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harryc Oct 12, 2021 3:16 AM
The Gray days
 
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Flaccer05 Oct 12, 2021 10:40 PM
Core starting to exceed height of WP - East Tower

https://i.imgur.com/SJKHxbfl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mcL9eUQl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vodP8QXl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nEv5AXHl.jpg

LouisVanDerWright Oct 14, 2021 2:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Flaccer05 (Post 9422011)
Core starting to exceed height of WP - East Tower

https://i.imgur.com/mcL9eUQl.jpg
You have to admit there's really going to be no specticle like this on Earth once Salesforce is done. What an expansion of the Chicago River canyon. The transformation even since I moved here 15 years ago is astounding. Never even considered the possibility of something like the River Walk happening and this scene of public life that it has generated. Talk about a success story.

rivernorthlurker Oct 14, 2021 3:08 AM
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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 9423286)
You have to admit there's really going to be no specticle like this on Earth once Salesforce is done. What an expansion of the Chicago River canyon. The transformation even since I moved here 15 years ago is astounding. Never even considered the possibility of something like the River Walk happening and this scene of public life that it has generated. Talk about a success story.
Completely agree as much as we pick things apart on this forum. The river canyon's is one of the most impressive urban city spectacles on Earth IMO.

I noticed the big Wendella architecture cruise departing between Wells and Lasalle from the first time as well. I hadn't seen the architecture cruises departing from the South side of the river (that far West) until recently. Much more convenient than trying to find that weird loading area over by Wrigley/Trump towers. Makes the river walk feel even more 'happening' and a bit exciting over there.

I'm excited for Goose Island to get developed on the river soon. There still SO much riverfront land to be developed. If Chicago can incorporate a 'seafaring' identity into it's image and make people think 'boats' when they think of Chicago, then future could be very bright.

rivernorthlurker Oct 14, 2021 3:12 AM
From Milwaukee and Grand. I believe the core form is at ~ 51st floor - so 9 more. It's approximately level with the roof of WPE at 668 ft - another 145 ft to go then. Which eyeballing would put the roof I think just short of the top of the crane in this shot. So it will definitely have presence.

https://i.imgur.com/DJpyaPv.jpg

SIGSEGV Oct 17, 2021 3:02 AM
I guess I got there a little later
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0

harryc Oct 17, 2021 9:01 PM
Oct 14

kolchak Oct 17, 2021 9:11 PM
[QUOTE=harryc;9426089]Oct 14


:slob:

Mikelacey45 Oct 18, 2021 12:25 PM
I just love seeing vista reflection in that building

donnie Oct 18, 2021 2:36 PM
The last pic is reflecting the SEARS tower,150,Nuveen and 110 Wacker or are you referring to a different pic?

Chi-Sky21 Oct 18, 2021 2:38 PM
3rd pic in Harrys set I believe is Regis

BVictor1 Oct 18, 2021 3:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 9426442)
3rd pic in Harrys set I believe is Regis
It sure is.

Steely Dan Oct 18, 2021 3:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 9426442)
3rd pic in Harrys set I believe is Regis
you're right! i totally missed him the first time around. :D

https://i.postimg.cc/vTfbp6yv/regis.png

donnie Oct 18, 2021 4:29 PM
you forgot the halo on Regis! lmao

SIGSEGV Oct 18, 2021 4:40 PM
From yesterday:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0

Koodoo25 Oct 19, 2021 2:19 AM
Oct. 17th
https://i.imgur.com/5vpCtKu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/sf7HBDa.jpg

rivernorthlurker Oct 19, 2021 5:35 AM
55th Floor 110 Wacker during Open House Chicago.

https://i.imgur.com/2929ZMB.jpg

PittsburghPA Oct 19, 2021 6:19 AM
From my uber earlier today. Unfortunately I couldn't time it just right.

https://i.imgur.com/wsVV5Dg.jpg?1

Mikelacey45 Oct 19, 2021 9:23 PM
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Originally Posted by donnie (Post 9426438)
The last pic is reflecting the SEARS tower,150,Nuveen and 110 Wacker or are you referring to a different pic?
I’m referring to the third picture

Mikelacey45 Oct 19, 2021 9:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by donnie (Post 9426438)
The last pic is reflecting the SEARS tower,150,Nuveen and 110 Wacker or are you referring to a different pic?
I’m referring to the third picture

Klippenstein Oct 20, 2021 8:55 PM
10/19
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...281eb00b_b.jpg

left of center Oct 20, 2021 11:14 PM
This is really going to cap the north end of the south bank/Wacker Drive beautifully. We are assuming full height should be somewhere near the top of the crane?

rivernorthlurker Oct 21, 2021 5:14 AM
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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9429550)
This is really going to cap the north end of the south bank/Wacker Drive beautifully. We are assuming full height should be somewhere near the top of the crane?
I think it was top of the crane before they added a couple more floors...

I've tried to overlay the schematic from https://www.333wolfpoint.com/the-icon/ with a picture I took last week from 110 Wacker during the Open House that I posted above. I might be off by one floor, in which case it would be 1 floor higher but I don't think more than that. We'll know very soon as the form is right at the first setback (which starts after floor 50) now with the steel close behind.

https://i.imgur.com/VYWAr2g.png

PittsburghPA Oct 22, 2021 1:38 AM
Didn't they announce the one tenant wanted larger floor heights and they were going to deliver it? That could potentially bump the height? This may have been talked about before on here.

rivernorthlurker Oct 22, 2021 2:12 AM
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Originally Posted by PittsburghPA (Post 9430824)
Didn't they announce the one tenant wanted larger floor heights and they were going to deliver it? That could potentially bump the height? This may have been talked about before on here.
I never heard about that. Reference?

Chicagolover88 Oct 22, 2021 2:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PittsburghPA (Post 9430824)
Didn't they announce the one tenant wanted larger floor heights and they were going to deliver it? That could potentially bump the height? This may have been talked about before on here.
Wait really. You just got my hopes up for a height bump now

rivernorthlurker Oct 22, 2021 2:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PittsburghPA (Post 9430824)
Didn't they announce the one tenant wanted larger floor heights and they were going to deliver it? That could potentially bump the height? This may have been talked about before on here.
Additionally JP Morgan's 270 Park Ave building u/c in NYC is planned to be 1,388 ft at 58 floors! That's 24 ft per floor vs 14 ft for this (though 14' is more in line with most office heights). I've never heard of floor plates that high. It sounds like it's going to be a palace. Makes me dream that Salesforce could have added 2 ft per floor or something lol.

PittsburghPA Oct 22, 2021 5:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Chicagolover88 (Post 9430845)
Wait really. You just got my hopes up for a height bump now
To the best of my recollection Sales Force was pissed because it will delay their move in date to upper floors and certain subs were pissed because they had to redesign certain elements. If I remember correctly it was a law firm? I will do some digging.

rivernorthlurker Oct 22, 2021 5:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PittsburghPA (Post 9430943)
To the best of my recollection Sales Force was pissed because it will delay their move in date to upper floors and certain subs were pissed because they had to redesign certain elements. If I remember correctly it was a law firm? I will do some digging.
That would be Kirkland and Ellis but I hadn't heard about any delays.

BuildThemTaller Oct 22, 2021 2:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9430851)
Additionally JP Morgan's 270 Park Ave building u/c in NYC is planned to be 1,388 ft at 58 floors! That's 24 ft per floor vs 14 ft for this (though 14' is more in line with most office heights). I've never heard of floor plates that high. It sounds like it's going to be a palace. Makes me dream that Salesforce could have added 2 ft per floor or something lol.
There are so many proposed or u/c office towers in NYC with absurd height relative to their floor count.

Project Commodore, 1,565 ft, proposed, 83 floors
270 Park Avenue, 1,388 ft, u/c, 57 floors
PENN 15, 1,270 ft, proposed, 67 floors
The Spiral, 1,041 ft, u/c, 66 floors
50 Hudson Yards, 1,011 ft, u/c, 58 floors
3 Hudson Blvd, 987 ft, 53 floors

thegoatman Oct 22, 2021 2:11 PM
Man New York sprouts supertalls like its nothing, must be nice. We're lucky to get one once a decade, and that's if its not downsized.

chicubs111 Oct 22, 2021 3:49 PM
Pretty much NY sprouts supertalls that Chicago sprouts 400 to 500 ft buildings about... I remember the days when NY pretty much doubled what Chicago did with regards to skyscrapers...now its pretty much 4 to 5 X...not that were not doing great relative to other cities...but NY just went to another stratosphere in the last 15 years

Briguy Oct 22, 2021 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9430851)
Additionally JP Morgan's 270 Park Ave building u/c in NYC is planned to be 1,388 ft at 58 floors! That's 24 ft per floor vs 14 ft for this (though 14' is more in line with most office heights). I've never heard of floor plates that high. It sounds like it's going to be a palace. Makes me dream that Salesforce could have added 2 ft per floor or something lol.
The trading flooors are probably triple height. So 10=400 ft it’s probably more similar to a 85-90 story regular building.

rivernorthlurker Oct 22, 2021 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller (Post 9431078)
There are so many proposed or u/c office towers in NYC with absurd height relative to their floor count.

Project Commodore, 1,565 ft, proposed, 83 floors
270 Park Avenue, 1,388 ft, u/c, 57 floors
PENN 15, 1,270 ft, proposed, 67 floors
The Spiral, 1,041 ft, u/c, 66 floors
50 Hudson Yards, 1,011 ft, u/c, 58 floors
3 Hudson Blvd, 987 ft, 53 floors
Thanks for the comparison. I had no idea about this. Is this like a new trend in building designs? 270 Park is still the outlier at 24ft/floor but a lot of those others are substantial. Where is all the space going...

I found this schematic on https://newyorkyimby.com/2019/11/new...rk-avenue.html even though it's a bit dated and the new building is taller but I imagine the distribution of space is similar.

The color code floors by office/trading/mechanical. The trading are a bit higher than the office but looks like the plethora of amenities will have huge floors and the mechanical seem massive as well. Adding all the amenity heights is probably 600+ ft.

https://i.imgur.com/a2c4Z1m.png

The multi floor amenity levels with trees and the top are going to be incredible in my opinion. This building isn't built just for function, this is going to be a monument to capitalism and a wonder of the 21st century world lol.

dewbs Oct 23, 2021 1:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9430945)
That would be Kirkland and Ellis but I hadn't heard about any delays.
I don't know about the delays or anything Kirkland asked for. I mentioned a few pages back, though, that they take their conference centers very seriously -- they want home field advantage in meetings and to impress clients -- and I would expect that they'd want an extra-tall floor somewhere.

If you walk past 300 N Lasalle, you can see their conference center -- it's the floor with the balcony and the one above it.

For reference, here's a description from an article about a ridiculous private equity battle (link):
Quote:
Kirkland had a famously impressive set-up for such high-stakes meetings. Entire floors in the Citigroup Center in midtown Manhattan consisted of conference room after conference room, where white marble hallways lined by floor-to-ceiling wood panels gave way to larger open spaces and sprawling views of the city.
From "Apollo, Caesars, and Wall Street’s ‘Billionaire
Brawl’ for Control of a Gaming Empire", by Sujeet Indap & Max Frumes March 17, 2021, Institutional Investor.

Briguy Oct 23, 2021 6:07 PM
Will be able to tell soon, but the floor spacing on the core DOES look to be a bit wider on the last few floors???

rivernorthlurker Oct 25, 2021 5:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Briguy (Post 9432092)
Will be able to tell soon, but the floor spacing on the core DOES look to be a bit wider on the last few floors???
Not sure I see it but floors 38/39 are combined into 1 though that is kind of 'accounted for' because they are being counted as 2 floors instead of 1. See the diagram on https://www.333wolfpoint.com/the-icon/. This is also outside of the floors that Salesforce is leasing so maybe this could be 2 floors that Kirkland purchased and asked to be combined (or some other tenant). You can see this in the some of the photos above as well.

In either case, this is gonna be a totally baller space. :slob:

PS - If that is indeed Kirkland's 'showcase space' then it's probably unlikely that there will b any surprise 'super floors' left in construction.

10023 Oct 25, 2021 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9430945)
That would be Kirkland and Ellis but I hadn't heard about any delays.
I thought K&E were in 300 N LaSalle. Wonder why they’re moving so soon.

dewbs Oct 25, 2021 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9432950)
I thought K&E were in 300 N LaSalle. Wonder why they’re moving so soon.
I don't think it's any particular problem with 300 N Lasalle. They've been upgrading many of their offices. In London they just announced they're leaving the Gherkin after 15 years, which is only a bit more than the time they were in 300 N Lasalle (will end up at about 14 years by the time they move in 2023). the firm just has a lot more money than when they signed the lease in 2007 (i.e. profits per partner are higher by a factor of 2.5).

Quote:
Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9432913)
Not sure I see it but floors 38/39 are combined into 1 though that is kind of 'accounted for' because they are being counted as 2 floors instead of 1. See the diagram on https://www.333wolfpoint.com/the-icon/.
The stacking plan shows 38-39 as mechanical: https://www.333wolfpoint.com/wp-cont...cking-Plan.pdf

If you're willing to trust the pixels on that plan, 50 is 20% taller than lower floors, and 49 and 51 are both 10% taller. (there are also clearly some taller floors at the top for Salesforce).

Also worth noting that this plan is clearly from before K&E's lease, since it marks half the building as available (it's dated 2/2020). They took, reportedly, 600k sqft, which would be 23-24 floors given that the website reports 25-26k sqft per floor. That would probably imply they're taking 26-50 or 28/29-54 (recall the two mechanical floors on 38-39). If the latter, 50 and 51 would be natural conference floors, since there's a terrace on 51. So then all that's available to rent is 26-28 or 51-54. (also obviously possible their floors aren't contiguous, with the staff at the bottom and a gap in the middle; they did that at 300 N Lasalle).

bnk Oct 25, 2021 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9432950)
I thought K&E were in 300 N LaSalle. Wonder why they’re moving so soon.
K&E had that tower built for them. Before that they were in the AON building.

chris08876 Oct 26, 2021 12:19 AM
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b53d250f_h.jpg
DSC_2748 by carpe|noctem, on Flickr

harryc Oct 26, 2021 1:39 AM
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Transfer floor

rivernorthlurker Oct 26, 2021 3:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dewbs (Post 9432989)
I don't think it's any particular problem with 300 N Lasalle. They've been upgrading many of their offices. In London they just announced they're leaving the Gherkin after 15 years, which is only a bit more than the time they were in 300 N Lasalle (will end up at about 14 years by the time they move in 2023). the firm just has a lot more money than when they signed the lease in 2007 (i.e. profits per partner are higher by a factor of 2.5).



The stacking plan shows 38-39 as mechanical: https://www.333wolfpoint.com/wp-cont...cking-Plan.pdf

If you're willing to trust the pixels on that plan, 50 is 20% taller than lower floors, and 49 and 51 are both 10% taller. (there are also clearly some taller floors at the top for Salesforce).

Also worth noting that this plan is clearly from before K&E's lease, since it marks half the building as available (it's dated 2/2020). They took, reportedly, 600k sqft, which would be 23-24 floors given that the website reports 25-26k sqft per floor. That would probably imply they're taking 26-50 or 28/29-54 (recall the two mechanical floors on 38-39). If the latter, 50 and 51 would be natural conference floors, since there's a terrace on 51. So then all that's available to rent is 26-28 or 51-54. (also obviously possible their floors aren't contiguous, with the staff at the bottom and a gap in the middle; they did that at 300 N Lasalle).
Thank you for the correction - I didn't realize those were mechanical... Yeah there are clearly some slightly taller floors (by pixels) at the top but nothing that seems like it would add more than a few feet and not already be included in the original height.

Well it's fun to speculate but now I guess I should just wait a weeks and see what they build.

10023 Oct 26, 2021 5:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bnk (Post 9432994)
K&E had that tower built for them. Before that they were in the AON building.
Yep I remember those offices. But I haven’t been to K&E in Chicago since I went to London.

dewbs Oct 30, 2021 1:29 PM
Photo from down the street this morning (link):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...=w600-h1340-no

The mechanical floors on 38-39 seem clearly visible (and they match counting up from the bottom). Counting from there, the heights seem to get a bit taller starting at 50 (not 49...).

Briguy Oct 30, 2021 2:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dewbs (Post 9438463)
Photo from down the street this morning (link):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...=w600-h1340-no

The mechanical floors on 38-39 seem clearly visible (and they match counting up from the bottom). Counting from there, the heights seem to get a bit taller starting at 50 (not 49...).
Fingers crossed, but it looks like 51 is taller as well. If all of 51-54 (Kirklands floors not already higher heights as shown in the diagram) are higher, we could be looking at possibly 15-20 extra feet?

Tombstoner Oct 30, 2021 4:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Briguy (Post 9438501)
Fingers crossed, but it looks like 51 is taller as well. If all of 51-54 (Kirklands floors not already higher heights as shown in the diagram) are higher, we could be looking at possibly 15-20 extra feet?
Off topic: in this photo, striking how the Calatrava sculpture seems to sit in a 3D space defined by the parabolic arch or the building, the sidewalk and reflection of the sidewalk in the building. Of course, that's dependent on the vantagepoint so not designed that way, but cool nonetheless. :cool:

donnie Oct 30, 2021 4:43 PM
Very soon Stonehenge of the America's will be complete.

BVictor1 Nov 3, 2021 3:19 AM
11.02.21

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...909130/enhance

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/ser...909490/enhance

nomarandlee Nov 3, 2021 4:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 9441070)
Very cool. This photo just highlights to me the need to have some sort of sculpture in front of WPS that can match the Calatrava's work at River Point.

I know that originally there was supposed to be some sort of fountain in front of WPS that seems no longer in the cards, I am perfectly Ok with the idea of doing without the fountain but there needs to be something sculptural there.


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