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Flyingwedge Mar 28, 2023 3:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9902548)
While looking for more information on the 1909 Birdseye Map, I ran across a portion of a 1913 such, purporting to show newer buildings in town. I don't believe it has been featured on NLA before. This was published in the Los Angeles Herald December 6, 1913.

https://i.postimg.cc/zDtJ4Jqs/Birdse...-1913-12-6.jpg


Here's a link to an enormous version of that map -- compliments of Robert Marsh & Co.:

https://www.lapl.org/sites/default/f...rsh%201913.jpg

ethereal_reality Mar 28, 2023 5:46 PM

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Here are a couple of photographs of an impressive house in Pasadena.


They're both labeled:..."PHOTOGRAPH HOUSE/HOME YARROW MAYHEW'S PASADENA LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA OLD PHOTO"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/wtSpS1.jpg
eBay



This closer view just sold a few minutes ago.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/65WtLW.jpg
eBay


Nice place.


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ethereal_reality Mar 28, 2023 8:16 PM

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Has anyone heard of Toberman Street?


"PHOTOGRAPH CARPENTER TOBERMAN STREET HORSE/WAGON LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA PHOTO"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pkzGG4.jpg
eBay



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odinthor Mar 28, 2023 8:38 PM

:previous:

e_r, your wish is my command:

https://i.postimg.cc/GmS1M4p5/Toberman001.jpg
Bekins map, dated 1904

HenryHuntington Mar 28, 2023 11:49 PM

Toberman Street was mentioned in one of Raymond Chandler's novels, The High Window if memory serves. Just another fun fact (if it's correct) retrieved from the sub-basement of a minion's storehouse of NLA trivia.

Noir_Noir Mar 29, 2023 3:55 AM

:previous:

Memory still serving you well HenryHuntington.

whyp.it - 135 Toberman Street

GaylordWilshire Mar 29, 2023 12:39 PM

:previous:


I'm going to say that this is a view toward the SWC of Venice Blvd and Toberman, with 1603 Toberman the house we see at the corner.... Almost more of an alley, Toberman ran north from Adams to Washington, then widened to 120' up to Venice—which at the time of the photo was 16th Street—then, with a jog west, up to Pico. Streetcar tracks intersected Toberman at Pico, 16th/Venice, Washington, and 23rd St.... The southerly lots south of Pico straddling Toberman run n/s; the NEC of Washington doesn't work Sanborn-map-wise, but the SWC of 16th/Venice and Toberman does...see below.

1603 Toberman appears to have been built in 1897 or so along with at least its two southerly neighbors, 1607 and 1611. At the time of the vintage image 1603 was occupied by Daniel Peterkin, a clerk at Brent's, the big credit furniture store.

Permits indicate that 1603 was owned by Anna Stine of 4128 Wilshire Boulevard in 1929, when a demolition permit was issued for it--though a permit issued the next year authorized its move to the NEC of 23rd St and Wellington Road...though if it was moved, it's gone now.


https://i.postimg.cc/nLLJ40j2/toberman-Sanborn-bmp.jpg

Engineeral Mar 29, 2023 6:01 PM

Hollywood Boulevard - Santa Claus Lane - 1945
 
Another Pacific Electric employees' magazine front page, from the January, 1946, issue. The information from the inside of the magazine says: "COVER PICTURE — Santa Claus Lane, 1945, was a beautiful example of the art of Hollywood lighting engineers. Photographer Harley B. Talbott made this time exposure from the top of the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel one cold December night. The camera was looking east on Hollywood Boulevard. One of PE's main transfer points, Highland Avenue and Hollywood Boulevard, is near the foreground."

https://i.imgur.com/TmHM0sU.jpg

Source: Internet Archive https://archive.org/details/pe-mag-1946-01-jan

Some prominent buildings still stand. The photographer took the picture from the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel which is intact at 7000 Hollywood Boulevard. The building with the illuminated sign "Barker Bros Hollywood" is today the home of the Disney "El Capitan" movie theater at 6838 Hollywood Boulevard, The Hotel Drake building is now owned by the Scientology organization at 6724, and the white building on the left, with the tower, is the Hollywood First National Building at 6777 (at Highland Avenue).

ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2023 9:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9904258)

e_r, your wish is my command:

As it should be, odinthor. ;)


So I take it Toberman Street was named after former Los Angeles mayor James R. Toberman. (shown below)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/wwFSyn.jpg

Here's his brief history.

"Portrait of James R. Toberman, who arrived in Los Angeles in 1865 after escaping from Indians in Texas. President Lincoln had appointed him U.S. Revenue Assessor here, and he held this position for 6 years. He was permitted to be an agent for the Wells Fargo Co. at the same time. Toberman served as Mayor of Los Angeles from 1872-1874, and 1878-1882. During his administration the Chamber of Commerce, the Los Angeles Herald, the Athletic Club and the Southern Branch of the University of California were organized. Toberman cut taxes from $1.60 to $1.00 per $100 assessed value. Main Street was paved and the first electric street lights went into operation."





And here is Toberman's residence on Pearl Street. (later Figueroa)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/T9pIV0.jpg
lapl

"Exterior front view of Mayor James R. Toberman's house on Pearl Street near Orange Street in Los Angeles. A second house is seen next door. Palm trees are planted in the yard."

um. .I guess the library's description means Toberman's house is the one at far left, correct?




Excellent job on pinpointing just -where- exactly the photograph was taken, GaylordWilshire. :worship: Your map made the eBay photograph all the more interesting.

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Martin Pal Mar 30, 2023 6:11 PM

Mayor James R. Toberman was the uncle of Charles E. Toberman, real estate developer and stenographer who developed landmarks in Hollywood, including the Hollywood Bowl, Grauman's Chinese Theatre, El Capitan Theatre, the Roosevelt Hotel, Grauman's Egyptian Theatre and the Hollywood Masonic Temple. C. E. Toberman, along with H. J. Whitley has been called 'the Father of Hollywood'.

James R. Toberman came to Los Angeles in 1864 when president Abraham Lincoln appointed him U.S. Revenue Assessor. He served six one year terms as Mayor of Los Angeles. He first served between 1872 and 1874 and again from 1878 to 1882. Mayor Toberman switched on the city's first electric streetlights. He helped map out the first street car grid and water and sewer systems.

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2023 5:56 PM

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I am afraid this lovely home is long gone but I thought you'd all like to see it anyway.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xTkdzb.jpg
eBay

I need some help with the words between Rev. and House.*



Of course that whole entire area is now industrial buildings. A far cry from the eBay photograph shown above.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/7HWsYg.jpg



* I just noticed that the eBay seller took a stab at the writing on the back.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Enku6F.jpg
eBay

:shrug:
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ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2023 7:16 PM

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Ok, this is a bit morbid.

The seller doesn't say but I'm pretty sure this is a burial VAULT - but why ALL THE SANDBAGS? :shrug:

"DURLOX CONCRETE GRAVE BOX ALHAMBRA CALIFORNIA FUNERAL POST MORTEM RELATED 1920s"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ypVGlw.jpg
eBay

My first thought was there's a decomposing body inside and they're afraid it might explode.
Of course it could also be a simple stress test. ...(but that's not nearly as much fun as an exploding body) :diablo:



Here's the reverse.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/5HsoVX.jpg




Here it is turned to avoid neck discomfort.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/XWilJJ.jpg


for search purposes:..durlox concrete box box - james irving, alhambra calif. - 1515-f so. sierra vista ave. - ? 122 so. palm ave.
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HossC Mar 31, 2023 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9907083)
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I am afraid this lovely home is long gone but I thought you'd all like to see it anyway.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xTkdzb.jpg
eBay

I need some help with the words between Rev. and House.*


* I just noticed that the eBay seller took a stab at the writing on the back.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Enku6F.jpg
eBay

:shrug:

It looks like the Reverend Charles A Wiesseman moved around the block. Here are the entries I found for him in the CDs. He's only listed at 1411 S Los Angeles in 1900 and 1901:

1899
Wiesseman Charles A., clergyman, r. 1412 Santee.

1900-1901
Wiesseman Chas. A., clergyman, r. 1411 S. Los Angeles.

1901
Wiesseman Rev Charles A, h 1411 S Los Anegels. [sic]

1902
Wiesseman Rev Charles A, h 1335 S Los Angeles.


BTW There's no sign of the house at 1411 S. Los Angeles either.

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2023 8:11 PM

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Thanks, Hoss! :)

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odinthor Mar 31, 2023 8:25 PM

Just for fun, my notebook's notes on Toberman:

Toberman, James R. ca. 1836, born in Virginia; 1864, arrived in L.A. from Texas as Revenue Assessor, position held until ca. 1870; 1868, partner in Hellman, Temple, & Company; also, simultaneously for some period, was an agent not for Wells, Fargo & Company but for the Union Express Company; 1870, present in L.A. as a city councilman with savings of $5,000 and real estate valued at $10,000; September, 1870, sold his share in the bank to I.W. Hellman; 1872, residing on Pico St.; 1872, elected Mayor, serving until 1874; 1878-1882, again Mayor; January 26, 1911, died; “The death of J.R. Toberman, a former Mayor of Los Angeles, a few months ago, removed from our midst a fellow-citizen of sterling manners and great affability. I first met him on the old steamer Orizaba, in February, 1867, on his way to Los Angeles as Collector of Internal Revenue, which position he held for a number of years. Some of the newspapers hereabouts referred to him as the agent of Wells-Fargo Company, which was a mistake; but after leaving the government service, in 1868, he took the agency of an opposition express company called the Union, which did not last long, however, and then he went out on the Hancock survey and bought a thirty-five-acre lot for $100 per acre, much of which is where Tenth and Eleventh, Georgia and Alvarado streets are now a part. He was elected Mayor in 1872 and re-elected twice, and made a good officer. He was the last resident in Los Angeles to wear a silk hat daily, which he gave up only four years ago [ca. 1907]” Los Angeles Times, 4/9/1911.

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2023 8:33 PM

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Thanks, odinthor :),...but when did he start his chocolate company?


wink

BDiH Mar 31, 2023 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Engineeral (Post 9905075)
Another Pacific Electric employees' magazine front page, from the January, 1946, issue. The information from the inside of the magazine says: "COVER PICTURE — Santa Claus Lane, 1945, was a beautiful example of the art of Hollywood lighting engineers. Photographer Harley B. Talbott made this time exposure from the top of the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel one cold December night. The camera was looking east on Hollywood Boulevard. One of PE's main transfer points, Highland Avenue and Hollywood Boulevard, is near the foreground."

https://i.imgur.com/TmHM0sU.jpg

Source: Internet Archive https://archive.org/details/pe-mag-1946-01-jan

Some prominent buildings still stand. The photographer took the picture from the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel which is intact at 7000 Hollywood Boulevard. The building with the illuminated sign "Barker Bros Hollywood" is today the home of the Disney "El Capitan" movie theater at 6838 Hollywood Boulevard, The Hotel Drake building is now owned by the Scientology organization at 6724, and the white building on the left, with the tower, is the Hollywood First National Building at 6777 (at Highland Avenue).

Barker Brothers was a first class furniture store for decades. We shopped there one day in 1959 before seeing The Young Philadelphians at the Paramount (now the El Capitan - again). Loge seats were 60 cents.

riichkay Apr 1, 2023 8:11 AM

Recalling a tragedy that occurred here in the city just over 100 years ago.....


....from the March 16, 1923 edition of a Madison WI. newspaper, often referred to as "America's Finest News Source".....



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

quickstop Apr 1, 2023 2:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9907655)
Recalling a tragedy that occurred here in the city just over 100 years ago.....


....from the March 16, 1923 edition of a Madison WI. newspaper, often referred to as "America's Finest News Source".....



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Are you sure that didn't happen on April 1st:D

riichkay Apr 1, 2023 8:03 PM

I just looked up "Safety Last" on Wikipedia and IMDB....

They both show the U.S. release date as.....wait for it....April 1, 1923.


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