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PHXFireBirds Sep 17, 2020 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9044033)
Interesting. I checked the RO2 brochure and it appears to have been updated with new various renderings. It also now includes a rendering of what looks like a scaled back Meow-Wolf building and what may be a rough sketch of what the Meow-Wolf hotel may have looked like (crazy design!). Also, what is the Godfrey? Haven't heard of this one yet.

http://brochures.w-retail.com/AZ-Pho...2ndSt-RO2-2019

WOW! These projects look AMAZING! I hope we can still somehow get Meow Wolf and Atari hotels. In the RO2 brouchure, it looks like there's a rendering of the Atari hotel on the corner of 1st and Portland.

Also if you drive by McDowell, Little O's (OHSO's property) is getting done fairly quickly.

xymox Sep 17, 2020 4:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9044043)
I knew it was only a matter of time before this area started to heat up for development.



Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...-corridor.html

Yes but it’ll be years and years before this grows. Desert Ridge is MUCH closer in - especially to the air park and still isn’t filled out as envisioned over 30 years ago.

The NE corner of I-17/L303 is zoned similarly and so far has only managed to attract one employer over about 20 years. It’s to the point where they are now re-zoning a lot of what was supposed to be the ‘core’ for the North Gateway village - which had height limits up to 200ft at one point...

Not to mention that Peoria is planning an airport just west of there - which would ultimately put some limitations on the types of buildings that could be put here.

I dunno - I think the city of PHX should put more focus on things that they planned and never completed before opening up this for this kind of development. I just don’t see why I’d choose to build a campus for my company there vs in many of the spaces available much closer in...

Code5 Sep 17, 2020 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9044033)
Interesting. I checked the RO2 brochure and it appears to have been updated with new various renderings. It also now includes a rendering of what looks like a scaled back Meow-Wolf building and what may be a rough sketch of what the Meow-Wolf hotel may have looked like (crazy design!). Also, what is the Godfrey? Haven't heard of this one yet.

http://brochures.w-retail.com/AZ-Pho...2ndSt-RO2-2019

Nothing looks changed or updated when I look at it. Unfortunately, I'm going to be a negative Nancy here and say, I dont think half these buildings are going to be built by True North.

Especially if they stopped the Knipe Housr 5 story Office. They had a deadline of December from the city officials to break ground on the RO2 office highrise. I dont believe that's going to happen anymore. As sad as that makes me.

They're building that Moon Tower on the site where the Meow Wolf hotel was supposed to be, right?

BA744PHX Sep 17, 2020 5:53 PM

Small update regarding Astra, from the meeting Monday, it was mentioned the second tower was only 360 Feet with 4 Floors of office, the previous update with the city increased to 415 it was 8 floors, hopefully they will change their mind again

azliam Sep 17, 2020 6:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BA744PHX (Post 9044846)
Small update regarding Astra, from the meeting Monday, it was mentioned the second tower was only 360 Feet with 4 Floors of office, the previous update with the city increased to 415 it was 8 floors, hopefully they will change their mind again

Wasn't the second tower originally supposed to be 359 ft before it was increased?

BA744PHX Sep 17, 2020 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by azliam (Post 9044860)
Wasn't the second tower originally supposed to be 359 ft before it was increased?

Correct

Mr.RE Sep 17, 2020 8:42 PM

Did their meeting include any photo-realistic renderings of the project? If anyone has a link to their presentation, please post! :D

BA744PHX Sep 17, 2020 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.RE (Post 9045107)
Did their meeting include any photo-realistic renderings of the project? If anyone has a link to their presentation, please post! :D

The meeting was rushed for Astra since they spent 40 minutes discussing FOOD TRUCKS!! Insane!!!!

They had a few renderings, however they didn't keep them for more then a second due to the rush

ChaseM Sep 17, 2020 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BA744PHX (Post 9045139)
The meeting was rushed for Astra since they spent 40 minutes discussing FOOD TRUCKS!! Insane!!!!

They had a few renderings, however they didn't keep them for more then a second due to the rush

I wonder if a records request could be submitted for the renderings?

azliam Sep 17, 2020 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BA744PHX (Post 9045139)
The meeting was rushed for Astra since they spent 40 minutes discussing FOOD TRUCKS!! Insane!!!!

They had a few renderings, however they didn't keep them for more then a second due to the rush

I've been checking the SCB website almost daily to see if there are any renderings, but had had no luck finding anything.

CrestedSaguaro Sep 17, 2020 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseM (Post 9045187)
I wonder if a records request could be submitted for the renderings?

It would only come back with what was submitted with the original site development plan, so nothing new would be available.

In regards to the 2nd tower, yes it has been raised to 415'ish. I suspect Mr. Woods was either not updated on the proposed changes or they may have been changed again. I've sent an email to Nick Woods to see if the renderings are available. I will post them if they are available.

Diamonddave Sep 17, 2020 10:48 PM

Thanks Crested for your time, also I am with you on the maybe misunderstanding of the new height

Obadno Sep 18, 2020 3:04 PM

I think you guys all need to relax on true north.

There plans were always extremely ambitious and they have been much more legitimate than I ever expected.

It’s a huge multi year multi project endeavor, just because there has not been any heavy equipment in a couple weeks does not mean that the project is dead.

And economically in the reverse of 2008 Phoenix metro is actually weathering the current economic fallout better than almost any other major metro.

biggus diggus Sep 18, 2020 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 9045864)
I think you guys all need to relax on true north.

There plans were always extremely ambitious and they have been much more legitimate than I ever expected.

It’s a huge multi year multi project endeavor, just because there has not been any heavy equipment in a couple weeks does not mean that the project is dead.

And economically in the reverse of 2008 Phoenix metro is actually weathering the current economic fallout better than almost any other major metro.

Everyone read that post twice to make sure you get it.

Downtown Phoenix is a weird micro-economy. A lot of business both current and future are very dependent on people's disposable income. Most people have slowed spending and it's a worst-case scenario for boutiques, bars, and hip/fun restaurants. Developers aren't going to build unless the bottom line looks good and right now the prospect of building hotels, retail and nightlife space isn't too attractive.

There should be no surprise that things are being re-evaluated. It'll happen or it wont.

ASU Diablo Sep 18, 2020 10:51 PM

Del Rio landfill site may be redeveloped into produce market, park
 
Nice to see some development, besides industrial/business parks, along the Salt River in the South Side. Turning an old landfill site into a produce market is a step in the right direction...

https://azbigmedia.com/real-estate/h...e-market-park/

Obadno Sep 18, 2020 11:35 PM

For example

https://azbigmedia.com/business/ariz...-drops-to-5-9/

Arizona gained 80k jobs in august with a 5.9% unemployment rate, National is currently at 8.4%

Again the economic damage of the pandemic is arbitrarily inflicted, it is more like a supply or war shock then something we are used too (2008).

Try north may well be pausing their construction of office but we went from all time highs to all time lows and back to something more like a standard recession in 6 months, it’s pretty wild give companies a second to get on solid ground.

thespiandave Sep 19, 2020 7:48 PM

Here are a few pics of my walk around downtown this morning!

New Apartments at 8th St and Roosevelt
https://i.imgur.com/BIEDl96.jpg

Broadstone (New Build) from 5th St and Portland
https://i.imgur.com/XY9KaV8.jpg

Wexford from 4th St and McKinley
https://i.imgur.com/K3YTpuX.jpg

Link (Phase 2) from 4th St and Pierce
https://i.imgur.com/9c4yf78.jpg

Link from 4th St and Fillmore
https://i.imgur.com/9Qr1pLY.jpg

Adeline from 5th St and Jefferson
https://i.imgur.com/seyPNcz.jpg

Diamonddave Sep 19, 2020 8:48 PM

Great pics thanks for your time and share.

ASUSunDevil Sep 19, 2020 10:42 PM

Thanks for the pics! Wexford building looks fantastic.

fawd Sep 20, 2020 1:29 AM

Gah!! Jefferson is going to be so cool to drive down.


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