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There are multiple parties that benefit from this so it makes sense that the costs should be shared on the airport's side. It's hard for me to classify this situation as a "subsidy" when its mutually beneficial. Without FECI involved, the taxpayer would be funding all of this (FECI's rail and OIA's desired infrastructure development) or it simply wouldn't happen. |
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I guess you're right. If FECI pays for infrastructure OIA wants, but isn't actually needed for the basic rail service to operate than they would be subsidizing OIA to a degree.:blink:
Anyway, it hasn't been stated exactly what part or how much of the terminal complex that OIA has been asked to share the cost in. Once that's out, we'll have a better idea on if this particular request is a subsidy or not. |
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AAF has made their initial filings with the STB (Surface Transportation Board) on their immediate plans for the FEC ROW.
Per Trains Newswire: ORLANDO – All Aboard Florida, the organization behind the restoration of high speed passenger service between Miami and Orlando, revealed a number of details of its plans in a filing with the Surface Transportation Board earlier in the month. The filing includes two parties under the All Aboard Florida banner, one for operations and one for stations. The passenger train operator will rebuild a second track along the Florida East Coast Railway between Miami and Cocoa, Fla., and build entirely new track on right-of-way leased from the Florida Department of Transportation and Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority. This would place about 40 miles of new rail line alongside or in the median of state Route 528, which runs between Cocoa and the Orlando airport and is operated by the OOCEA. All Aboard Florida will not seek public operating subsidies for the project, but is exploring the possibility of obtaining construction financing through the Federal Railroad Administration's Railroad Rehabilitation and Improvement Financing Program. Through the program the railroad can apply for direct loans and loan guarantees through the FRA. The filing stipulates the new passenger service will not be a part of the interstate passenger rail network and should be exempt from federal oversight. All Aboard Florida will not participate in any through ticketing program with Amtrak. It also says no freight service will be operated by All Aboard Florida, or over the new right-of-way to Orlando. It does say that, for flexibility in operations, FEC dispatchers will have the option of using either track on the shared right-of-way for freight and passenger traffic. Construction of the project is expected to generate 6,000 new jobs in the state, 1,000 permanent jobs, and even more job opportunities from transit-oriented development around the stations. All Aboard Florida expects to have trains running by Jan. 1, 2015, and plans to operate 16-19 daily trains, allowing for hourly service during peak times. The filing specifies the trains will be 900 feet long and be equipped with Wi-Fi and meal services. Trains will operate up to 79 mph on the share portion of the route and 110 mph on the newly built portion. Details on the type of equipment to be used are still unknown. The two filings with the STB are located here: Petition of Exemption: http://www.stb.dot.gov/filings/all.n...7?OpenDocument Motion to Dismiss or Discontinue: http://www.stb.dot.gov/filings/all.n...F?OpenDocument |
Sucks about the cross-ticketing. I wonder whether this is ideological or FEC just couldn't reach a deal with Amtrak.
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There's a fairly long video at YouTube from a recent meeting AAF held. All these legal issues was discussed. Here's the link to the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl1yVSD_Tv8 Also in the video is a long question and answer session with interesting answers. They will need to buy 10 train sets to run up to 14 trains a day. Each train set would have 9 vehicles; 2 locomotives on either end and 7 passengers cars with one diner, one first/business class, and five coaches. As I understand it, although they wouldn't mention the manufacturer as yet, they're looking at buying lighter weight trains from overseas- from a manufacturer that already has American facilities - although they don't have to buy American made. I don''t think AAF is considering buying Hi-Liner equipment. The rolling stock will take the longest time to complete, from 20 to 30 months, and is therefore what will set when service can start. Design has only reached the 30% stage, so many specific details asked couldn't be answered. Never-the-less, many questions were answered. |
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At one time, XpressWest expressed some interest in Bombardier EMU models, I wonder if they make DMU versions as well? Siemens diesel powered ICE TD trainsets would be my initial choice for a "Premium" higher speed trainset that could attract higher fares. But they're only four car sets, the video suggests FEC wants 9 car sets including the headend power. Talgo also makes diesel powered HSR sets capable of 125 mph, but the cars in the sets are shorter, we'll be discussing 14 cars instead of 7 in a set, so I'm inclined to count them out. |
Is it that difficult to change the number of cars in a trainset? In a DMU, each car literally pulls its own weight, so it shouldn't be too hard to add more.
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Here are some station planning concepts from their environmental study:
Miami: http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...40.32%20PM.pnghttp://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...21.52%20PM.png Fort Lauderdale: http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...39.10%20PM.pnghttp://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...03.07%20PM.png West Palm Beach: http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...36.21%20PM.pnghttp://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...03.28%20PM.png |
wow those plans are spot on!
any news on the orlando airports stations? does sunrail also have plans for a airport depot? |
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Wow, 51-inch platforms. Cool. No commuter rail operation will touch that outside of the Northeast. The report also says AAF is looking at single-level cars. I'm thinking they want to use an off-the-shelf foreign trainset with a waiver.
The Miami option is elevated on a viaduct, BTW. It's hard to see that from the image you posted. |
You can see the elevated portion in this graphic.
http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/...01.29%20PM.png |
Dade/miami just spent $300 million for new trains
on the metro system due in 2015!!! |
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