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Steely Dan Jan 20, 2022 1:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9508319)

Also holy crap Marina City Towers are turning 60!

I suspect the SSP database is wrong on that one.

CTBUH says they were completed in 1964. I believe that is the correct year of completion.

rivernorthlurker Jan 20, 2022 2:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9508395)
I suspect the SSP database is wrong on that one.

CTBUH says they were completed in 1964. I believe that is the correct year of completion.

Ah thx. SSP has this super nice search tool but a lot of the data is a bit sketch.

2PRUROCKS! Jan 20, 2022 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9503897)
chicago has built 17 major office towers so far this century. here's how they shake out on height and square footage.


1. Salesforce Tower --- 2023 - 850' - 1.6M SF
2. 110 N Wacker ------ 2020 - 817' - 1.5m SF
3. 300 N LaSalle ------ 2008 - 785' - 1.3M SF
4. BCBS Tower -------- 2010 - 744' - 1.6M SF
5. River Point --------- 2017 - 732' - 1.0M SF
6. BMO Tower --------- 2021 - 727' - 1.5M SF
7. 150 N Riverside ---- 2017 - 724' - 1.2M SF
8. 111 S Wacker ------ 2005 - 681' - 1.5M SF
9. 71 S Wacker ------- 2005 - 679' - 1.8M SF
10. UBS Tower ------- 2001 - 652' - 1.4M SF
11. 155 N Wacker ---- 2009 - 638' - 1.2M SF
12. 353 N Clark ------ 2009 - 623' - 1.2M SF
13. Citadel Center --- 2003 - 580' - 1.5M SF
14. One S Dearborn - 2005 - 571 - 0.8M SF
15. CNA Center ------ 2018 - 517' - 0.8M SF
16. 191 N Wacker --- 2002 - 516' - 0.7M SF
17. 540 W Madison -- 2003 - 453' - 1.1M SF

source: SF figures are approximate and are pulled from a variety of online sources. height figures are CTBUH.


all of the above are 21st century variations on the "form follows finance" theme.

That is weird, I thought 150 N. Riverside is 752ft? It certainly appears a little taller than Riverpoint at 732ft.

rlw777 Jan 20, 2022 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2PRUROCKS! (Post 9508992)
That is weird, I thought 150 N. Riverside is 752ft? It certainly appears a little taller than Riverpoint at 732ft.

Yeah that height for 150 N. Riverside is wrong on CTBUH so is the height listed in SSP diagrams. That's the height before they decided to add a floor or two midway through construction. I actually asked for the height figure on the SSP diagram to be changed once but nobody would change it without me finding an authoritative source and I didn't have time to search. The forum thread has it listed at the correct height.

Tombstoner Jan 20, 2022 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9508092)
IMO, you overstate this "deadening" effect of the east and west facades. ...

But you seem pretty hung up on it...

By all means, my "problem" rather than a legitimate opinion. :tup:
I love the building from some angles but think it looks dead from others (which your last photo again does not show--you continue to focus on upward sweep of the full building which is very graceful as I have always said).
Buildings I like since the 80s include the T--- Tower (can't force myself to write that name), the Legacy, Pru 2, Nema, Aqua... are any of them flawless? Of course not. Only the Chase building is. ;) Anyone who disagrees should seek psychiatric help.

Steely Dan Jan 20, 2022 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstoner (Post 9509279)
Buildings I like since the 80s include the T--- Tower (can't force myself to write that name), the Legacy, Pru 2, Nema, Aqua...

Trump tower - not an office tower

The Legacy - not an office tower

2 Pru - this is an office tower, but I'd definitely put Chase Tower ahead of 2 Pru

Nema - not an office tower

Aqua - not an office tower

Tombstoner Jan 20, 2022 9:02 PM

^^^ you had specified office towers but I just listed buildings I like since 1980. I think the Chase from many angles is terrific but from my apartment I just happen to stare into the façade of the upper 30 floors from a dead-on western vantagepoint and lament why they couldn't have made it as beautiful as the southern and northern angles. Yeah, let's agree to disagree.

build_tall_chicago Mar 18, 2022 1:49 PM

Is this still being built? Tishman Spyer website removed the project so.. Just asking.

rivernorthlurker Mar 18, 2022 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by build_tall_chicago (Post 9571057)
Is this still being built? Tishman Spyer website removed the project so.. Just asking.

Interesting - nice spot. It's been a proposal for years but there hasn't been any concrete news on construction in a long time. The city gave Tishman until Septmeber to start building I believe or 'go back to square one.' See my previous post. https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...&postcount=561

So maybe something is happening with how they're managing that land. Maybe they're selling it, maybe there's a different proposal. Let's hope that at least something is in motion now.

r18tdi Mar 18, 2022 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9571263)
Interesting - nice spot. It's been a proposal for years but there hasn't been any concrete news on construction in a long time. The city gave Tishman until Septmeber to start building I believe or 'go back to square one.' See my previous post. https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...&postcount=561

So maybe something is happening with how they're managing that land. Maybe they're selling it, maybe there's a different proposal. Let's hope that at least something is in motion now.

Tishman should sell it Onni for apartments lol

Zapatan Mar 18, 2022 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 9571309)
Tishman should sell it Onni for apartments lol

This would be a great place for super-high condos

rivernorthlurker Mar 19, 2022 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 9571853)
This would be a great place for super-high condos

Ha, yea honestly that would be pretty sweet location for a high end hotel + condos. Would love a little more residential in the Loop. Could make sense with all those new Class A offices nearby and the Riverwalk too.

Hopefully someone in charge of these decisions will catch wind of our suggestion lol.

BuildThemTaller Mar 19, 2022 4:08 PM

That this plot of land has sat vacant for more than a decade is a travesty.

I liked the previous designs for this site but am growing tired of all the blue glass towers being built nearby. I would love to see something 900+ ft. and with a little pop of shading or maybe even a little white to serve as a counterpoint to Sears Tower down the street.

Chicago_Forever Mar 19, 2022 4:13 PM

^ Lol, not happening! This location is in no way a "sweet location for high end condos". A hotel and apartments would probably work but not high end condos. This site is in the middle of the CBD and surrounded by nothing but office towers and very little else. If Mich Ave in the South Loop (1000M) can't support high end condos, I'm not sure how this location would be any better.

BuildThemTaller Mar 19, 2022 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago_Forever (Post 9572293)
^ Lol, not happening! This location is in no way a "sweet location for high end condos". A hotel and apartments would probably work but not high end condos. This site is in the middle of the CBD and surrounded by nothing but office towers and very little else. If Mich Ave in the South Loop (1000M) can't support high end condos, I'm not sure how this location would be any better.

There are residential buildings directly across the street from this plot on Franklin and on both sides of Washington St.

rivernorthlurker Mar 19, 2022 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago_Forever (Post 9572293)
^ Lol, not happening! This location is in no way a "sweet location for high end condos". A hotel and apartments would probably work but not high end condos. This site is in the middle of the CBD and surrounded by nothing but office towers and very little else. If Mich Ave in the South Loop (1000M) can't support high end condos, I'm not sure how this location would be any better.

Ok, yeah sweet location for high end apartments.

Ahoi Mar 20, 2022 1:05 PM

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This 53-story office tower is envisioned by New York-based developer Tishman Speyer, to be built on a vacant lot at the corner of North Franklin and West Washington Streets, the lot is currently the only vacant site in the northwest part of the Loop district, the previous building was demolished in 2003.
The developer proposed the project in 2012, and received approval from the city in 2015, but has been unable to find an anchored tenant, leaving the site vacant till this day. The deadline to get started on this project is September 2022, if the developer still doesn’t move on with it by that time, the approval received years ago will expire, then the developer has to start with a new project or they can transfer the property to other developers. Anyway, a skyscraper or a supertall tower will eventually be built here, for the site is located in the most sought-after area in the city and is the only vacant site in the area.
https://thetowerinfo.com/chicago-sky...tion-proposed/

the urban politician Mar 20, 2022 1:31 PM

How brilliant of the Crown Family it was to demo the historic building that was already here.

By now the old CME building would’ve been a hotel, perhaps apartments, or office lofts generating returns for its investors and tax dollars.

rivernorthlurker Apr 25, 2022 6:26 AM

Came across this photo of Randolph and Franklin from the 1979 looking North. Pretty wild and thought some here would appreciate.

via https://vintagenewsdaily.com/24-amaz...zzard-of-1979/

To help with orientation, the CNA building stands now where "Zimmerrmans" is on the northeast corner.

There is a pocket park now where the "Showmen's League" is in the photo.

130 N Franklin is on the Southwest corner slightly visible here. CME building would have been a little south of that.

Obviously a few more changes too.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-htkcpm50w...go-1970s-1.jpg

pip Apr 25, 2022 2:54 PM

^love that old pic. Great find!


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