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The planning for Penn Station itself is supposed to kick off this summer, and work will kick off once Moynihan opens. We'll see where that leads us. But 2 Penn and it's wide addition will continue to dominate and overwhelm this end of Penn visually. |
What about the NJ Transit area? Seems like all the focus has been on LIRR when NJ Transit needs the same if not more.
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NJ Transit has it's own localized entry on the southeastern side of Penn. It's still seen below on the left, just beyond the Knicks screen. For what it's worth, I use NJ Transit everyday, and never use that entrance/exit. http://fliphtml5.com/twmd/alyp http://online.fliphtml5.com/twmd/aly...jpg?1554219139 |
https://nypost.com/2019/05/28/japane...-office-space/
Japanese ad firm Dentsu eyeing Farley Building office space By Lois Weiss May 28, 2019 Quote:
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^^^Lookin good
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At least it hopefully will not leak like WTC.
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If you get rid of most of the existing retail space in the station, you can add new concourses, new stairwells, install elevators, so on. Now, whether improving circulation (eg. elevators, new points to access platforms, etc) shouldn't be done if platform-level improvements aren't also being made is a little irrelevant to me, because 1) they're not mutually exclusive (both are necessary, and doing one doesn't mean you're not going to do the other) and 2) even demolishing MSG isn't going to solve all of our problems, because regional rail services need to rationalized so that PSNY isn't operating as a pseudo-terminal for some services (eg. LIRR, NJT). Platform-level issues and capacity constraints can be solved by improving service and administration of the railroads even without removing MSG...many tracks could probably be gotten rid of and the remaining platforms widened. As it stands, expanding the station will be a quite dramatic improvement, so long as they meaningfully make the correct interventions in the old building. I don't like Cuomo, but the basic assumptions guiding these improvements are largely sound: You can make PSNY function far better than it currently does by improving circulation. Fixing the issues with train movements and the tunnels is paramount, but not making the former fixes won't mean the latter get fixed faster: Nothing would happen. |
They still need to buy that block of buildings south of MSG to build Penn Station South to really expand capacity http://www.realtransit.org/images/htp/htp31.png
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It'd just be repeating the mistakes of ESA; that's what I'm too dumb to get across, I guess...? I do think there's a deeper discussion about what's going wrong here. Quote:
The basic premise, to me, is that we keep quibbling about the cost of these projects but I'm more concerned that the scope is wrong (ie. limited) because we aren't addressing the fundamental issue: The metropolitan area isn't properly planning for regional transit, and the restraints (administrative and cultural) that both flow from and bolster that situation are the reasons something like ESA is being built, at the cost it's being built, with the limited amount of usefulness therein. It's strange we simply accept that upgrading all the RRs to use the same damn technologies is ideal but too difficult, yet we tacitly cement it each time we build some $10+ billion station that doesn't even take the marginal steps (ie. for what ESA cost, we could damn well have gotten a midtown tunnel out of it instead of the cavern) to get around dealing with it. We've quite honestly either built or will build all the of the requisite infrastructure to get to 99% of where we'd like to be: We just built it incorrectly and so we're at like 10%. That's fairly frustrating to me. I'm ambivalent about costs. |
https://nypost.com/2019/06/13/penn-s...nesses-inside/
Penn Station construction to close over 10 retail businesses inside By Lisa Fickenscher June 13, 2019 Quote:
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https://nypost.com/2019/09/24/mark-z...k-post-office/
Mark Zuckerberg said to be eyeing space for Facebook at landmark post office https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...trip=all&w=915 By Lois Weiss September 24, 2019 Quote:
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If only this was the impetus for a proper penn station rebuild...
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If only this was the impetus for a proper penn station rebuild...
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^ That's a great photo. It's going to be so beautiful.
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It pales in comparison to the old station, it's not a real fix for the crime that occured. Just a stop gap measure until MSG comes down in the future which should happen because MSG is vile looking. They don't even open up the platforms to the light in the new terminus which is tragic. If they had made a transparent or translucent floor you could have brought light down to the platforms, but I suppose the costs of that would have been over the top.
All in all, a half-measure that only sort of solves the problem. NY still won't have that station that will knock people's socks off like a London St. Pancras, or Berlin's main station, etc, etc,. The tracks are still dark and dingy underground without light. There is no great train shed like those of Europe and no light getting down to the tracks. Sad but True. Much of the new station is reserved for corporate offices and shops. Again, a lack of focus on the actual RAIL issue. MSG needs to gtfo so that NY can fix the whole thing properly and open up the tracks to the light. |
Gimme dat light!
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