routes, I can't be the only one who would like to see the 22/Clark extended south to Roosevelt, turning around by Roosevelt/Desplaines, and the 24/Wentworth extended to turn around in front of the Newberry Library. Each of those would add a mile or less to their routes, but would really enhance their usefulness. |
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I've always wondered why there is no better connection between the mid-north Lakefront and the O'Hare line. Irving would be ideal. Go much further north and you overshoot O'Hare. Much further south and it's just as easy to go south into the Loop then transfer to the O'Hare line back out.
I'm sure there is some reason, but I wonder every time I go to O'Hare and see all of the people on the Addison/Belmont/Irving bus going to the O'Hare L. |
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Anything more expensive or complex would require years of studies and coordinated political support, so its pretty much a pipe dream. By contrast, a bus lane could be installed overnight out of the city's existing budget, Meigs Field-style. |
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The route you propose would be easier, but it would not provide significant improvements over current service. I'd personally rather just not spend any money than spend it doing a half-ass sort of solution. Every time I ride the 66/Chicago bus, it's jam-packed, even as far as Western. Demand is there, and it would only increase if there were a regular streetcar with a streetcar subway under Michigan Ave. Navigating the Red Line would be hard but not impossible and I think the benefit of partially-grade-separated service linking west Chicago Ave, the Blue, Brown and Red lines to the Watertower area is a good one. As with anything, the primary question is money. |
Michigan City's South Shore Line alternatives analysis study is underway. To boil it down, the city's hope for this TIGER-funded study is essentially to identify a way to make the northern route work, without costing too much, so the destructive 11th street alternative does not have to be chosen.
These are the alternatives that have been identified so far. 3 or 3a seem to be the best to me: they have the fewest property impacts and involve no expensive bridge construction and no ugly and unnecessary elevated routes through downtown. The only question mark I can see here, is whether crossing over the Amtrak tracks at grade would be too disruptive. If not, then awesome. South Shore already crosses Amtrak at an at-grade diamond, after all. But in order to have a grade separated crossing for Amtrak, but avoid elevated routes through the center of town and lots of property acquisition, how about this (call it 3B): relocate the Amtrak line in a way so that it can cross the South Shore line on a bridge west of town. There are power lines near there but maybe it could be done. Of course this is all just from looking at Google Maps. |
^^ I hate narrow-minded studies too, but that's how the game works.
Your idea sounds good. However, I don't understand the problem with street-running, so long as the segment is limited and well-designed. My personal preference would be Option 3a, but with the alignment relocated to the center of Michigan Blvd between 6th and 11th Streets. This avoids costly and disruptive property acquisition. The trains could run in a landscaped median to remove the majority of traffic conflicts. Assuming that street-running is utterly forbidden, though, Option 4 might be better... it will depend on what the costs are. It may end up being less expensive to build a new vertical-lift bridge and route the trains northeast of town (with a new overpass built on Hwy 12). That would remove most of the need for property takings. |
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(1) It's slow (2) It's expensive to maintain in comparison with dedicated right-of-way, particularly in somewhere as snowy as Michigan City (3) The kicker, what actually got this project rolling when the South Shore and NICTD have been trying to accomplish this for decades: Federally mandated PTC, which cannot be implemented on a street running corridor. |
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The intersections along Michigan Blvd would be "closed"... converted to right-in right-out access to prevent traffic from crossing the median. |
Just a reminder about the Red Line meeting tonight.
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Please wear some kind of ID so we will know who you are (I will be). |
For what it's worth, I wrote up a brief reaction to the Red Line extension, and the CTA's other extension plans that have been put on hold here: http://wp.me/phx7y-1F
The upshot is that the Red Line extension is the only one of the three that really makes any sense, if the goal is a car-independent central city. |
As far as I can tell, the only "news" at the meeting last night was that CTA now has ~8 million to move forward with the studies of the North Main and the Red extension. I guess before now, they were in a holding pattern and making virtually no progress.
As I mentioned before, there is a cool new branding of the three Red Line projects with neat names and logos. Also, this cool Jules Guerin, Plan of Chicago-like rendering: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4809/redlinem.jpg |
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So are they really going to remove all the stops north of 95th so it can run express straight to the Loop? :)
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Did anyone else notice that the above map shows an extension of the ME South Chicago branch to Whiting? Is that planned?
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No, it's just incorrect.
I think they meant to show the Amtrak line and somehow connected it into the ME instead of its real route along the Skyway. |
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I think the diagram was drawn by someone not completely familiar with the systems. |
Metra Board Meeting Friday August 12th
Hello all, the next Metra Board Meeting is scheduled for 9am Friday, August
12th, 2011 at Metra Headquarters; 547 W. Jackson Blvd in Downtown Chicago (SW across from Chicago Union Station). I will be there to testify as to how when Exec. Dir. Alex Clifford gave his Presentation recently at the Hearing held by Sen. Sandoval and Rep. Soto on threatened Metra Fare Increases and Service Cuts, and stated that they had looked at all possibilities on increasing revenues and reducing costs - but he left out consideration of some solutions from the community on how to eliminate some very expensive and wasteful competitive practices, reduce losses, potentially increase ridership and revenues significantly - and possibly find a way for Metra for the first time to receive funding from The City of Chicago for some of Metra's in-city operations. It would be great if Sen. Sandoval and/or Rep. Soto could attend the Board Meeting for the Public Comment period at the beginning of the Meeting about 9am, which would allow them to hear the entire Metra Board addressed about the CTA Gray Line Proposal, how it would eliminate waste and competition between Metra and CTA on Chicago's South Side; and for the first time give Metra access to City Funds. I am working with their Offices to see if they might be able to attend. They could then later question Metra, and Metra could then explain how "they AREN'T interested in increasing their revenues in that way". If any of you can, please attend the Board Meeting and lend your support (or opposition) to our efforts. Thanks, Mike Payne |
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Believe it or not, but 99.99% of people are not urbanophiles like us and would never notice or care that there is a slight inaccuracy in an artist's interpretation. |
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Sadly, you are exactly right. |
Metra Board Meeting this Friday August 12th
Metra - Board of Directors Meeting Calender for 2011:
http://metrarail.com/content/dam/met...lendar2011.pdf If you can, please attend the Metra Board of Directors Meeting this coming Friday - August 12th at 9am; they are seeking your input on their recently announced Fare Increases and Service Cuts. I will be there to submit my ideas on ways to change or improve the situation. |
A few years back, I had done a study on the re-use of the traffic tunnels which are under the river @ LaSalle/Wash/VanBuren. I had visualized these tunnels refurbished and integrated into a modern subway and lightrail system, costing less than excavation for new tunnels. The experts I consulted with were not too receptive to the idea in that the old tunnels, according to them, were too far deteriorated for any renewal.
Anyhow, here was my concept: https://picasaweb.google.com/lbrownj...18884934107282 |
^^ That's crap. Even refurbishment would be cheaper than digging a whole new set of tunnels.
Also, does this look like a lost cause? Washington St Tunnel http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7...progress06.jpg |
Statement to Metra Board of Directors Meeting - August 12, 2011
Good Morning Ladies & Gentlemen and Metra Board Members - and Thank You for this opportunity.
My name is Mike Payne, and I am the Author of the CTA Gray Line Project to convert the In-city Metra Electric District services (the South Chicago, Kensington, and Blue Island routes - and a new Hegewisch Shuttle), to a Regional integrated CTA 'L' operation. When Exec. Dir. Clifford testified recently at Sen. Sandoval & Rep. Soto's Hearing on Fare Increases and Service Cuts, he stated that Metra had researched many options to avoid those cuts or increases. I have addressed Metra's, CTA & RTA's Boards many times on how the Gray Line would reduce both Agencies Operating Costs by Millions; and create a Huge Increase in Ridership and Revenues. In their present Operating Format, Metra's Electric District and CTA compete with each other directly - wasting Millions in Fuel, Labor, Power Consumption, and Repairs & Maintenance; like two Wal-Marts right across the street from each other. I have communicated with Sen. Sandoval's and Rep. Soto's Offices in relation to both Agencies Operating Costs and Major Capital Project Local Funding; and to see if they could find a way to influence Metra and CTA to work towards more Regional Goals, both for their own benefits - and to benefit the People of NE Illinois. CTA and Metra have many paid Lobbyists in Washington and Springfield seeking funding to implement their Major Capital Projects; I am seeking $200 Million in Capital Funds for a Chicago Area Major Capital Project that would create Thousands of New Jobs and stimulate Economic Development, and I am working more-or-less all by myself. Next Month, The Regional Transportation Authority and the Chicago Department of Transportation will tentatively hold the second "South Lakefront Corridor Transit Study" Public Meeting - part of which studies the Gray Line proposal. I would like to invite you Exec. Dir. Clifford - and CTA President Claypool to attend, once a date is set for the Meeting. Since I harass both Agencies Board Secretaries regularly - Ms. Murphy here at Metra, and Greg Longhini at CTA - they will know immediately when that information is available. Google Search: CTA Gray Line for detailed information about the Proposal, the Lakefront Corridor Study, and contact information. Thank you all for your time - and Good Day. |
Chicago drafts first-ever master plan for pedestrians
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Chicago Budget 2012 - Gray Line Idea Submission
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I couldn't find other sources, but there are some for sale on eBay (I'm not selling them, and I'm not suggesting you buy them, I'm just pointing out the cool illustrations in the listings): South Portal North Portal |
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Road diets sound good. I'm in favor of narrowing Michigan Avenue to just 4 lanes with only busses and trolleys...... ---Runs and hides--- |
Michigan Avenue is fine. North Avenue in the Clybourn area is not.
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Interesting. My main issue is that the MPC's proposal is based on the availability of roadspace, so you end up with a ton of BRT on the Southwest Side with relatively little in the dense areas where people might actually realize decent time savings from BRT strategies. Little thought seems to be given to the possibility of working around CTA's existing plans. For example, the Halsted BRT seems like a huge waste of money when the Red Line Extension will run only 1/2 mile away. Also, the Garfield BRT starts and ends at odd points. It would be a great way to quickly connect the Hyde Park area with Midway Airport (functionally like New York's M60 bus), but it doesn't run to either of those places. I've maintained that Irving Park is a good candidate for BRT or LRT because of its roadspace (it was ambitiously widened in the 1920s) but also because it has numerous connections to existing rail lines, it runs through dense, economically vibrant areas, and it serves the significant seasonal traffic to Cubs games. The MPC's Irving Park proposal not only does not connect to the high-density lakefront and Wrigleyville, but it doesn't even connect to the Red Line. Unless, of course, they're envisioning the rapid buses on Irving Park continuing on to the lakefront in mixed traffic. Besides, the jury's still out on whether Emanuel is willing to take the heat for converting auto lanes or parking lanes into full-time bus lanes. The mayor's spokesman, and Claypool, aren't really saying anything. |
10 proposed CTA bus rapid transit routes
The Metropolitan Planning Council has developed a plan to bring bus rapid transit to Chicago:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...612559.graphic |
http://chicago.everyblock.com/announ...forms-4186225/
Looks like people are finally starting to pay attention to the fact the platforms on the Brown Line are completely falling apart just a few short years after they were finished. I'd noticed them replacing disintegrating boards at Sedgwick the summer after it was completed, and now it appears the stations that were the first ones done are now the ones where people are already putting their feet through the boards and they're all starting to split at once. Good work CTA! God forbid we use strong wood and SEAL it against the weather. |
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IIRC, it’s roughly what Eugene paid for their system, which mostly one-way tracks in a grassy median with passing areas at stops. Cleveland’s BRT was more expensive—I think it was around $30 million per mile, but it also included a full do-over of their streetscape. $13 million per mile in Chicago sounds like a pretty good deal to me, though only if they include physically-separated lanes.
I haven’t read it yet, but the full report is downloadable here. |
If you have physically separated lanes, will they be wide enough for snow plow trucks to push snow far enough out of the way that it won't pile up on the side and prevent the buses from being able to travel in the lane?
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Some of the renders in the pdf look weird. For example, what's up with the buses running on the left?
Some of the bus routes look pretty ambitious, for US-style BRT anyway. |
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I'm guessing that instead of a low curb, they could just paint a solid yellow line and then mill rumble strips into the road surface. That combined with a solid color fill in the bus lane should be enough to keep motorists out. They could also use the removable plastic bollards like the Kinzie cycle track has, although those would need to be removed before any plowing. |
The actual solution will probably be much simpler: A bus is no skinnier than a snowplow so they'll just run normal snowplows (probably using the side street blades, not the LSD/arterial blades) down the bus lane and keep it clear like that. This isn't exactly rocket science, the city clears one-lane stretches of side street all the time that are often even skinnier than the bus lanes would likely have to be to allow the buses some wiggle room.
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^^^ I was recently in Toronto. They have some lanes that are dedicated to street cars and buses. They get their fair share of snow and they seem to run their system just fine. I don't see any practical (i.e. not political) reason why this can't be done here.
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