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hauntedheadnc Apr 5, 2022 7:46 PM

The Villages, FL: A patently ridiculous place
 
The stepfather of a friend of ours died a while back, leaving her with the task of clearing out his home in Lady Lake, Florida. Lady Lake is a wide spot in the road in Lake County, but abuts the ever-expanding clot of retirees that is The Villages. The Villages is an enormous development, home to more than 130,000 retirees, 98% of whom are white, and the vast majority of whom hold abhorrent political views that we saw reflected on hats, signs, t-shirts, flags, and bumper stickers. There was also the matter that outside of The Villages, central Florida lives up to every stereotype of Florida you've ever heard, and manages to make Upstate South Carolina look like the boulevards of Paris by comparison.

Anyway, our friend is still holding on to her stepfather's house while she figures out what to do with it, and goes down to Florida from time to time to check on it, fix whatever else broke in her absence, and deal with lawyers. She invites us down to keep her company and so we went this past Friday, and got back today. While we were there we visited two of the three themed commercial areas of The Villages, and ventured out to Leesburg a couple of times as well, once to go visit Lake Griffin State Park.

The Villages has three themed commercial areas, all of which were developed in the 2000's and 2010's. That's important to know because each area was developed with its own unique theme: Lake Sumter Landing is built to resemble a Victorian Florida village; Spanish Springs resembles St. Augustine; and Brownwood resembles the set of Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman.

Don't you miss that show? I sure do. Jane Seymour was great.

Anyway again, because there is fuck all else to do in Lady Lake we visited Lake Sumter Landing and Spanish Springs, but figured Brownwood would be just too silly to bother with. Taken by itself and presented honestly, themed neo-traditional architecture wouldn't be a bad thing in these commercial areas, but what makes them ridiculous, and what helps to contribute to the feeling of an interminable out-of-body experience when visiting The Villages, is the faux history. Lake Sumter Landing and Spanish Springs, and presumably Brownwood as well, are all littered with historical plagues detailing people who did not exist and the lives they didn't live in buildings that were not constructed until the 2000's. I captured a few of these plaques, but there are dozens.

I could go on, because I have exactly nothing nice to say about The Villages. However, I was raised with the adage that if you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all and so to sum up my thoughts on The Villages I'll just go with... :) . Just... :) .

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This is the Airside Garden at Greenville-Spartanburg International Airport. We flew out of here, then rode back with our friend on her drive back up this way.

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sopas ej Apr 5, 2022 8:16 PM

Hehe, the fake history and plaques are kind of funny. Almost like a theme park.

Interesting pictures... and maybe somewhat oddly, it looks more "real" than a movie studio backlot. But then I guess it should, being that these are actual living/working residences/businesses than just facades.

202_Cyclist Apr 5, 2022 8:20 PM

Barf!

EastSideHBG Apr 5, 2022 8:40 PM

I know someone who lives here and she is not a nice person. But with that being said I do find it to be oddly charming from the pictures, probably because it's the opposite of what I am used to in a lot of ways. The politics would get annoying quickly but so do the far lefties I get to experience in parts of Philly so...two heads of the same coin, I suppose ;)

Steely Dan Apr 5, 2022 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc (Post 9589794)

socially distanced park benching. they sure went all-in on our "new normal".

"wonderful! now when we take little breaks on our walks through the park, we won't feel compelled to awkwardly talk to each other"."



and those fake made-up history plaques are 100% bizzaro.

the acronym "WTF" is way overused these days, so i'm gonna go with a stronger WITELF? (what in the ever living fuck)

is it a case of "oh these people are all just elderly retirees with early-stage dimentia anyways, they don't know what's real or not, so let's fuck with them a bit"?

DCReid Apr 5, 2022 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9589897)
socially distanced park benching. they sure went all-in on our "new normal".

"wonderful! now when we take little breaks on our walks through the park, we won't feel compelled to awkwardly talk to each other"."



and those fake made-up history plaques are 100% bizzaro.

the acronym "WTF" is way overused these days, so i'm gonna go with a stronger WITELF? (what in the ever living fuck)

is it a case of "oh these people are all just elderly retirees with early-stage dimentia anyways, they don't know what's real or not, so let's fuck with the a bit"?

I know it's in vogue for a certain population to make up news, but I guess they aren't stopping there, and are making up everything.

Pedestrian Apr 5, 2022 11:26 PM

I goodie! A "hate old people and everything they like because so many of them are more conservative than thou" thread! Just what SSP has always needed. 10023 can be a charter member.

There's a point in life, though, at which you stop being outraged about everything.

DetroitSky Apr 5, 2022 11:44 PM

Well, at least the lakes and state park look nice. How bizarre.

craigs Apr 6, 2022 1:29 AM

Well, that's . . . something.

Crawford Apr 6, 2022 1:41 AM

Bizarre. Interesting pics, though. Thanks for the tour.

The swamp looks cool. Everything else looks horrible.

I wonder why so many old folks want to only live around old folks. I hope I'll want to be around all kinds of people, including children and younger adults. Seems very depressing to only be around your age cohort, especially if it's nearing the end.

homebucket Apr 6, 2022 2:49 AM

What's with all the golf carts? :shrug:

xzmattzx Apr 6, 2022 2:57 AM

I'm actually pretty impressed with the places in the pictures. It looks better than any of the other New Urbanist stuff I've ever seen. A lot of the buildings look like they could pass as authentically old, which is a good thing. Other shave extra care put into making them look better, instead of either throwing random elements together McMansion-style, or obviously skimping on materials to save a buck.

The use of golf carts, which may be electric, is also better than a million cars all around. And this is in the hot Florida sun, and old people who need cars for everything.

If those historic plaques are fake and the buildings are new, that's disappointing. They should just keep things as they are and live with the newness. The golf carts made to look like cars is strange too.

Overall, I think a lot of developers who are building their own versions of urban areas can learn from these areas of the Villages.

Comrade Apr 6, 2022 3:43 AM

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I'm actually pretty impressed with the places in the pictures. It looks better than any of the other New Urbanist stuff I've ever seen. A lot of the buildings look like they could pass as authentically old, which is a good thing. Other shave extra care put into making them look better, instead of either throwing random elements together McMansion-style, or obviously skimping on materials to save a buck.

The use of golf carts, which may be electric, is also better than a million cars all around. And this is in the hot Florida sun, and old people who need cars for everything.

If those historic plaques are fake and the buildings are new, that's disappointing. They should just keep things as they are and live with the newness. The golf carts made to look like cars is strange too.

Overall, I think a lot of developers who are building their own versions of urban areas can learn from these areas of the Villages.

The beauty about photography is that it can hide a lot - and these great photos hide the development. The center shown above is surrounded by parking and suburban sprawl. Not exactly something I think should be replicated (and unfortunately, they are in suburbs all across the country):

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I do agree that the style is nice and it doesn't feel overly fake from within - but it would have been much nicer had it felt like an organic lake town and not a typical lifestyle outdoor mall in the middle of a labyrinth of subdivisions and highways.

But I get it. It's built for old people and old people don't walk. Still, it's nothing unique unfortunately.

Steely Dan Apr 6, 2022 4:14 AM

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But I get it. It's built for old people and old people don't walk.

My 75 year old mother who lives in the city and walks to as many things as possible has a little saying:

"Once you get old, when you stop walking, you start dying"

BnaBreaker Apr 6, 2022 4:15 AM

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There's a point in life, though, at which you stop being outraged about everything.

One wouldn't know it from reading some of your posts!

As for The Villages, I think we can all understand why someone of advanced age might want to live in a place where they can walk places and mingle with their aged peers. What, I'm sure, makes The Villages all the more irritating than it already is, is that there are countless authentic actual villages dotted all across this nation that would give them all of the charm and whatnot they're looking for... but instead, most of those places are crumbling, because folks like these have been conditioned to fear fucking everything and retreat to this cartoonish approximation of a real place.

AviationGuy Apr 6, 2022 4:20 AM

I've visited 8 times in the last 20 years. I have a very elderly friend who lives there. Here are my observations:

- Visually, I like it because it's so incredibly clean. Zero litter or graffiti. The roads are well maintained, and everything is mowed. Everything. It would look really sterile if it were not for the interesting building designs and palm trees all over the place.

- The right wing politics are really in-your-face. The Villages was developed by hard core Republicans, and the city frequently invites MAGA types. Trump loves the place, and Sarah Palin was there a while back. Even certain entertainers, like Bobby Rydell, think the place is fantastic.

- When you go into coffee houses, delis, restaurants, you're likely to have Fox News blaring at you day and night.

- You can get away from politics because there's so many shows, including musicals. I saw quite a few and loved it.

- There's a gay presence (including my friend) but it's mostly "underground". Some are very conservative and fit right in, like my friend. No one would ever know.

- The media has reported a high number of STDs at the Villages. Those old people do have some fun, I guess.

- Before the 2020 election, there were some very tense encounters between Democrats and Republicans. The Democrats, although far outnumbered, were very vocal and there were some bad incidents due to golf cart banners.

- I met some incredibly nice people. I met Democrats and I met Republicans who proudly talked of their gay children. But I also met very racist people. It got a lot worse after 2016, which is no surprise.

Anyway, back in the early 2000s, I made plans to move there, but thank goodness other circumstances prevented it. I don't hate the place at all, but at least after 2016, it became pretty much out of the question.

AviationGuy Apr 6, 2022 4:24 AM

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One wouldn't know it from reading some of your posts!

As for The Villages, I think we can all understand why someone of advanced age might want to live in a place where they can walk places and mingle with their aged peers. What, I'm sure, makes The Villages all the more irritating than it already is, is that there are countless authentic actual villages dotted all across this nation that would give them all of the charm and whatnot they're looking for... but instead, most of those places are crumbling, because folks like these have been conditioned to fear fucking everything and retreat to this cartoonish approximation of a real place.

You make some good points.

dropdeaded209 Apr 6, 2022 12:57 PM

no funeral homes?

Crawford Apr 6, 2022 1:12 PM

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What, I'm sure, makes The Villages all the more irritating than it already is, is that there are countless authentic actual villages dotted all across this nation that would give them all of the charm and whatnot they're looking for... but instead, most of those places are crumbling, because folks like these have been conditioned to fear fucking everything and retreat to this cartoonish approximation of a real place.

Yes, I don't get this about the U.S. We have real urbanity rotting away all over the place, and they build imitation urbanity in a sea of parking lots. Even in booming Central FL, I bet you there are empty main streets not far from the Villages, just waiting for a developer with vision, but nope, they had to build a Disney version in the swamps.

cabasse Apr 6, 2022 1:39 PM

i keep passing through here on visits to see my folks in broward county. reminds me i need to watch this

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