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JManc Mar 31, 2021 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9234277)
“Worldwide pandemic” that only seems to afflict the very old in certain places.

I don’t think you guys understand the level of personal irresponsibility amongst the gray haired crowd in the U.K. throughout this, which I imagine was much the same in Europe. In the US it seems that older people have generally avoid riskier situations out of caution, which is a good thing. In Britain they were the first people back to the pub, and the most likely to have illegal dinner parties and things during lockdown. There were older partners at my firm who got Covid during the first “stay at home” order last spring because they had the whole family around for Sunday lunch.

Some sense of self-preservation on their part, coupled with looser rules for younger people could have built more immunity (it doesn’t really matter whether some magic threshold for “herd immunity” was achieved), could have avoided these repeated lockdowns and another lost summer.

Every 'grey hair' I know has been taking this VERY seriously. Staying home, avoiding crowds but it's the Avocado toast eating set that's fucking things up for the rest of us by prolonging this pandemic by crowding in Miami Beach. I get that people are over Covid (I certainly am) but it hasn't gone away just because we're sick of it. At least until we're vaccinated.

jtown,man Mar 31, 2021 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV (Post 9234374)
Biden should send $500 checks to everyone who gets the vaccine. That should help with vaccination rates and probably more than pays for itself.

That's actually an interesting idea that would certainly boost numbers.


My sisters elementary school is meeting next week to discuss when to end their mask mandate for teachers and kids. Meanwhile here in Chicago I am still not allowed to go in with my dog for a vet appointment yet can get a full body massage and eat inside anywhere lol

JManc Mar 31, 2021 7:33 PM

The government should spend $500 per person to get a vaccine they already spent billions helping to develop and untold millions more to educate the public about. I am thinking we let Darwin do his thing and let the anti-vaxxers tempt fate without having to be bribed.

jtown,man Mar 31, 2021 8:47 PM

^^^Also a good point lol

Pedestrian Mar 31, 2021 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9234727)
The government should spend $500 per person to get a vaccine they already spent billions helping to develop and untold millions more to educate the public about. I am thinking we let Darwin do his thing and let the anti-vaxxers tempt fate without having to be bribed.

The solution would be to put them all in a closed space--maybe some sports arena like after a hurricane--and keep them maskless for a few days.

Unfortunately, it's in no one's interest to let nature take its course and just provide a reservoir for simmering infection. It would be necessary to bring the pot to a boil and get them all infected--then ultimately dead or immune--at the same time in order to get the epidemic over.

I'd spend $500 to put everybody who refuses the vaccine in the Superdome and lock them down for a week.

Pedestrian Mar 31, 2021 8:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9234528)
Every 'grey hair' I know has been taking this VERY seriously. Staying home, avoiding crowds but it's the Avocado toast eating set that's fucking things up for the rest of us by prolonging this pandemic by crowding in Miami Beach. I get that people are over Covid (I certainly am) but it hasn't gone away just because we're sick of it. At least until we're vaccinated.

Every time a certain London-dwelling forumer pipes up with what the most susceptible owe him for his suffering, I wonder if he's had it yet and whether he'd mind getting it and blogging the experience for us because, after all, he's totally confident it wouldn't bother him.

Pedestrian Mar 31, 2021 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jtown,man (Post 9234650)
That's actually an interesting idea that would certainly boost numbers.


My sisters elementary school is meeting next week to discuss when to end their mask mandate for teachers and kids. Meanwhile here in Chicago I am still not allowed to go in with my dog for a vet appointment yet can get a full body massage and eat inside anywhere lol

I just don't get the emotion over wearing a mask. COVID aside, I celebrate not having had a cold in over a year. I'm so used to wearing my mask I think I may wear one in crowds or around bunches of people I don't know like on transit for the rest of my life. I really think I'd get a lot less respiratory disease and generally be healthier.

Of course I've always been used to wearing surgical masks at work so simply wearing one is nothing new for me but it would have seemed so strange to wear one in public before. Now I suspect people will not be surprised and a fair number may be doing likewise.

10023 Mar 31, 2021 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9234528)
Every 'grey hair' I know has been taking this VERY seriously. Staying home, avoiding crowds but it's the Avocado toast eating set that's fucking things up for the rest of us by prolonging this pandemic by crowding in Miami Beach. I get that people are over Covid (I certainly am) but it hasn't gone away just because we're sick of it. At least until we're vaccinated.

That’s in the US, not in the U.K., which is exactly my point.

And it’s not the “avocado toast crowd” in South Beach. It’s the ghetto crowd that’s over there right now. More importantly, Covid wasn’t “going away” no matter how strict restrictions could plausibly be in the West.

Pedestrian Mar 31, 2021 11:33 PM

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Snowbirds Fly South for the Vaccine
By Craig Offman
March 30, 2021 6:31 pm ET

Toronto

We Canadians are a compliant flock. We have faith in our government. We share a strong egalitarian streak. If there is a line, we’ll stand in it peacefully. But the Liberal government’s bungled rollout of Covid-19 vaccinations is ruffling feathers here, and many people in my parents’ cohort have ditched the wait and flown south in search of their own vaccinations. This may be hard for Americans to understand, but in Canada this qualifies as subversive.

You can hardly blame these seniors. If the government can’t protect them, who will? These people have been cooped up for more than a year, unable to hug their grandchildren or stroll without fearing the quiet menace of aerosol particles. Many complain that the vaccine registration systems, controlled by provinces, are impenetrable or Soviet: You have to know someone or hope for a lucky glitch that lets you slide into the queue. The statistics also offer little hope. So far, 1.8% of Canadians have been fully vaccinated, a rate that puts us slightly behind Brazil.

Further, when the first round of jabs began around February, disheartening news followed. In early March, Canada became the only country in the world to delay the second dose by four months. We love our quirks, but uniquely inept life-and-death policy decisions strain one’s patience. When addressing how that extension would affect the province of British Columbia, Canada’s chief science adviser, Mona Nemer, framed it as a “population-level experiment.” How comforting.

Facing questions about what guidelines Canadians with one shot should follow, Ottawa mangled the message even more: “I would expect the advice to evolve as we go along,” said Chief Public Health Officer Theresa Tam. “But it’s a bit early.”

The other day, my mother and I were on the phone counting 40 people we know who had migrated south over the past two months in search of shots. Some of them already owned condos down there, and while they initially didn’t go, for fear of mingling in a state where rules around masks seemed relatively lax, staying put in Canada came to seem more dangerous. Shots in Florida formally require proof of residence or regular rental. If that can be established, being vaccinated is as easy as rolling up and ordering a double-double coffee at Tim Hortons.

David Peltz, a Toronto real-estate investor, was already at his second home in South Florida earlier this winter when he heard how easy it was to get the shots and got them. People back home greeted his update with a combination of happiness for him and anger at the government for a botched job. “It was just awkward,” he says. “They just want the same opportunity.”

There is, alas, a price to pay on the way home. Flying back to Canada means three nights in a quarantine hotel, even for people who are vaccinated. That rule is now being challenged in an Ontario court as “overbroad, arbitrary and grossly disproportionate.”

Speaking of arbitrary, the rule doesn’t apply to Canadians returning by car. So rather than flying into Toronto Pearson Airport and paying thousands to stay at one of the designated hotels, Torontonians can land in Buffalo, hire a driver for a few hundred dollars, and cross the border. Why not? If your feet are on the ground, the border is merely a state of mind.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/snowbir...ion_major_pos6

10023 Apr 1, 2021 12:01 AM

^ Same reason people fly into Newark rather than LGA, to avoid New York’s quarantine.

iheartthed Apr 1, 2021 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9235032)
^ Same reason people fly into Newark rather than LGA, to avoid New York’s quarantine.

NY's rules are same for everyone, no matter what mode of transportation they arrive on. And NY's quarantine rules don't apply to travelers passing through. And Buffalo is in NY, so if the quarantine rules weren't waived for people passing through, the Buffalo workaround wouldn't be an option until recently...

JManc Apr 1, 2021 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9234946)
That’s in the US, not in the U.K., which is exactly my point.

And it’s not the “avocado toast crowd” in South Beach. It’s the ghetto crowd that’s over there right now. More importantly, Covid wasn’t “going away” no matter how strict restrictions could plausibly be in the West.

The ghetto crowd aren't in their 60's. They're young people who may not be named 'Kyle' or 'Harley' but still don't care if they catch Covid and spread it around. I'm all for opening back up and removing mask mandates once the majority of the population gets their second shot. Only 15% of the US is fully vaccinated. I think you think you're the only one put out by all this when virtually everyone I know is tired of the bullshit masks and social distancing.

Pedestrian Apr 1, 2021 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9235039)
NY's rules are same for everyone, no matter what mode of transportation they arrive on. And NY's quarantine rules don't apply to travelers passing through. And Buffalo is in NY, so if the quarantine rules weren't waived for people passing through, the Buffalo workaround wouldn't be an option until recently...

The point, I think, is that New York's rules aren't enforced and nowhere in the US except perhaps Hawaii are quarantine rules enforced that I know of. I'm pretty sure the NYPD doesn't track down everybody (or anybody) landing at a New York airport and make sure they stay in a hotel room for some number of days. I absolutely know the SFPD doesn't--I've returned to CA from AZ without even checking the rules because I know they wouldn't be enforced. I'm not sure exactly what the SFPD does these days besides collecting their paychecks.

But evidently if you fly into Canada directly, they not only check on you but they make you go to a designated hotel and stay there. Other countries like Australia apparently do this too. But I'm not aware of anywhere in the continental US that they do it so no matter what the rules are you can fly into somewhere in the US, rent a car and drive into Canada and go your merry way.

sopas ej Apr 1, 2021 2:26 AM

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SlidellWx Apr 1, 2021 6:52 AM

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jbermingham123 Apr 1, 2021 6:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 9235133)

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jtown,man Apr 1, 2021 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9234833)
I just don't get the emotion over wearing a mask. COVID aside, I celebrate not having had a cold in over a year. I'm so used to wearing my mask I think I may wear one in crowds or around bunches of people I don't know like on transit for the rest of my life. I really think I'd get a lot less respiratory disease and generally be healthier.

Of course I've always been used to wearing surgical masks at work so simply wearing one is nothing new for me but it would have seemed so strange to wear one in public before. Now I suspect people will not be surprised and a fair number may be doing likewise.

Well, first people don't like being forced to do things. Second, its incredibly uncomfortable during the summer when your breath is heating up your face. Third, it isn't normal. "But the Japanese wear masks!" Yes, when they are sick and not every single day. Fourth, it literally makes us less humane. I notice people not wearing masks smile more, or at least that's what I thought. In reality, I just don't know people's expressions anymore. Sure, you can take in subtle cues like wrinkles forming in people's foreheads that can indicate a smile or eyes showing you something. But it's not the same. Fifth, I am about the be fully vaccinated in one week. I. Don't. Need. A. Mask. There is no study indicating that I would need one. That's like me wearing a jacket in the middle of the summer, there's no reason for it. If *you* think me wearing a jacket makes *you* feel better, too bad. I don't care.


So yeah, continue to wear your mask. Please do if you like it. But a MANDATE for healthy people and people already vaccinated is not only pointless, its just politics.

jtown,man Apr 1, 2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9235039)
NY's rules are same for everyone, no matter what mode of transportation they arrive on. And NY's quarantine rules don't apply to travelers passing through. And Buffalo is in NY, so if the quarantine rules weren't waived for people passing through, the Buffalo workaround wouldn't be an option until recently...

There is absolutely zero way for someone to enforce covid rules for people driving into the city. Zero.

I always felt the quarantine rules were really just a way for cities and states to just discourage people from traveling there, not to actually enforce them (which would be near impossible on a large scale).

iheartthed Apr 1, 2021 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9235132)
The point, I think, is that New York's rules aren't enforced and nowhere in the US except perhaps Hawaii are quarantine rules enforced that I know of. I'm pretty sure the NYPD doesn't track down everybody (or anybody) landing at a New York airport and make sure they stay in a hotel room for some number of days. I absolutely know the SFPD doesn't--I've returned to CA from AZ without even checking the rules because I know they wouldn't be enforced. I'm not sure exactly what the SFPD does these days besides collecting their paychecks.

So I was clarifying that landing in Newark did not allow someone to skirt the rules. Also, they did perform random stops at the crossing points into New York to inform travelers of the requirement. But it was/is a "self-quarantine" requirement, meaning that it's up to you to arrange your own quarantine. It's on the honor system, so it's up to you on whether you follow it or not, but if you get caught not adhering to it then you have a legal liability. To this day, I think only one person has ever been prosecuted, but theoretically they could prosecute anyone for which there is sufficient evidence that they broke the rule.

iheartthed Apr 1, 2021 3:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jtown,man (Post 9235321)
There is absolutely zero way for someone to enforce covid rules for people driving into the city. Zero.

I always felt the quarantine rules were really just a way for cities and states to just discourage people from traveling there, not to actually enforce them (which would be near impossible on a large scale).

There absolutely is a way to enforce it. See my post above. Now whether it was useful is another story.


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