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chris08876 Dec 7, 2018 2:06 AM

NYC Subway Fare Beaters In Action: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uCkJE_1544126950


(Video)

With the Benny Hill music. :fruit::fruit::fruit:

k1052 Dec 7, 2018 3:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tdawg (Post 8399054)
Really? I had no idea Phase 2 was anywhere close to starting.

It's not.

mrnyc Dec 14, 2018 10:52 AM

the guv’na tours the crusty old L train tunnel:

https://nypost.com/2018/12/14/cuomo-...d-complicated/

now if only he would tour eastside access and 2nd avenue and tell us what is taking so long.

Busy Bee Dec 14, 2018 3:52 PM

^ The comments in the SecondAveSagas write-up of this point out the shameful and absurd omission of the L shutdown of not taking the once-in-a-generation opportunity to extend the tunnel and tail tracks west past Eighth Ave, at a minimum to allow faster entry into 8th Ave Station and rush train storage to address ever growing ridership, but to get one step closer to eventual extension west or turning north to the UWS. Only in America and NYC would such lack of foresight (and competance and ambition) be possible.

k1052 Dec 14, 2018 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 8408521)
the guv’na tours the crusty old L train tunnel:

https://nypost.com/2018/12/14/cuomo-...d-complicated/

now if only he would tour eastside access and 2nd avenue and tell us what is taking so long.

Pure publicity stunt that cut service to one track for the duration because he has to show off.

That's how little regard Cuomo has for subway riders.

Until the governor and mayor are replaced I'd expect the system to largely continue it's decline or at a maximum stabilize in this current decrepit state

M II A II R II K Dec 15, 2018 7:49 PM

New York Subway Riders’ Commutes Will Get Shorter

https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/new...ll-get-shorter

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- Rules put in place in the 1990s to prevent rear-end crashes on the New York City subway have had the unfortunate side effect of slowing train speeds to a crawl on many parts of the system. --- MTA NYCT President Andy Byford, who pledged that New York City subway riders would see real improvements in service by the end of this year, is making good on that pledge by identifying where overly restrictive speed limits and faulty timed signals slow down trains needlessly. The Times reports that this past summer, Byford formed a “speed unit” within the agency. The three-person team traveled over every mile of track in the system to identify places where trains could safely operate at higher speeds than were permitted.

- As Byford outlined his plans to speed up trains systemwide to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority board this past Monday, the first of the speed unit’s recommended improvements were being put in place. Speed limits along five segments of the N and R subway lines under Brooklyn’s Fourth Avenue were raised from 10 mph to 20 to 30 mph, Railway Age reports. --- That article went on to note that 29 more speed limit hikes had also been approved and would be rolled out in the coming weeks. Those changes would raise speed limits currently in the 10 to 20 mph range to the 40 to 50 mph range. The speed unit also identified 267 places where “grade time signals” - signals that are timed to keep trains from exceeding a set speed, often found on steeper downgrades - were faulty or set to slow trains down more than needed.

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k1052 Jan 3, 2019 5:57 PM

Lol Cuomo is going to cancel or greatly extend the L shutdown. Costs certain to spiral out of control again. He may be the worst governor in the country at this point.

So the Cuomo fix is some portion removing the failing bench wall and letting other parts stay but get sprayed down with epoxy. Also some bolting cables to the tunnel wall and some using the old benchwall. This does not seem like a smart plan if more of the benchwall is going to potentially fail. Also this plan has never been tried on a aged tunnel that was exposed to saltwater and has been basically left to deteriorate. Probably would have been a good idea to experiment on a less important tunnel before going all in to try something that's never been done before.

chris08876 Jan 3, 2019 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 8408729)
Only in America and NYC would such lack of foresight (and competance and ambition) be possible.

It must reach catastrophic levels before the right things are done. But yes, lack of competence and ambition are at an all time high. Its a sacrilege.

mrnyc Jan 3, 2019 6:28 PM

i think i've noticed some trains speeding up already. however, speeding is what led to the union square approach wreck in the 80s, so the speed governors are in place for a good reason. no doubt it can be tweaked, but there is only so much they can do with that. you certainly don't want to give the operators the impression that a green light means speed is a free for all down there.

mrnyc Jan 3, 2019 6:32 PM

a new december 2018 advisory work group report on how to fix the mta:


https://pfnyc.org/wp-content/uploads...oup-Report.pdf

k1052 Jan 3, 2019 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 8424919)
i think i've noticed some trains speeding up already. however, speeding is what led to the union square approach wreck in the 80s, so the speed governors are in place for a good reason. no doubt it can be tweaked, but there is only so much they can do with that. you certainly don't want to give the operators the impression that a green light means speed is a free for all down there.

Some of the speed limits in places are so old that nobody alive knows why they were set at that level and/or physical conditions have changed so much as to make them obsolete. Also many signal timers were broken and tripping train brakes even if trains were below the limit (causing operators to slow even more).

Who cares tho. This system is probably beyond saving given the lack of political will and gross mismanagement.

Crawford Jan 3, 2019 8:15 PM

Fantastic news re. the L. Thank you, Cuomo! (which is pretty much a first given his abysmal record re. the MTA).

I had been dreading the shutdown for two years now. It never made sense, given that the tunnels themselves are fine. Glad we can keep the line running while fixing the issue.

k1052 Jan 3, 2019 8:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 8425064)
Fantastic news re. the L. Thank you, Cuomo! (which is pretty much a first given his abysmal record re. the MTA).

I had been dreading the shutdown for two years now. It never made sense, given that the tunnels themselves are fine. Glad we can keep the line running while fixing the issue.

This takes a lot for granted.

Busy Bee Jan 3, 2019 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 8424919)
i think i've noticed some trains speeding up already. however, speeding is what led to the union square approach wreck in the 80s, so the speed governors are in place for a good reason. no doubt it can be tweaked, but there is only so much they can do with that. you certainly don't want to give the operators the impression that a green light means speed is a free for all down there.

I would recommend reading the SecondAveSagas article on the matter.

k1052 Jan 3, 2019 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 8425103)
I would recommend reading the SecondAveSagas article on the matter.

Also Aaron Gordon's reporting as well.

mrnyc Jan 4, 2019 11:28 AM

L train about face — seems like what they want to do now instead should work out ok — and it avoids the shutdown:

https://nypost.com/2019/01/03/how-iv...ain-nightmare/

M II A II R II K Jan 13, 2019 12:07 AM

Relief for New York City’s Transit Deserts? Commuter Trains Might Help

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/n...rains-nyc.html

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- Railroad tracks that run through the Bronx. The tracks are used by Amtrak trains, but would be opened to new commuter trains under a billion-dollar expansion by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority of rail service linking Manhattan with suburbs north of New York City. Four new train stations for the Metro-North Railroad would be built along the line in the eastern Bronx, where subway service is sparse and buses are often slow and unreliable.

- The aboveground rails that crisscross the city are increasingly being seen as a way to alleviate some of New York’s most pressing transportation problems. City leaders and transit advocates say commuter trains could be put into service to fill transit gaps and reduce congestion on subways, buses and roads. In neighborhoods where new train stations are built, new jobs, housing and development could follow.

- There are 38 Metro-North and Long Island Rail Road stations in the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens, many in neighborhoods with sparse subway and bus service, according to a recent analysis by the city comptroller, Scott M. Stringer. But the comptroller noted that there is limited service at those stations, or tickets are priced so much higher than subway and bus fares that residents cannot afford them.

- Mr. Stringer and transit advocates have suggested pricing commuter trains within the city the same as subways $2.75 for a ride, including free transfers to subways and buses to encourage more riders. Transportation authority officials said they have been reviewing these issues and are conducting a pricing study on some Long Island Rail Road trains in Brooklyn and Queens. Since 2004, the price of commuter train trips within the five boroughs has been lowered on weekends through a program called City Ticket.

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https://i.imgur.com/aeL2eKQ.jpg?1

C. Jan 13, 2019 4:42 AM

Upstate is rapidly losing population while NYC is thriving. At some point in the not to distant future politicians wont give a shit about upstate. All attention will be on getting the votes and money from NYC.

Only then will NYC subway concerns be taken seriously.

mrnyc Jan 13, 2019 5:00 AM

cuomo announced the metro north expansion in the bronx five years ago -- its part of the penn access project.

the bronx is the fastest growing county in the state, so it could use more rail service.

it would be nice if they priced service in the city limits at a flat rate equal to other city transit --- we will see what happens.

https://www.6sqft.com/the-city-is-lo...e-south-bronx/

http://web.mta.info/capital/penn_sta...ccess_alt.html

k1052 Jan 15, 2019 1:26 PM

MTA considered Cuomo's plan years ago and it was shot down for safety and service issues.

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The transit agency has come under intense criticism for not thinking of the idea sooner, but officials did closely examine an option much like the one Mr. Cuomo is pursuing in May 2014. Engineers warned that mounting heavy cables to the wall of a nearly century-old tunnel under the East River between Manhattan and Brooklyn could damage its lining, according to the documents.

“Excessive anchor bolt penetrations for installing critical cables may damage the concrete lining and induce leakages,” according to a report by the transit agency and Parsons Brinckerhoff, an engineering consultant now known as WSP that is leading planning for Mr. Cuomo’s alternate plan.
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Instead of closing the subway tunnel for 15 months, the new plan would limit construction work to one tube at a time on nights and weekends over a longer period of time. But the report raised concerns that the construction work could create silica dust, a hazardous mineral that would be difficult to remove during a short weekend closing. Exposure to silica dust can damage the lungs.
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The engineers also said there was a “high risk” of not being able to restore train service on time every Monday morning.

Also the repair is expected to have a life of maximum half as long. Certainly possible it lasts that long but also possible the lifespan is FAR shorter if it doesn't work. Nobody knows.

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Workers would remove damaged parts of the bench wall and secure other parts with a substance known as fiber reinforced polymer that could last 40 years. Rebuilding the bench walls, as the original plan called for, could last more than 80 years
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/n...a-subway-.html

The original plan, while more disruptive, is more conservative engineering and wiser in terms of dollars spent. Given the experience the MTA gained in the other tube reconstructions they probably would finish ahead of schedule. This whole plan looks really irresponsible.


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