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GaylordWilshire May 22, 2015 2:00 AM

:previous:

It had the look of South LA--I saw what looked like the end of the tracks in the other Federal Cold Storage pic... So followed the old LARy V line west from there...and before long, there was Compton and the house etc.

ethereal_reality May 22, 2015 2:17 AM

Does anyone recognize this building? It doesn't look familiar to me.

"Pasadena, circa 1920s."
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...905/dnjvXq.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PASADENA-CAL...item5d58b75478

It appears to take up a whole block. -and what's that thing with the three globes in the middle of the street?

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sopas ej May 22, 2015 3:35 AM

^^^
Hmmm, I can't imagine where that could be in Pasadena. I've never seen that image before, and I am unfamiliar with that 3-globe thing in the middle of the street...



This looks like a cool book to have:
Author James Ellroy Explores The Seedy Crimes Of 1953 In Photos
http://galleries.gothamistllc.com/as...APD53_p094.jpg
LAist

Wig-Wag May 22, 2015 4:14 AM

Rune Markings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7035401)
:previous: Gee Willikers....you're batting a 1000 tonight GW!

How did you ever figure out the color slide was the NE corner of Vernon and Compton??
and now this black and white discovery of Vernon and Downey. Your sleuthing is beyond reproach.
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But I still want to believe those are rune markings at the top of the cold storage building. ;)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/280...540/D4rgUW.jpg




*I can't believe I just said "Gee Willikers" I'm turning into my grandfather.

Gentlemen, I believe the markings at the very to on the ends of the building are ice tongs for moving large blocks of ice.

Cheers,
Jack

tovangar2 May 22, 2015 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 7035488)

Beaudry made me buy it. I'll have it Saturday.


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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 7035514)
Gentlemen, I believe the markings at the very to on the ends of the building are ice tongs for moving large blocks of ice.

Cheers,
Jack

I didn't say I was a gentleman; I said I was tired.

Martin Pal May 22, 2015 8:16 AM

According to the Old L.A. Restaurants website, that Tourmaline linked, in 1950 the Villa Capri opened at 1735 N. McCadden Place in Hollywood. (It was next door to Don the Beachcomber's restaurant at #1727, which had previously been located on the opposite side of the street.) In 1957, Villa Capri relocated to a larger, plusher building a few blocks away at 6735 Yucca Street, one block north of Hollywood Boulevard.

I could not find any photographs of the Villa Capri on McCadden Place. I did find this one of the
6735 Yucca Street address. It was taken in 1971.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-1.jpg
photos all from Bruce Torrence/Hollywood Photographs

It turns out this location was not a "few blocks away" as described above.
McCadden Place is the first street to the left when you pass Highland Ave.
going east on Hollywood Blvd. It only runs about a block long and then hits
Yucca Street in a "T" as you can see in the photo, so the original Villa Capri
was only a half a block or so from there.

Here's an interior of it from 1960.
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-4.jpg

None of the two Don the Beachcomber's or Villa Capri's survive. They've all been demolished.
In fact, I wonder what is on that street nowadays?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7034861)
The quoted text is somewhat historically imperfect given that in its original form, James Dean could not have visited the Yucca location in 1957 (unless the author is referring to the spirit world).

I did find the following two photos of James Dean at the Villa Capri on McCadden Place.
They are dated 1955.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-2.jpg

The female he is with is actress Ursula Andress. The others are not identified

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-3.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7034861)
But the text includes something about which I have long wondered. By whom, where and when was Pizza commercially introduced in LA? Did Patsy have it on the '39 menu? Pizza shops clearly proliferated in the '50s, but was Patsy really first, pre WW2? :shrug:

I haven't researched anything, but I've wondered about that on occasion as well, especially watching films from the 30's and 40's. Let us know anything you find out again about this subject!

Beaudry May 22, 2015 9:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7035520)
Beaudry made me buy it. I'll have it Saturday.

Guilty as charged! I admit I do my share of talking it up, but I'm unreasonably fond of it, having worked on the thing.

LAPD '53 has all sorts of shots of interest to the Noirisher. E.g., an interior shot (note the just-visible Buckley Mac-Gurrin murals) of the old Hall of Records, where the Board of Supervisors met, and where an irate homeowner punched a supervisor who then expired:

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7739/1...85efbbdb_c.jpg

3610 S Flower (being moved for freeway construction):

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5347/1...e9678e76_b.jpg

2700 West Temple (a story told in LAPD '53 in Ellroy's inimitable style, also to be found here as recounted by the equally impressive Larry Harnisch):

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5444/1...db264fc1_b.jpg
(Interestingly, this ↑ was replaced by the 1966 LAPD Rampart Division Station.)

Groundbreaking on the Health Center & Police Administration Building:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8763/1...205a5cf5_c.jpg

The fabled Hildreth carriage house:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5337/1...845c5292_b.jpg

The DeVorss story is typically Los Angeles! Whose site would have you believe their patriarch "died suddenly in a dreadful accident"; Ellroy will tell you the actual sordid tale. 516 West 9th:

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7674/1...6b570b89_c.jpghttps://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7722/1...85f09fa0_c.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8881/1...24667d8f_z.jpg

Straw hat, white gloves, a .38 revolver, and 211 P.C., at what's now 3540 MLK:

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7743/1...988c1550_b.jpg

Here's the Admiral, some neighbors, and a fastback:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5468/1...a7f703c1_c.jpg

Looking at the Fifth St marquee of the Biltmore:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8812/1...f6e700dd_c.jpg

...and on and on it goes. A nice write-up in LA Magazine the other day gives the skinny on the ideas behind it, the production process, etc.

MichaelRyerson May 22, 2015 9:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7035648)
Guilty as charged! I admit I do my share of talking it up, but I'm unreasonably fond of it, having worked on the thing.


I got my 'has shipped' notice yesterday. Looks like a Friday landing followed by a holiday week end. Perfect timing. Now if Ellroy's words don't ruin it.

GaylordWilshire May 22, 2015 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 7035514)
Gentlemen, I believe the markings at the very to on the ends of the building are ice tongs for moving large blocks of ice.

Cheers,
Jack


You're right, WW--of course, from the building's beginnings as Standard Ice. You really get the idea in the modern street view with the "crimp" in the image at left:


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV

ethereal_reality May 22, 2015 3:42 PM

:previous:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/a0aDCr.jpg
http://www.theicemaninc.com/wp/ 1928

;)

ethereal_reality May 22, 2015 3:53 PM

Abandoned Los Angeles Ice Plant fire, two dead.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/0La5BK.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Press-P...item5b0b7a7642

I wonder where this ice plant was located?



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...912/8EdiSc.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Press-P...item5b0b7a7642
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HossC May 22, 2015 4:03 PM

:previous:

The 1939 CD lists the Classic Studio Divan Mfg Co at 155 E Jefferson Boulevard.

Tourmaline May 22, 2015 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7035636)
I did find the following two photos of James Dean at the Villa Capri on McCadden Place.
They are dated 1955.
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-2.jpg
The female he is with is actress Ursula Andress. The others are not identified
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-3.jpg


Thanks MPal. I expect the VCapri appears in some uncategorized previous NLA-posted-long shots. Curious about the subject being celebrated. Bon Voyage or Bon Appétit? "S.S. Sarno?"





From the sublime to the mundane? Angelino Heights (adjacent) groceries delivery.

1940 - 1276 West Temple Street (Makeshift Safeway loading platform, etc.) http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/87667/rec/18


1940 - Was the tower part of something parochial or a fire station? Looking North on Edgeware drive? It would appear that this area was gobbled up by a certain 101 freeway.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0

1940 - tower that didn't last
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0



1940 - Street cars
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0





1940 - 322
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0


1940 - Truckmaster school of trucking teaches to chock those wheels. Please.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0





1940 - Unloading ramp
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0



1940 - Is that truck rolling? In my direction?? :runaway:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0


1940 - Stokley's finest!
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0



1940 - Stakebed load
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/87667/rec/18



1940 - Grace Bros Beer :cheers:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0

Dole products from Hawaii (really).
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0

ethereal_reality May 22, 2015 4:24 PM

:previous: Very interesting street scenes Tourmaline.



Stationers Corporation Company fire at 1260 Factory Place, 1931.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/64wjps.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1931-Los-Ang...item540f6140fc

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/Ndatjc.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...540/RvCkYV.jpg
google_earth

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oldstuff May 22, 2015 5:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7035932)
Thanks MPal. I expect the VCapri appears in some uncategorized previous NLA-posted-long shots. Curious about the subject being celebrated. Bon Voyage or Bon Appétit? "S.S. Sarno?"





From the sublime to the mundane? Angelino Heights (adjacent) groceries delivery.

1940 - 1276 West Temple Street (Makeshift Safeway loading platform, etc.) http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/87667/rec/18


1940 - Was the tower part of something parochial or a fire station? Looking North on Edgeware drive? It would appear that this area was gobbled up by a certain 101 freeway.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0

1940 - tower that didn't last
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0



1940 - Street cars
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0





1940 - 322
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0


1940 - Truckmaster school of trucking teaches to chock those wheels. Please.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0





1940 - Unloading ramp
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0



1940 - Is that truck rolling? In my direction?? :runaway:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0


1940 - Stokley's finest!
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0



1940 - Stakebed load
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/87667/rec/18



1940 - Grace Bros Beer :cheers:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0

Dole products from Hawaii (really).
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...ato&DMROTATE=0

The tower is part of the fire station that was moved when the freeway was put through. It was originally built in 1928 and housed Engine Company #6 . It originally faced onto Temple. The station lost the tower, which was for hanging hose to dry, when it was moved a block up Edgeware to the corner of Bellvue. It was also turned a quarter of a turn to fit onto the new lot. The station remains in its relocated spot but is no longer an active firehouse. The interior of the old firehouse has a tin ceiling and a firepole in the engine area. Dorm areas are above with the captains quarters. It was moved in 1949.

The house in the background, which sits at an angle to the lot, facing the corner of Edgeware and Bellevue, is still there, as are the ones directly across Edgeware. Just up the hill and around the corner to the left are the Carroll Avenue houses.

The building where the groceries are being delivered was also lost to the freeway.

HossC May 22, 2015 5:43 PM

:previous:

This must be the old fire station. It now faces Edgeware Road between Bellevue Avenue and Boston Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eEdgeware1.jpg
GSV

A truncated tower still exists at the rear.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eEdgeware2.jpg
GSV

The building on the southwest corner of Edgeware and Temple (1300 W Temple) is a survivor, although it's just out of frame in Tourmaline's pictures. I found a build date of 1924.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eEdgeware3.jpg
GSV

Here's a 1948 aerial view which I think still shows the fire station, complete with tower, at its original location.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eEdgeware4.jpg
Historic Aerials

sopas ej May 22, 2015 6:25 PM

That ice man, dayam.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7035636)
photos all from Bruce Torrence/Hollywood Photographs
I did find the following two photos of James Dean at the Villa Capri on McCadden Place.
They are dated 1955.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-2.jpg

The female he is with is actress Ursula Andress. The others are not identified

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/RN-154-3.jpg

I'm looking at James Dean's hairline; is he wearing a hairpiece or was his head shaved for a role? I don't recall him having a receding hairline; in other photos it always looked like he had a full head of hair.

Beaudry May 22, 2015 6:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7035886)

Little known is Mick Jones's job as an iceman before he formed The Clash:

http://static.spin.com/files/131125-...h-premiere.jpg

ethereal_reality May 22, 2015 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 7036129)
That ice man, dayam.

My thoughts exactly.;)
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Before (1929) and After (1949) from the 1941 'Master Plan'.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/AsEpfP.png
http://www.metro.net/about/library/a...ation-studies/


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...913/ARvQzD.png
http://www.metro.net/about/library/a...ation-studies/


detail 1929 / cartouche with 'Petroleum Securities Building' (but it's been removed in the 1941 photo...Why?)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/TAbUTD.jpg
http://www.metro.net/about/library/a...ation-studies/


view today
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...910/M3x9eA.jpg
gsv


But it still says Petroleum Building above the main entrance on Olympic Boulevard. (as well as the build date, 1925)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/x0glaE.jpg

detail
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/nyiuW2.jpg



hmmmm...and is this an older building that was incorporated into the new tower?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/5PfhhU.jpg
gsv

It appears to be where the Belmont Apartments were located in both the 1929 and 1941 photographs, but I'm not sure.

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for search purposes;
Olympic Boulevard and Flower Street, 1929, 1941, Petroleum Building, Belmont Apartments
Master Plan of Highways, County of Los Angeles.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...911/Z3it38.jpg
http://www.metro.net/about/library/a...ation-studies/

Beaudry May 22, 2015 7:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7035657)
I got my 'has shipped' notice yesterday. Looks like a Friday landing followed by a holiday week end. Perfect timing. Now if Ellroy's words don't ruin it.

Well you can certainly look at the images and pretend that the accompanying Ellroyisms are so much Lorem Ipsum...but his tales do give the backstories, so you may want to slog your way through them. Each of these is significantly shorter than his new novel by about 720 pages, so, not too bad. Plus his introductory essay is written in full, erudite sentences and not in the staccato prose for which he is known—his take on Parker, LA, society, etc., may not be to everyone's digestion, personally, I eat it up gleefully. De gustibus non est disputandum!

The keyhole doorway at the Melody Lane, Hollywood & Vine:
http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-700/h--...-810x1020.jpeg


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