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I got lost in Tijuana years ago and ended up in really shady bar off-off Revolution (or Revolucion?) The bar did have a latrine like that and I saw men using it while drinking. Handy, sure, but the strong odor of urine was quite overwhelming. I didn't ask for the bar menu.
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Anyway, I just emailed Beaudry to request his help. I also believe our past contributor SilentMovieLocations (I think that was his username) might know. He seemed to be particularly knowledgeable about Chaplin film locations. -Scott |
At this page - http://silentlocations.wordpress.com...-neighborhood/ - he notes that some deleted scenes from "Shoulder Arms" were filmed around Chaplin's studio. Not sure if the scenes in question were or not, but it's a place to start. (And you can find the author's e-mail address at the bottom of the page, if you want to send him a direct message about it.)
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Welcome to the thread Lwize! When I researched Philippe's prior locations for a discussion on the thread last year, I only found a photo of the 364 Aliso location where they were from 1925-1951. Here is the link to that discussion and my post with the photo: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...7s#post5565195 ~Jon Paul |
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"Shoulder Arms" photos strongly tie the subject photo to around 1918. But there is even another reason for believing that date to be quasi-accurate: "The Korin." "The Korin" appears to have been a short-lived photographic supply house which probably served as photo lab for the subject photo. It is not clear that someone affiliated with "The Korin" actually took the photograph. The only reference I have found is in the 1923 Directory for a location at 522 S. Hill. http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...arch_doc=korin "The Korin" does not seem to be listed in earlier or later directories, and that includes 1915 and 1932 - and a 6th Street address. Other musings. Were the onlookers in two of the photos, bystanders or extras? When did Los Angeles begin requiring permits for commercial motion picture photography, or perhaps the better inquiry is when did the City enforce any permit requirements? Permits, and records kept thereof, could answer many questions. Lastly, I return to the original photograph and wonder about the street's composition and width. The composition seems different from so many other streets in the pictures posted here. (Poured concrete slab construction or paving stones?) Whatever their composition, many Downtown streets were made to last. This includes areas of what is now known as Little Tokyo. (See below) It could be just the perspective of the lens and camera placement, but the proximity of the surrounding buildings smacks of being on a smaller side street or on an outdoor set. I rather doubt the latter, but I am hardly immune from surprises. Plenty of side streets to consider as well as those known to have used paving stones. ____________________ Food for thought. Griffith Construction was one of many contractors responsible for paving Los Angeles' streets. It's been around for a century.http://www.griffithcompany.net/news/news_0602.html https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/im...8CbqcG8TDmXjCAgoogle Granite-block paving. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3394/3...3db1edce_b.jpghttp://farm4.staticflickr.com/3418/3...2029ea92_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/7294653...3639/lightbox/ Street paving, Beachwood and Westshire, 1923 (Hollywoodland) http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011560.jpglapl Granite curb saved for Heritage Square 1980 Quote:
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Just going through some of the older posts on this thread . . . don't know if this was mentioned, but that tall gentleman appears to be the actor Lock Martin, who played Gort in the film "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and also appeared with bandleader Spike Jones. |
According to Wikipedia, Arden was an ice cream company operating out of Oregon. I didn't recognize the name as one I was familiar with from growing up in Texas.
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The auto repair & machine shop at the current location is new to me - I thought the building was a boarding house in a prior life. |
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The PECANS were from Texas......not the dairy. Mostly a marketing angle, to infer the source connotes quality ------
e.g. Florida oranges, Wisconsin cheese, Washington state apples, Idaho potatoes, French hookers.......:haha: ------------------------------------------------------ Arden Group’s history reaches back to 1904, where Arden Farms’ dairy was founded in El Monte, California. Founder Edward Robbins raised dairy cows and started state-of-the-art facilities for bottling milk. The Arden Farms operation was merged in 1930 with California Dairies, Inc., which had been created by Western Dairy Products Co. of Seattle to operate their California properties. Western Dairy Products Co. ran ice cream outlets in the Pacific Northwest. On the retail side, Daley’s Markets’ predecessor Rock Bottom Store was started in Los Angeles in 1912, and was 160 stores strong when founder Joe Daley sold the chain to Arden Farms in 1929. Arden changed the name to Continental Markets and then to Van’s Markets, and began to eliminate smaller, less profitable locations. In 1948, 43 Van’s Markets joined forces with eight stores owned by the Mayfair Companies, and the name of the chain became Mayfair Markets. The merged company, Arden-Mayfair Inc., acquired the Gelson’s stores in 1966 and continues as the parent company of Gelson’s Markets today as Arden Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: ARDNA). Over the years, Arden-Mayfair Inc. and Arden Group, Inc. have run businesses as diverse as dairies, grocery stores, confections, printers, facsimile machine sales and swimming pool supplies. http://www.gelsons.com/about/company...ndex.asp#arden Faxes? Swimming pool supplies? Quote:
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It was always about the land, about the riches that could be unlocked if it were chosen carefully enough,
subdivided into parcels which called out to the right demographic, if access could be insured with rail or improved roads or both, if water and electricity could find their way in, if enough hoopla could be conjured so that they would come and look and buy, while the coming and looking and buying was good, before the carrying costs caught up with the cash reserves. Yeah, it was always about the land. Of course, the key was buying at an agricultural rate and selling at a residential rate. The trick was turning a bean field into a view lot. By 1910 Burton Green, Max Whittier and their various partners controlled 4,439 acres of bean fields, they had the water and they had the electricity and now they needed the people. But they had to be the right kind of people, the kind who would pay premium prices, build expensive houses and bring other people of the right kind. They needed a trump card. They needed hoopla. Burton found it over on Hollywood Boulevard. Knowing of the bitter feud between Almira Hershey, the owner of the Hotel Hollywood and her long-time manager, Margaret J. Anderson, Green and the boys from Rodeo Land & Water decided to make the formidable Ms. Anderson an offer she couldn’t refuse. They grubstaked her to a spanking new hotel in their neck of the woods and the capital to cover operating expenses for the foreseeable future. It was an easy decision. She came, bringing her son, Stanley, an experienced hotelier in his own right and as an added bonus they brought with them a hotel-full of guests, cleaning out, as it were, the entire guest list of the Hotel Hollywood as they locked the door behind them, the right kind of people one-and-all. It’s worked for a century. So far, so good. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8426/7...a046bd37_o.jpg 1024px-Beverly_Hills_Hotel,_1911_drawing Los Angeles Times, May 14, 1911 http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8145/7...6c856e33_o.jpg Beverly_Hills_Hotel_1912 1912 looking north across an unpaved Sunset Blvd, the Beverly Hills Hotel under construction nearing completion. image from paulrwilliamsproject.org http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7...973e4a48_o.jpg BHH, 1912 Dirt roads and grace abound. Open for business just barely. image from paradiseleased.wordpress.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8157/7...5e5b0c60_o.jpg hbz-beverly-hills-hotel-Hotel-Panoramic-1912-0512-lgn looking southwest across Lexington and Crescent Drives, Sunset Boulevard beyond the hotel. image from "The Beverly Hills Hotel and Bungalows - The First 100 Years" by Robert S. Anderson, Official Historian for The Beverly Hills Hotel http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8021/7...bea62a7b_o.jpg BHH Polo Ponies? Will Rogers and friends? No, likely too early for that. Besides some of the men appear to be wearing skimmers. Joe Lefors? (But) Lefors never leaves Wyoming, never. You know that. myloveofoldhollywood.blogspot.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7...a47fa49b_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel looking northwest, circa 1921 image from the empressofdress.blogspot.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8144/7...d479a59e_o.jpg BeverlyHills-Hotel looking south 1921 In the early years the hotel set aside an acre for the guests to plant flowers and vegetables. image from plushhomerealty.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8015/7...5566acb3_o.png BeverlyHillsHotel_1935_DorothyJordan image from the empressofdress.blogspot.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8016/7...3391a487_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel, entrance, 1940's Beverly Hills Hotel, Exterior, 1940's: Photographer Maynard L. Parker, The Huntington Library, San Marino, California http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8153/7...acf1d5a1_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel pool 1948 image from the empressofdress.blogspot.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7...08b48418_o.jpg hbz-beverly-hills-hotel-Rita-Hayworth-0512-de Rita Hayworth in a comfy outfit down by the pool, circa 1934. by Robert S. Anderson http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8161/7...827076b7_o.jpg Polo Lounge image by Julius Shulman for the BHH http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/7...6fc33139_o.jpg hbz-beverly-hills-hotel-Marlene-0512-lgn Marlene Dietrich in The Polo Lounge, where she successfully challenged the dress code that stated women could not wear pants in the restaurant. I love this picture. by Robert S. Anderson http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/7...c1e1951c_o.jpg Beverly-Hills-Hotel-room detail image by Julius Shulman for the BHH http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7...caf9be18_o.jpg Beverly-Hills-Hotel-room detail II image by Julius Shulman for the BHH http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/7...6ba47b8e_b.jpg BHH paulrwilliams In the late 1940’s architect Paul Revere Williams was retained to spruce up the existing hotel and design and oversee the construction of a major add-on. He brought a bucket of pink paint and some banana leaf wallpaper. image from CthulhuWho1's Blog http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8429/7...c9791c1e_o.jpg Beverly-Hills-Hotel-Addition-circa 1950 image by Julius Shulman for the BHH http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8004/7...30bcc5f7_c.jpg BHH-Exterior Fairy tales can come true. image from empressofdress.blogspot.com http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7260/7...7ba96094_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel, Lanai Room, 1950 Beverly Hills Hotel, Lanai Room, 1950: Photographer Maynard L. Parker, The Huntington Library, San Marino, California http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8281/7...059290a7_c.jpg Historical-BHH-Entrance image from Hawkins International Public Relations http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8288/7...02b421e4_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel lobby image from hotelchatter.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7...47ebdbd4_o.jpg hinson martinique banana leaf wallpaper beverly hills palm beach chic room theastate.com http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7263/7...70ca25ed_o.jpg Beverly-Hills-Hotel cabana boy Yes, I know, a dirty job but someone has to do it. image from the empressofdress.blogspot.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7...8426d3b7_o.jpg 2012-01-09-WomanbythePool_AnthonyFriedkin_BeverlyHillsHotel1975 The pool area at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Truly a land of opportunity. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7...e5c87e62_o.jpg hbz-beverly-hills-hotel-Faye-Dunaway-oscar-0512-lgn Faye Dunaway and friend by the pool on the morning of March 29, 1977. by Robert S. Anderson http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8288/7...8ae75309_o.jpg hbz-beverly-hills-hotel-Marilyn-0512-lgn Marilyn stayed in the Bungalows while filming "Let's Make Love." circa 1959 by Robert S. Anderson http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7109/7...d5d427f3_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow exterior walkway Howard Hughes, bungalow number 5 for nearly thirty years, maintained a standing order with the hotel kitchen to hide a roast beef sandwich in the tree near his walkway every evening at about 10 pm, presumably so that he could avoid having to see or talk with anyone. image from anapettusdairies.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8289/7...bc6b9833_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow pool And yes, some of the bungalows include private pools. image from the empressofdress.blogspot.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8427/7...7963848e_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow interior detail image from anapettusdairies.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8014/7...84d7292c_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow interior detail II image from anapettusdairies.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8168/7...48e9b58c_o.jpg Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow interior detail III image from anapettusdairies.com http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7133/7...a06d3114_o.jpg BeverlyHillsHotel interior Marilyn's bungalow, circa 1959 Marilyn and husband Arthur Miller, right, enjoy dessert and after-dinner drinks with Yves Montand, back to camera, and his wife Simone Signoret. image from beneathmagentaskies.com http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7124/7...02393403_o.jpg BeverlyHillsHotel interior Marilyn's bungalow II, circa 1959 image from kiwicollection.com http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7...869d3abe_o.jpg BHH nighttime panorama Beverly Hills Hotel nighttime panorama. image from dailymail.co.uk |
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According to the county tax assessor's public database, no reportable construction or other improvements have occurred onsite since 1981. That was years before her death and I presume she was still living there at the time. (N.B. I can't link to the specific entry for the property. Just type in 1000 Roxbury in the address field, no directional designation or suffix.) |
Grand Hotel, intriguing indeed! A quick check of the 1918 telephone book shows Grand Hotel at 629 S Los Angeles; by the 1929 telephone book, the Grand Hotel is gone. So if we use 629 S LA as our address, Charlie would be walking alongside the PE Bldg, which does have those sort of openings there. But then wouldn't across the street have more terminal business going on? And why does the Grand Hotel stick out like that?
Now, we could be looking from the other side of 6th with the intersection behind the assembled mass, in which case those dark-colored capitals on the pilasters quite resemble those on the Kerckhoff-Cuzner Mills Co. Annex...if you squint. Food for thought anyway. I might have more later but I gotta run... |
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(Yeah, I do realize that the sign is actually saying that it's a cafe, and that it's Bob's, but "Cafe Bob's" would be delightfully self-aggrandizing--and, uh, self-deprecating at the same time. Imagine if there'd been a Dragnet episode where Friday and Romero had to interview a waiter at Cafe Bob's. (For the pictures, see the original post.) |
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Are the phone books of which you speak available on line? While not every residence and business had a telephone in 1918, it is possible the "[ _ _ _ _ ] Bar" was so equipped. Curiously, the "Grand Hotel" did not make the cut in the 1923 City Directory. Maybe, to maintain its exclusivity, it paid not to be listed. :cool: http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...oc=grand+hotel It might be logical to assume that the "Grand Hotel" advertisement adorns that building; however, could it be that the sign was on another building? Tally ho! Main Street looking south from Sixth Street, ca.1918 (No Scene Twice Seen) http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...405E18D69?v=hr Sixth Street looking west from the Kerckhoff building near Main Street, ca. 1900 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../CHS-5652?v=hr Kerckhoff Bldg., ca 1910-1920(?) http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...T-BUI-157?v=hr All from USC Digital |
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As novel as this sounds, at one time, it wasn't. Can't say I have any specific knowledge of the Los Angeles area, but there were plenty of "troughs" in various stag saloons throughout the country. Needless to say, as mores changed and public health became more of a significant governmental concern, most fell out of favor.:rolleyes: :whisper:http://forgottenbuffalo.com/forgotte...ertroughs.html |
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-S EDIT: Ah, I see his reply above now. Nevermind! :D |
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Folks, you might enjoy reading this recent Los Angeles Times interview with me about the historic James Oviatt Building in downtown L.A. The second link has a photo gallery as well.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,2357113.story http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...8.photogallery |
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Great article and photos! Thanks for sharing, and thanks for all you're doing to keep up interest in Oviatt and his building. For all the buildings that have been lost, it's terrific knowing that some people do what they can to preserve history of the architecture and the people associated with it. :) |
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