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https://www.6sqft.com/cuomo-reveals-...-penn-station/
Cuomo reveals new LIRR entrance and public plaza at Penn Station SEPTEMBER 6, 2018 BY DANA SCHULZ https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/up...ber-2018-1.jpg https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/up...er-2018-10.jpg https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/up...ber-2018-7.jpg https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/up...ber-2018-8.jpg https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/up...ber-2018-9.jpg |
Remembering when MSG was supposed to move across the street into the Farley building...
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construction is on the fast track :tup:
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Not a proposal, but interesting still...(for the office portion of the project)
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https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gov...stations-bronx
Governor Cuomo Announces Construction of Four Metro-North Railroad Stations in the Bronx Agreement Among Empire State Development, MTA and Amtrak Allows Transformative Project to Move Forward. New Stations Will Connect East Bronx Transit Desert and Metro-North to Penn Statio Quote:
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The Long Island Amtrak study makes sense. There are 3 million people on LI, generally higher income, and it's very difficult to get off the island, with most bridges/tunnels suffering from extreme congestion.
They don't even need Acela, just an Amtrak connection to Acela. There's LIRR, of course, but they need an express connection. |
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the latest effort for a Long Island Sound crossing already fell through, so don't expect to see much discourse over that in the next few years.
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Thats why it really needs to be a part of a bold NEC overhaul. A cross-Sound tunnel could also carry autos thus dramatically lowering congestion over the Whitestone and Throggs Neck Bridges.
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https://therealdeal.com/2019/02/12/v...redevelopment/
Vornado may now be targeting tech tenants at Farley Post Office redevelopment Steve Roth said 900K sf landmarked building will be "best creative space in Manhattan" https://therealdeal.com/wp-content/u...ng-650x405.jpg By Kevin Sun February 12, 2019 Quote:
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Just a rendering of a vision, but it would be nice if they could extend this walkway to the High Line...
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A little more on that...
https://ny.curbed.com/2019/3/4/18248...estrian-bridge This pedestrian bridge could connect Hudson Yards and Moynihan Train Hall DXA Studios designed a sinuous walkway that could safely shepherd commuters between the two destinations https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/TDQu...uct___01.0.jpg By Zoe Rosenberg Mar 4, 2019 Quote:
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bve5wX5H2pd/
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https://ny.curbed.com/2019/5/16/1862...nce-renderings
Penn Station’s new main entrance gets fresh renderings The new entrance at 33rd Street will bring light into the cramped station https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Uh4Y...24.59_PM.0.png By Amy Plitt May 16, 2019 Quote:
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Great. And 2 Penn will continue to be a shit building, Penn Station will continue to be a 3rd world disaster, and MSG will continue to look like an ugly tumor that has no place being situated where it is.
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A band-aid. An embarrassing band-aid.
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Cuomoland, where even simple improvements that should have been done decades ago are hailed as transformational. The platform level is still going to be a shitshow because of the narrow platforms and problematic vertical access that choke passenger flow. That can only be addressed by removing the high rise and MSG to redo the track level layout.
He did specifically hail the coming the East Side Access on current schedule so maybe that will actually happen. On the plus side the partial closure of 33rd St. for the plaza is a major good. Now go back and widen every sidewalk within 10 blocks of Penn and the PABT. |
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What about the NJ Transit area? Seems like all the focus has been on LIRR when NJ Transit needs the same if not more.
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https://nypost.com/2019/05/28/japane...-office-space/
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^^^Lookin good
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At least it hopefully will not leak like WTC.
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If you get rid of most of the existing retail space in the station, you can add new concourses, new stairwells, install elevators, so on. Now, whether improving circulation (eg. elevators, new points to access platforms, etc) shouldn't be done if platform-level improvements aren't also being made is a little irrelevant to me, because 1) they're not mutually exclusive (both are necessary, and doing one doesn't mean you're not going to do the other) and 2) even demolishing MSG isn't going to solve all of our problems, because regional rail services need to rationalized so that PSNY isn't operating as a pseudo-terminal for some services (eg. LIRR, NJT). Platform-level issues and capacity constraints can be solved by improving service and administration of the railroads even without removing MSG...many tracks could probably be gotten rid of and the remaining platforms widened. As it stands, expanding the station will be a quite dramatic improvement, so long as they meaningfully make the correct interventions in the old building. I don't like Cuomo, but the basic assumptions guiding these improvements are largely sound: You can make PSNY function far better than it currently does by improving circulation. Fixing the issues with train movements and the tunnels is paramount, but not making the former fixes won't mean the latter get fixed faster: Nothing would happen. |
They still need to buy that block of buildings south of MSG to build Penn Station South to really expand capacity http://www.realtransit.org/images/htp/htp31.png
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It'd just be repeating the mistakes of ESA; that's what I'm too dumb to get across, I guess...? I do think there's a deeper discussion about what's going wrong here. Quote:
The basic premise, to me, is that we keep quibbling about the cost of these projects but I'm more concerned that the scope is wrong (ie. limited) because we aren't addressing the fundamental issue: The metropolitan area isn't properly planning for regional transit, and the restraints (administrative and cultural) that both flow from and bolster that situation are the reasons something like ESA is being built, at the cost it's being built, with the limited amount of usefulness therein. It's strange we simply accept that upgrading all the RRs to use the same damn technologies is ideal but too difficult, yet we tacitly cement it each time we build some $10+ billion station that doesn't even take the marginal steps (ie. for what ESA cost, we could damn well have gotten a midtown tunnel out of it instead of the cavern) to get around dealing with it. We've quite honestly either built or will build all the of the requisite infrastructure to get to 99% of where we'd like to be: We just built it incorrectly and so we're at like 10%. That's fairly frustrating to me. I'm ambivalent about costs. |
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https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/penn-s...nesses-inside/
Penn Station construction to close over 10 retail businesses inside By Lisa Fickenscher June 13, 2019 Quote:
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https://nypost.com/2019/09/24/mark-z...k-post-office/
Mark Zuckerberg said to be eyeing space for Facebook at landmark post office https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...trip=all&w=915 By Lois Weiss September 24, 2019 Quote:
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If only this was the impetus for a proper penn station rebuild...
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If only this was the impetus for a proper penn station rebuild...
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^ That's a great photo. It's going to be so beautiful.
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It pales in comparison to the old station, it's not a real fix for the crime that occured. Just a stop gap measure until MSG comes down in the future which should happen because MSG is vile looking. They don't even open up the platforms to the light in the new terminus which is tragic. If they had made a transparent or translucent floor you could have brought light down to the platforms, but I suppose the costs of that would have been over the top.
All in all, a half-measure that only sort of solves the problem. NY still won't have that station that will knock people's socks off like a London St. Pancras, or Berlin's main station, etc, etc,. The tracks are still dark and dingy underground without light. There is no great train shed like those of Europe and no light getting down to the tracks. Sad but True. Much of the new station is reserved for corporate offices and shops. Again, a lack of focus on the actual RAIL issue. MSG needs to gtfo so that NY can fix the whole thing properly and open up the tracks to the light. |
Gimme dat light!
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Man, Madison Square Garden is sure one ugly ass building. Wish they would reconstruct Penn Station.
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There's not enough lipstick in the world to put on that pig(MSG)… I seriously hope they won't drop the ball and give an extension that would essentially keep it there until midcentury. The Dolans may be powerful, but there could be so much done to improve the transit/pedestrian experience by moving MSG out of there. We won't get the old Penn Station back( though some of that prestige and grandeur will be restored by the Moynihan Train Hall across the street) but we can finally try to get things right.
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what's a shame about msg is as hideous as it is on the outside is as nice as it is inside. and the sound is just spectacular for an arena. its probably the very best big arena for concerts sound-wise.
of course that's not good enough though. tear that sh*t down. bring back light to our embarrassing rat maze basement. if paris can do it with les halles, which once was a twin of this penn station, it can be done! |
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...wye-story.html
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I can't figure out why Cuomo decided to basically re-announce the Penn South component of Amtrak's Gateway plan and add another track. NY's love affair with enormously expensive stub terminals is totally irrational. With no new Hudson tunnel to serve it the entire plan is worse than worthless.
If you're going to spend a few billion bucks pick a NJT line or two to outfit with LIRR power and just dig a tunnel from Penn to the East Side Access so people can actually reach east midtown which is where they want to go. Through run the services on both sides of Manhattan to boost capacity. |
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The new tunnel component is gonna have to happen anyway, but it makes no sense to increase tunnel capacity without anywhere for the trains to go. The two plans go hand in hand, which is why the southern expansion has been on the board for years. But I don’t understand. You do nothing, people complain. Announce plans to address the issue, they still complain. You aren’t gonna please all critics, which is why I hope Cuomo moves ahead with this plan like Moses. |
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