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ethereal_reality Sep 13, 2013 12:04 AM

May 1962. I think this one of those shift-focus thingys. ;)
http://imageshack.us/a/img856/6797/utdu.jpg
go here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...-/200963182761
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GaylordWilshire Sep 13, 2013 1:23 AM

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-f...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAPL

According to the LAPL, this was a house belonging to the Shorb family at 412 Justicia St. According to the only prior post I could find here regarding the Shorbs, (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8538), Justicia later became Buena Vista. The house above doesn't seem to jive with the Shorb house
mentioned in that post as being on Justicia/Buena Vista, to the right of the handwritten capital "J" at left:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7131/7...72561f87_b.jpg


Anyway, I came across this website describing various noirish details pertaining to the Shorbs--oh, bilking people out of money, abortion, that sort of thing--the first part is rather tedious, and the type is small against a background that makes it that much harder to read-- but there are some pretty noirishly juicy details in the second part:

http://www.skagitriverjournal.com/WA...02-Shorb1.html (Mostly longwinded details of the origins of the Shorbs--the usual, and usually bogus, claims of a certain type of American immigrant to royal blood, etc)

http://www.skagitriverjournal.com/WA...03-Shorb2.html (The lurid parts are in this chapter)


The Times of August 7, 1896, reported on Shorb's involvement in an abortion case (it wasn't the first time he had been charged, according to 2nd link above):
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y...2520AM.bmp.jpg

Mstimc Sep 13, 2013 4:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6264935)
posted earlier by Flyingwedge

Does anyone know what this is in the park? My first thought was penguin pool. lol
http://imageshack.us/a/img202/9070/2b21.jpg
google aerial


Here it is from the street.
http://imageshack.us/a/img534/8620/u42d.jpg
google street view
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Its a mini-climbing wall for little kids. There's one just like it in a park near me. Its hard to see the little rock-like projections that you can climb on because they're almost the same color as the walls themselves.

Flyingwedge Sep 13, 2013 6:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ploni (Post 6265001)

Regarding Airdrome, I've researched that pretty extensively and from what I can tell there was never an airport around there. In 1923, it was named Sixteenth Street...according to a tract map I have.

Looking at original tract maps from the 1920's, I found that Airdrome east of Roberston Blvd originally included a Pacific Electric right of way on the south side of the street all the way to Venice Blvd, but was never used. Eventually, it looks like additional homes were added on the ends of the streets over the right of way, making it a narrow street with sidewalks only on the north side.

Why they called it Airdrome? I haven't been able to figure that out.

(I have been looking for street-level pictures of this area for a number of years...with no luck so far.)

Airdrome Street also marks most of the northeast boundary of the old Rancho Rincon de los Bueyes, with Rancho Rodeo de las Aguas -- now Beverly Hills -- on the other side. Below, the same Cheviot Hills area we've been discussing is shown on an 1875 map of Rancho Rincon de los Bueyes. Beverwil Drive now runs between the two landforms.

The southeast-to-northwest boundary line makes an angle to the southwest at the top of the map (at the little 2) where Airdrome would intersect with Pico Boulevard if Airdrome went that far. Going counterclockwise from there, the corner at the left edge of the map (the little 3) is where Pico and Manning Avenue would intersect if Manning went all the way to Pico. Rancho San Jose de Buenos Ayres was above the line now formed by Pico. Continuing southeast, past where Manning turns at the Santa Monica Fwy, the boundary line eventually runs through what is now the Culver Studios and up into Baldwin Hills Scenic Overlook, a California State Park, where the line turns south:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa1cd7d34.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psf05ec272.jpg
ZOOMABLE map @ Huntington Digital Library -- http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c...d/11470/rec/18

On the other end of Airdrome, the rancho's eastern boundary was formed by a line now occupied by Genesee and Fairfax Avenues, down to the Fairfax/La Cienega "Y," then down roughly along La Cienega until it met the other side of the spike-shaped southern point of the rancho, near what is now the intersection of La Cienega and Stocker Street.

More about Rancho Rincon de los Bueyes -- including Mae Rindge -- in this 1939 article: http://www.expogreenway.org/History_...a%20Rancho.htm

JScott Sep 13, 2013 11:22 AM

Main at 7th, mid-'60s
 
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...1_1280_sky.jpg
memoriastoica on tumblr (color-corrected)

HossC Sep 13, 2013 12:17 PM

Hi everyone. I would introduce myself as a lurker, but, in truth, I haven't had time to lurk while reading through this amazing thread (from the start) over the past couple of months. Can I use this opportunity to thank all the contributors who have given me such an interesting variety of topics to read about during that time. Long may it continue.

I came upon this thread by a circuitous route. Like a couple of other members (eg. Moxie with 'Scarecrow and Mrs. King' and ProphetM with 'NCIS') I'm into looking for filming locations. I've compiled an almost complete list for 'The Dukes of Hazzard' (TV show), most of which are around Santa Clarita, with a few forays into places like the San Fernando Valley, Piru and Oxnard. Then, earlier this year, I decided to watch my way through 'CHiPs'. I had great fun finding filming locations for that show that seemed to cover a huge area of Los Angeles. It may only be 30-35 years old (which doesn't date back to the origins of this thread), but some areas have seen some huge changes in that time. While doing background research on several of these places I found myself directed to this thread, and the rest is history!

I thought it might be a 'CHiPs' location that gave me an excuse to post here, but it's actually 'The Dukes of Hazzard'. A couple of months back in post #15748, E_R posted this mystery picture labeled as the Santa Monica Mountains in the 1920s.

http://imageshack.us/a/img844/5546/k15t.jpg
ebay - originally posted by ethereal_reality

The "mystery rock formation" is now in Lake Eleanor Open Space, near Lake Sherwood. I can't determine the exact camera location, but it must've been on or near Westlake Boulevard. The view below is as close as I could get - it was taken from here.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...akeBlvdGSV.jpg
GSV

Lake Sherwood Ranch and the surrounding area was used extensively for filming the middle seasons of Dukes. Just like Bunker Hill, the ranch was subsequently regraded, and is now unrecognizable (it became the Sherwood Country Club). As an aside:

Quote:

Lake Sherwood is so called due to its use as the location for Sherwood Forest in the 1922 film, Robin Hood, starring Douglas Fairbanks. The 1938 film, The Adventures of Robin Hood, starring Errol Flynn, also had a major scene shot on location at "Sherwood Forest". - Wikipedia
The reason I recognized the rock formation? Here it is with Hughie Hogg's VW driving by:

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...A/Rock0307.jpg
Warner Bros.

ethereal_reality Sep 13, 2013 3:02 PM

:previous: -great find!

Welcome to the thread HossC!

GaylordWilshire Sep 13, 2013 4:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6265706)

Scott-- Not to nitpick but rather in the interest of dating correctly... the car in the middle is a '67 Ford Fairlane....

Andys Sep 13, 2013 6:19 PM

HossC,

Indeed, much of the Duke's filming was done in Santa Clarita. My ex-in-laws lived in a house (no longer there) at the mouth of the canyon that was the entrance to the filming site in those years. It always humored me that a dry, oak tree landscape was the backdrop for the Southeastern US.

Andys

Andys Sep 13, 2013 6:26 PM

HossC,


I forgot to comment on CHip's. Many of the freewy scenes were filmed on an un-opened section of the 210 freeway in Sylmar that was still under construction at the time.

Andys

JScott Sep 13, 2013 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6266117)
Scott-- Not to nitpick but rather in the interest of dating correctly... the car in the middle is a '67 Ford Fairlane....

Thank you! I actually based my estimate on that very car (it seemed like the newest model in the photo), but I guess I was about a half-decade off. :shrug: :tup:

BifRayRock Sep 13, 2013 6:59 PM





:machinegun:


FlyingWedge discussed the shooting gallery at 43 S Main Street, circa '1878. http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...90#post6216190


http://imageshack.us/a/img21/70/4amx.jpg

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbc6c19fb.jpg

Photo seen on this thread evidences another Main Street range (200 block), circa '52. Note range is next door to hotel and money lenders. Good location for learning to shoot. ;)
http://www.cartype.com/pics/6020/full/p05734.jpg http://www.cartype.com/pics/6020/full/p05734.jpg





BifRayRock Sep 13, 2013 7:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6266355)
Thank you! I actually based my estimate on that very car (it seemed like the newest model in the photo), but I guess I was about a half-decade off. :shrug: :tup:




Dates can be deceiving. That Fairlane body style was used in '66 and '67. But I think the picture may be a little later, i.e., '68. In the left lane, two cars ahead of the Ford, looks like a mint green 68 Pontiac. But admittedly, this is a stretch. Clothing may also be an indicator.



HossC Sep 13, 2013 7:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6265931)
Welcome to the thread HossC!

Thanks for the welcome, E_R.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys (Post 6266301)
Indeed, much of the Duke's filming was done in Santa Clarita. My ex-in-laws lived in a house (no longer there) at the mouth of the canyon that was the entrance to the filming site in those years. It always humored me that a dry, oak tree landscape was the backdrop for the Southeastern US.

Which canyon was that, Andys? I may have a screengrab of their old house. You can see the my Dukes of Hazzard filming locations thread on HazzardNet.com: it's at http://www.hazzardnet.com/forums/sho...Hazzard-Square. It started out mainly being centered on the Warner Bros. backlot, but quickly grew to anywhere that appeared on-screen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys (Post 6266324)
I forgot to comment on CHip's. Many of the freewy scenes were filmed on an un-opened section of the 210 freeway in Sylmar that was still under construction at the time.

The same intersections on the 210 appear very frequently in the early seasons. In the later seasons they made extensive use of Shoreline Drive in Long Beach. Having said that, they were just as likely to be Malibu, Santa Monica, Culver City or the San Fernando Valley. A couple of the locations have given me ideas for future posts.

JScott Sep 13, 2013 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6266405)



Dates can be deceiving. That Fairlane body style was used in '66 and '67. But I think the picture may be a little later, i.e., '68. In the left lane, two cars ahead of the Ford, looks like a mint green 68 Pontiac. But admittedly, this is a stretch. Clothing may also be an indicator.




*sighs* And I used to know my cars so well, particularly Fords! (We were a "Ford family," actually, so I'm doubly ashamed.)

Anyway, it sure was a nice, sunny day! Not much smog at all; just a slight haze in the distance. One of those "light to moderate eye irritation" days, I guess. ^^

ethereal_reality Sep 13, 2013 8:19 PM

-dates aside, I really like this image Scott posted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6265706)

Looking at the same scene today I was surprised to see the large building on the left (United California Bank) is gone. At what point in time did that happen?

If you look closely, you can see a large vertical sign that says 'Continental'. Is this attached to the far side of the building mentioned above?

I love the tiny diagonal 'cocktails' sign, as well as the HOT Do-Nut sign. You can also see the Santa Fe sign on the Pacific Electric Building at 6th and Main. Fun photo!
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HossC Sep 13, 2013 8:22 PM

I have a confession. When I started reading this thread it made me quite depressed to see all the beautiful buildings that have been razed over the years. However, I've been heartened to see that many, some fairly well hidden, have survived. Here's a few motels that fit that category. They are all from postcards found on Ebay a couple of weeks ago. I've searched the thread for previous mentions, and hope that none are reposts.

We've seen the Park Plaza Hotel near MacArthur Park several times before, but I don't remember the Park Plaza Lodge at 6001 W Third Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...AParkPlaza.jpg
Ebay (color-corrected)

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...rkPlazaGSV.jpg
GSV (also color-corrected)

Bevonshire Lodge at 7575 Beverly Blvd. has come up before. BifRayRock included a brief mention at the bottom of post #13282.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Bevonshire.jpg
Ebay

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...onshireGSV.jpg
GSV

The Fairfax Motel at 913 No. Fairfax Avenue no longer looks like it's a motel, but the building still there, and virtually unchanged!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z.../LAFairfax.jpg
Ebay

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...FairfaxGSV.jpg
GSV

As far as I can tell, the Best Inn at 1822 No. Cahuenga Avenue is a remodel of the Yucca Motel. Personally, I prefer the look of the Yucca.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LA/LAYucca.jpg
Ebay

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAYuccaGSV.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Sep 13, 2013 9:18 PM

:previous:-Really fun before/afters HossC. It's pretty cool that the Park Plaza Lodge still has the same mid-century sign.
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Greyhound Bus Station on the northeast corner of 6th and Los Angeles Street. (not to be confused with the later bus station
on the southeast corner of 6th and Los Angeles St.)
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/928/b1x8.jpg
http://www.pacificelectric.org/pacif...and-greyhound/


and today.
http://imageshack.us/a/img10/3594/vslz.jpg

The tall building at left is visible in both photographs, but I am stumped by the dark building in the upper-right corner
of the vintage photo. (it appears to be about a block away)

A remodel of the art deco station can be seen here (blue building,far right in the photo)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7443

It's been discussed earlier in the thread that the current 2 story building on the northeast corner is the old art deco Greyhound Station.
It's difficult to imagine, I know, but the shape and windows are quite similar.

Lwize Sep 13, 2013 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 6265526)
Its a mini-climbing wall for little kids. There's one just like it in a park near me. Its hard to see the little rock-like projections that you can climb on because they're almost the same color as the walls themselves.

The structure in the middle of Circle Park is a water fountain and reflecting pool, turned off and left dry decades ago. I used to live nearby.

CityBoyDoug Sep 13, 2013 10:05 PM

Sleep tight.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6266537)
I have a confession. When I started reading this thread it made me quite depressed to see all the beautiful buildings that have been razed over the years. However, I've been heartened to see that many, some fairly well hidden, have survived. Here's a few motels that fit that category. They are all from postcards found on Ebay a couple of weeks ago. I've searched the thread for previous mentions, and hope that none are reposts.

We've seen the Park Plaza Hotel near MacArthur Park several times before, but I don't remember the Park Plaza Lodge at 6001 W Third Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...AParkPlaza.jpg
Ebay (color-corrected)

I checked the YELP dot com reviews of this motel. Its gets mixed reviews. This place is very basic...weak wifi. One review mentioned that they smelled pot. What a shock that was....not! One thing I do notice is that many older motels are tearing out all of the carpeting and replacing it with hard flooring of some type. People get squeamish about walking barefoot on twenty-five year old carpet that a few thousand other people have walked on. When I stay at a motel I try to bring a sleeping bag or my own sheets.
I have a cleaning service at my home and I will not allow them to bring their company vacuum into my house. Who knows how many strange floors those vacuums have been on.


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