The establishment requires masks or proof of vaccination :haha:.

I know this is a controversial take, but I actually think if you're vaccinated then testing if symptomatic (and isolating while infectious) is actually way more important than actually doing anything to prevent infection.

Basically the chance you will personally be substantially negatively impacted by COVID (particularly with Omicron) is vanishingly low. But you could still unwittingly start a transmission chain which could ultimately kill someone.

This shouldn't be a controversial take. This latest iteration of covid is ample evidence that vaccination is to protect yourself first and foremost. With something this contagious there are no reasonable mitigation measures that will make a significant impact in protecting the few who are unvaccinated and experience serious adverse effects.

But it needs to be limited to symptomatic cases, if anything. Like I’ve said, not going to work when you’re running a fever and coughing everywhere will probably become the norm. Maybe even wearing a mask when you’re sick and absolutely have to go out for essentials (like East Asians have always done). But isolating at home for a week because you’re not sick but had a positive test is too costly and too disruptive to be sustainable in the long-term, or even now.

The risk to any vaccinated person is low enough that it needs to be accepted as part of life, like we accept flu, colds, and other common diseases.

Public health experts should be focusing on tackling obesity, i.e. the root cause of practically every condition that made anyone but the very old susceptible to this stupid virus in the first place. That kills way more than 800k Americans yearly.

Heard NY and Florida both hit 70k today.

It. Does. Not. Matter.

The only problem is the requirement to isolate (i.e., the excuse for a lot of people to not show up for work).

Why are we still closing, canceling, postponing, isolating, quarantining, etc. due to covid?

We have remarkably effective vaccines.

Why are we still doing this?

If you're vaccinated and don't want to increase your chances of catching it and experiencing mild symptoms, then stay home and wear a mask when out.

If you have young children who cannot be vaccinated yet, then stay home and wear a mask when out.

If you're not vaccinated due to a health condition, then stay home and wear a mask when out.

If you're not vaccinated because it goes against your "beliefs" for whatever reason, then fuck off... everyone's tired of catering to your idiotic fragility.

This variant is extremely contagious, so it makes sense to cancel parties and other events that are guaranteed to be super spreaders and get a significant amount of people sick, vaccinated or not. There is also going to be an economic hit in a month or so whether or not the government forces a shut down.

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I'm well aware that it is highly transmissible, but so what?

If you're vaccinated (and boosted, especially), you have very little to worry about, other than possibly having mild symptoms for a couple/few days.

If you're vaccinated and don't want to go due to concern about potentially getting a bit sick, then don't go. Or if you're not vaccinated, then don't go. ​

This variant spread is happening, and it will continue to happen. And another variant will very likely emerge in the near future.

But again, we have remarkably effective vaccines.

I think an organizer making a decision to cancel an event is in the same bucket as someone personally deciding not to go. They are weighing risks to themselves, their workers, and reputation. I don't think we should go back to government shutdowns, but at the same time there's no way I'd go ahead with a large social event having witnessed what I've seen over the past 2-3 weeks. It's only slightly less stupid than getting on a cruise ship right now.

I think we are moving in the direction where these decisions are being made more and more privately. Companies choosing to cancel or postpone large gatherings, or individuals doing the same, etc, as opposed to the heavy handed mandates coming from Government, etc.

And this is exactly where we should be headed. If you’re still petrified of this virus, then you have every right to stay isolated, but no need to force your fears onto everybody else.

I welcome Omicron. I hope I get it, if I don’t already have it now. 2 colleagues had it (and of course are fine now).

Agree with all of this except the young children bit. They have never been at risk. You’re doing them a disservice by not letting them be exposed to it and gain immunity (which will probably confer a benefit in the case of another novel coronavirus decades from now).

Yeah NY is high and so in NJ too. PA is very high as well.

The Measles Covid is spreading!

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I would think actual case counts are a lot higher than those being reported as well, since at-home test kits are now widely available and I doubt people are self-reporting their positive tests (I sure as hell wouldn't).

Not that case counts matter. The more the better, actually.

Yeah the metric IMO should be deaths. If those are seeing a reduction, positive IMO.

Yes, I agree that it's their decision to cancel a big party. But there's really no reason to do so... just like canceling all of these football bowl games. If attendees are vaccinated, they have nothing to worry about. Nothing more to worry about than going to a New Years Eve party in 2018 and catching the flu or in 1999 and catching the Y2K virus.

Right, recent numbers show that of 800,000 people who died from covid complications, only 240 were under 19 years old. That's 0.03%. Less than half that under 9 years old.

I was just noting that if parents did not want to put their unvaccinated young children at any risk (even though that risk is negligible), then stay home.

There's no mechanism to report positive results from home test kits. The kits say you should notify your PCP. I did a week ago today and have yet to hear back from them. My local county health department said they have no way to accept and track home reported results. Official case counts are absurdly underreported.

That's the thing with the PCR tests, takes a while due to such demand, so folks opting for the home kits but at the same time, some employers don't even accept the home kits. Yeah under reporting is very large. And those home kits are sold out or if placed on the shelves, sell out quick.

Your physicians are also booked too or very busy.

An Urgent Care visit could take 3-4 hours of waiting time.

PCPs? Booked? Very Busy?

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Hospitalizations should be since they can overload healthcare systems and they have in several states. Less deaths is great though, so we can get closer to the dreaded "zero COVID" that some people don't want (for some reason?).

Its New Years Eve!

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:fireworks:

Testing positive for the Sour Diesel variant. Morning variant apparently when one is off. Also tested positive for Nespresso variant. Later on will continue to test positive with side effects of dancing, seeing into the future, time dilation and the side effect of talking like the rapper Future at 2 am.

I feel the so-far mild, citra-hopped variant coming on soon... like within the hour. Then, I'm pretty sure the more aggressive Straight Kentucky variant will overtake it, resulting in the relatively-quick onset of the following symptoms: loud talking, boastfulness, glassy eyes, flaccidity. By the time 11PM rolls around, the bubbly variant will have resulted in an appearance described as unkempt, dizziness, frequent urination, slurred speech, and hiccups. :cheers:

In November, for a Chaka Khan concert I went to, I wore a KN95 mask. I've been wearing one ever since. And then Omicron.

And now with hospitalizations rising in Los Angeles County, we indoor workers have to wear N95 masks starting January 17th, and employers must provide them to their employees. My company is already ordering some---and of course there are now already supposedly shortages.

LA County Issues New Health Orders As COVID Skyrockets

I must say, though, these KN95 masks hurt my ears.

I went to the urgent care to get tested, since my office requires a negative test before it allows me to come back (I tested positive a couple of weeks ago). Two weeks ago, the line to get tested was about 1-1.5 hr long. One week ago, the line was 2+ hrs.

Today? 15 minutes or less. Maybe the short line was due to the fact that it was a weekday morning, and it's no longer the holiday season (meaning more people are at work or school). Or maybe it's due to more test sites being made available elsewhere throughout the city (I was planning to go to a mobile test center, but decided to check out the line at urgent care first because it's only a few blocks from my house). Whatever the reason, I see it as an encouraging sign that the virus surge has subsided a bit in the city. A good chunk of metro NYC denizens have probably already caught COVID & recovered during this surge.

New positive cases/day in NYC have leveled off, but haven't really declined yet. But that may be due to a reporting lag. I guess we'll know for sure by this weekend.

We still await the New Years surge. A lot of what we are seeing most likely stems from Christmas. Hopefully a lot of this dies down in February. I think January may be a tough month for the nation Covid wise.

The incubation period for omicron appears to be about 3-4 days, so we should already be seeing the New Year surge as long as there isn't a testing backlog.

Our hospitals are full with Covid cases. Majority unvaccinated, of course.

That’s life, folks.

Houston will now suffer from the dumb decision by my professional organization to go all virtual for our annual conference at the end of January. There was already a requirement to be fully vaccinated to attend, but I guess that wasn't enough. Thus, Houston will be losing out on around 3,000 convention attendees hotel nights, recreational spending, etc. I know it's not a big convention, but it will still be a hit for the local hospitality and tourism industry in Houston.

Fortunately, my job was paying for my attendance this year, so I don't have to worry about reimbursement for funds spent. I don't plan on attending the virtual session, and I feel for my colleagues who were to present this year. I had the misfortune of attending and being a panelist for the virtual convention last year, and it was absolutely terrible. I'll not make that mistake again. Hopefully, next year common sense will prevail, and we will actually all get to meet up again.

Yep.... I was attended AGU in New Orleans and there was <50% attendance, which was pathetic. I know which conference you are talking about, and it's pathetic. This not a conference best done remotely, but in person through in-person networking.

I was supposed to relocate to the Bay Area last week as we were to return to the office by the 30th. Already had an apartment set up. Found out literally days before I was to head out that we won't be going back until July. Had to cancel lease and ended up losing security deposit but at least I save almost three grand a month in rent in the meantime. Needless to say, I won't make plans to move again until it's certain we actually return in July. Meanwhile, new cases in the Bay Area have been consistently low.

California appears to be getting their omicron spike this week. Especially LA County.

Actually, cases have been surging in the Bay Area. Look at this Google News Search: https://news.google.com/search?q=bay...S&ceid=US%3Aen

I'm not sure LA traffic will ever get back to what it was pre-pandemic. It certainly won't be as easy as 2020 was where you could get from Newport Beach to DTLA in 40 minutes and everyone was doing 75 minimum on the freeways (that was fun). But because of remote work I don't think transit is in the minds of many SoCal residents now since they aren't going into the office at the same frequency and daily traffic, although increased in 2021, is still not what it used to be.

When I first moved to LA I'd drive 15 minutes from Artesia to the Artesia station in Compton on the Blue Line and take it to my job DT. Then I moved a couple blocks away from the Gold Line in Pasadena and would do the same on it (except walked to the station this time). Moved to Inglewood for a bit so stopped using transit since it was inconvenient from north Inglewood and the Expo Line stretch near USC would make my trip longer than it needed to be (this section should be a subway). I used the trains because they'd often be within 10 minutes of driving (sometimes faster, sometimes slower).

When I moved to OC I used the Metrolink everyday. It was 9 times out of 10 quicker than driving from where I lived in OC. The parking garage would have levels 1-3 filled by the 7am trains and people start to use the 4th and 5th levels. Nowadays you can drive past it at 9-10am and the lower two levels are barely filled. What's going to make people want to use the Metrolink if they aren't going into the office or on the days they do go in the commute is now almost an hour shorter because people work remotely? I'd rather just drive at that point. My employer is one of several that has stopped looking for office space DT because business has been so good remotely. We may do some regional wework type spaces for staff that would like to go in, which also means they'd be less likely to use transit since the offices would be closer to where folks live.

Sometimes I do miss the rush hour commute. Getting my coffee, chatting with my train friends, seeing the same conductors, getting a second morning workout from all the walking and stair taking in DT, etc. But remote work is still way better for me. I do think some of the lines like Sepulveda and extending the Crenshaw Line into West Hollywood/south to LAX are very beneficial. But the ones used for everyday rush hour commuting like Metrolink and even a lot of the SGV portions of the Gold Line might need some additional help.

I'm kind of pissed off at all the assholes who were saying the Omicron is a mild variant. For the first time since this plague began, I have family members in hospitals this week. And yes, they're all vaccinated and one even had his booster. It's feeling like March 2000 all over again because it seems like everyone I know is getting sick. :(

Post from March 18, 2020. I think this was good foresight as the pandemic enters its 3rd year.

They are saying it because they don't like the restrictions. It's nothing personal but some people just can't handle wearing a mask to prevent children from going to the hospital.

This will be a right of passage. A great barrier for a ticket to continue living. Nature sometimes tests us. Now most can circumvent this, by medicine or boosters or whatever but for some... its a challenge they face. Sort of like the Gladiator awaiting the thumbs up or thumbs down. Unfortunately, some will not make it. Let's wish them well in fighting this but some will not make it. Just like some will not make it to the end of the day tomorrow, if its a car accident or an icicle falling on their head or because their ex wife butchers them in the shower... sometimes... life and nature throws challenges at us. But that is life. I mean from the minute you are born, the clock starts. Eventually, the energy system stops.

This pandemic is a much needed learning lesson for people. Made us appreciate the little things and how quickly they can be taken away. If its friends or family or actually seeing people's full faces.

But the nice thing is that its not the worse thing. You know had a shitty day? The guy who left on a train from Hiroshima to Nagasaki only to relive the same thing. I mean that guy probally lost everyone he knew. Or most people that day.

So while this pandemic might be a bad thing, its not the worst thing. Can you imagine being a villager in the olden days, with damn fleas spreading pneumonic and septic plague. Real plague. No antibiotics, nothing. Doctors wearing bird masks and thinking the color red would get rid of the growing necrosis on ones arm? Could be much worse folks!

It didn’t really take a lot of foresight. Viral mutation is inevitable but the strains that successfully compete tend to be more transmissible and less virulent, as we are seeing with Omicron.

Omicron is mild. I’m genuinely sad to hear that your family members are ill and I hope they do well. But anecdotes and personal experience are one thing apart from stats.

More people are in the hospital because Omicron spreads so quickly (which is why this attempt at mitigation is a colossal waste of time and resources) and even if it has a lower mortality rate than Delta, if the denominator is very high, then more people are winding up in the hospital.

This variant is badly needed. Quickly getting lots of people infected is the way we continue to grow our immunity to this virus.

I and one other provider in our office have not had Omicron (as far as I know). The other three already have. This thing is everywhere, mitigation is just a silly waste and a veritable handout to Abbott Labs at this point (which, suspiciously explains why we are still carrying out this nonsense. I guess this bodes well for suburban Chicago real estate, look for Abbott execs to buy even fancier houses!)

In other irony, the three females in our office have been most cautious about Covid—double masking, sanitizing everything, etc) and they GOT Covid. Meanwhile, I and the other male who have not taken such drastic steps are the two who haven’t gotten it (as far as we know). :haha:

Goes to show you how much theatre this nonsense all is....

This. It's objectively, scientifically-verified as being milder but more infectious than previous variants (hence how we have more cases than ever but a fraction of the hospitalisations & deaths of the first few waves). Doesn't mean that no one is going to get sick or die, though it's certainly much more manageable than it was in the past.

I just spent a week in Key West. Nobody cares. I came back to Portland. People are walking around and doing normal stuff, nobody appears to care. Old people in Florida and most people were wearing masks inside retail places. People eating inside anywhere in America appear to not care and are willing to take that risk. Portland restaurants are open and people are eating indoors. The local media is reporting like a hurricane is approaching and anecdotally friends i have in health care think its the ww 1 trenches. So I dunno. The electric company is very much open, ppl are working inside an office and our much unloved governor isn't making any new restrictions. Id say the lower the politicians approval rating, the more lax they are at this point. Corporate boardrooms seem to be the ones flipping out tho. Sigh........

Thank God people are less hysterical this time around. The news makes it seem like the sky is falling, but it seems like people here are still going out clubbing, eating inside at restaurants, and going about their day.

We just gotta' get on with it at this point.

^^^^ yes I agree. All my friends in Michigan keep posting, oh I got covid. Six days later they post their pictures of a red wings game. :/
Oh but Portland schools are shut down again. After the last two years I've decided the three groups that have the most power in America are school teachers unions, local district attorneys and corporate managers.

If your local teachers union is refusing to do in person learning, then take a pic of them eating at a restaurant, or going to a game, or any other indoor recreational activity, and post that pic on social media. I’ve been calling for that for a while. Do it!

CTU as one example, you can’t tell me at least some of those lazy fucks aren’t out eating dinner at Maggiano’s, or visiting the casino out in Joliet

A friend of mine said yesterday that if you haven’t gotten this strain of Covid yet, then you just have no friends and are kind of a loser.

And that’s probably true. Everyone in London has had Covid in the last 2 months.

I kind of wish some school boards outsourced their classes to professors in India. Honestly, there are a ton of Americans that just use schools as expensive daycares and are mad they can't drop their kids off to be babysitted from 7-5pm. Not everyone of course, but it is a segment of the population, unfortunately. Learn From Home could probably provide a better education in some of the Nation's shittiest school districts (I'm looking at you New Jersey) and would weaken the teacher's unions that are more concerned milking tax dollars than educating students. Put it up for vote.