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eleven=11 Nov 13, 2012 5:22 AM

The Palm Beach Post says that All Aboard is buying land
and geting ready for construction.
also on Thursday to anounce some plans......

Lakelander Dec 10, 2012 3:01 AM

Another step forward in FEC's plan to utilize the BeachLine for rail between Orlando and Cocoa.

All Aboard Florida only bidder to build private rail lines to Orlando

full article: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/bu...vate-ra/nTQNT/

N830MH Dec 10, 2012 5:33 AM

Miami-to-Orlando passenger rail on track
 
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/bro...,1551050.story

Quote:

A new passenger rail service is on track to begin in 2015, whisking travelers from Miami to Orlando, while offering hourly trains, gourmet meals and Wi-Fi.

The $1 billion project will generate about 1,200 construction jobs and 400 permanent jobs — as well as some inconveniences for motorists. They'll have to wait more often at railroad crossings and in a few instances find another route because three crossings will close to accommodate stations.

Dale Dec 10, 2012 8:11 PM

Sounds like a goer, but I noticed that completion has now been bumped from 2014 to 2015. Maybe 2014 was always unrealistic.

electricron Dec 10, 2012 9:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 5932559)
Sounds like a goer, but I noticed that completion has now been bumped from 2014 to 2015. Maybe 2014 was always unrealistic.

They were suggesting December 2014, early 2015 wouldn't be that much of a set back. Anytime you're having to wait on government for a decision, you should expect some set backs.

eleven=11 Dec 10, 2012 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 5932559)
Sounds like a goer, but I noticed that completion has now been bumped from 2014 to 2015. Maybe 2014 was always unrealistic.

did the orlando airport announce the new station plans
also does it connect to the new downtown orlando station....

Lakelander Dec 10, 2012 10:07 PM

AAF will not go into DT Orlando. Instead Sunrail will have a second line that will terminate at the AAF airport station.

afiggatt Dec 10, 2012 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by electricron (Post 5932689)
They were suggesting December 2014, early 2015 wouldn't be that much of a set back. Anytime you're having to wait on government for a decision, you should expect some set backs.

December, 2014 was always an unrealistic start date for the proposed Miami to Orlando service. Besides the new stations to be built, the miles of second track to be added to the existing line, building ~40 miles of new track takes a while. Even if most of the new tracks will be in a medium strip of a highway, there will be flyover bridges, connecting bridges to build, probably some utility relocations, etc. I think FECI knew that the December, 2014 was not realistic, but they are using the early start dates to create a sense of urgency with the state agencies, municipal government, airport authority, political leaders to get them to respond quickly and not let applications sit in the inbox for 6 months before doing anything.

N830MH Dec 11, 2012 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by electricron (Post 5932689)
They were suggesting December 2014, early 2015 wouldn't be that much of a set back. Anytime you're having to wait on government for a decision, you should expect some set backs.

I'm guess that you have wait for an approved. Try to be more patiently. Give it chance. Right now, they were in negotiating.

Dale Dec 11, 2012 3:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakelander (Post 5932722)
AAF will not go into DT Orlando. Instead Sunrail will have a second line that will terminate at the AAF airport station.

Huh ? This is news to me.

Lakelander Dec 11, 2012 4:35 AM

^Using OUC's rail line as a short extension has been discussed before and is a part of OIA's master plan. Here is a map showing it as a HSR connection a few years back:

http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...80_XqebM-L.jpg

http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...83_yhAgh-L.jpg

Here is a recent article about using OUC's existing rail line as the connection. I believe this is the same line/ROW that AAF will use from the opposite end to access the proposed Orlando airport station:

Quote:

But Lambert said converting the OUC rail spur to commuter rail could be fast-tracked, and sources said it could be online by the time SunRail begins its second phase of operations in 2016.
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/p...4m.html?page=2

My guess, is this concept will be eventually built. It's not expensive as other options discussed and the presence of AAF provides the incentive to do it. In the meantime, you'll most likely have shuttle service between the two systems.

electricron Dec 11, 2012 5:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afiggatt (Post 5932743)
December, 2014 was always an unrealistic start date for the proposed Miami to Orlando service. Besides the new stations to be built, the miles of second track to be added to the existing line, building ~40 miles of new track takes a while. Even if most of the new tracks will be in a medium strip of a highway, there will be flyover bridges, connecting bridges to build, probably some utility relocations, etc. I think FECI knew that the December, 2014 was not realistic, but they are using the early start dates to create a sense of urgency with the state agencies, municipal government, airport authority, political leaders to get them to respond quickly and not let applications sit in the inbox for 6 months before doing anything.

I disagree. Have you taken the time to watch this video I posted earlier?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl1yVSD_Tv8
In it, during the 26th minute of the video, they stated the longest lead time for completing this project is ordering, building, and testing their trains, estimated to take 20 to 30 months. Therefore they could potentially make a December 2014 opening date if they order their trains by April 2013. Assuming they order the trains in January 2013, the worse case would be operational by July 2015.

eleven=11 Dec 11, 2012 5:15 AM

yes but we are all waiting on the annoucment about
orlando airport...............
the final plans
no more high speed rail, just All Aboard & Sun Rail

N830MH Dec 11, 2012 6:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakelander (Post 5933249)
^Using OUC's rail line as a short extension has been discussed before and is a part of OIA's master plan. Here is a map showing it as a HSR connection a few years back:

http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...80_XqebM-L.jpg

http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...83_yhAgh-L.jpg

Here is a recent article about using OUC's existing rail line as the connection. I believe this is the same line/ROW that AAF will use from the opposite end to access the proposed Orlando airport station:

Where did you find out about new South terminal? When they going to being built? I wasn't sure about this one. I guess they will have a plans to being built a brand new terminal. How those passengers who will catch the flight from North terminal to South terminal?

N830MH Dec 11, 2012 6:58 AM

Hi All,

They already groundbreaking a brand new South terminal. Here is the link:

http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-rel...156749115.html

You guys didn't realize know it. Which airlines will be? And also, there is some a few domestic gates as well.

Lakelander Dec 11, 2012 2:11 PM

^The article you posted looks to be over a decade old. However, the intermodal rail facility component is what FEC/AAF and OIA are discussing. Here are two articles from a few months back:

Quote:

Demonstrating a vision for the future, the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority, which operates Orlando International Airport, has already invested in infrastructure for a station that could accommodate up to four rail systems. In discussing the integration of rail Brown explained, “We have planned our intermodal facility in a central location to service both the north and the future south terminal and All Aboard Florida is vying to be the first rail system to operate from it.”

The station as proposed would incorporate the airport’s design concept of The Orlando Experience™ with the prevailing use of light, water, gardens and open spaces for meetings and retail concessions.

In addition to other proposed community rail systems, including SunRail, the airport’s plans include an automated people mover that would provide passengers direct access from the current North Terminal to future expansion including additional aircraft gates to the South. SunRail will be Central Florida's first commuter rail line connecting four counties and spanning 61.5 miles including a future connection to Orlando International Airport.
http://www.orlandoairports.net/press/2012/20120620.htm


Quote:

Orlando International Airport officials could break ground next year on a $470 million expansion featuring a train depot and parking garage that eventually might lead to construction of a separate, southern terminal that would cost another $1 billion.

The deal, however, is far from done.

Plenty of obstacles could postpone or kill the plans, including another recession that dampens demand for air travel, failure to reach an agreement with the backers of the train or opposition from airlines and rental-car companies that lease space at the airport.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...rport-director

eleven=11 Dec 13, 2012 6:16 AM

another new train/maglev is coming to orlando airport
13$ to go from airport to the convention center

guess it will connect also to All Aboad & Sun Rail???

Lakelander Dec 13, 2012 11:47 AM

^That thing will have to break ground before I believe it's going to happen. The maglev guy wasted a lot of people's money on his failed Norfolk project. Also, $13/ticket sounds pretty expensive for a short trip between the airport and convention center. Show up with a family of four and you're looking at paying over $100 round trip. I'm a big mass transit supporter, but at that number, it would be possibly cheaper to rent a car for a few days.

eleven=11 Dec 13, 2012 2:15 PM

if you put your children inside your luggage maybe you can save some money.

maybe 8 or 9 or 10 dollars is better , plus a transfer to All Abord & Sun Rail.

Baronvonellis Dec 13, 2012 5:08 PM

He says the maglev is only going to go 50MHP. Why would he spend the insane costs for maglev? Why not just use conventional light rail that would be far cheaper?


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