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MSG has about seven years left before they will be forced to leave, BTW. There are actually three unrelated projects going on that will eventually connect to the existing Penn: 1. Moynihan Station (which is basically just a train hall for the existing platforms), 2. MSG (which will either be demolished or repurposed as a train hall/mixed use redevelopment) and 3. Gateway (which will be a new train terminal/platforms, built underground, to the south, connected to the existing Penn). Moynihan is an LIRR and Amtrak project (though Metro North will probably replace Amtrak once Gateway is built), Gateway is an Amtrak project (and possibly NJ Transit) and MSG is unclear at this point. |
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https://www.designboom.com/architect...rk-01-08-2016/ https://www.designboom.com/wp-conten...ignboom-05.jpg https://www.designboom.com/wp-conten...ignboom-06.jpg https://www.designboom.com/wp-conten...02-818x509.jpg https://www.designboom.com/wp-conten...03-818x591.jpg https://www.designboom.com/wp-conten...ignboom-11.jpg Remembering an earlier plan... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/ny...n.html?mcubz=0 New Grandeur for Penn Station in Latest Plan By CHARLES V. BAGLI JULY 4, 2007 Quote:
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...-before-moving MSG wants Farley alterations before moving The most striking change to the James A. Farley Post Office would be the installation of a huge glass wall between the train hall and the Garden. By Anne Michaud October 16, 2007 Quote:
The window for putting a new MSG into the Farley has passed, but it would have went something like this... http://m1.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...sM7uE.rpa1.jpg http://m7.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...rleyGarden.jpg http://m0.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...leyGarden2.jpg A few more looks... http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showth...=3579&page=166 http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attach...2&d=1355083433 http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attach...9&d=1355083385 http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attach...1&d=1355083431 I don't know if anyone here remembers the original plans to put office towers into the back side of the Farley Building. There was a design contest with about 5 or so firms submitting plans. |
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Admittedly I haven't read through the thread, so entertain me. But I was wondering about some of the logistics of this project in particular. - Will this be considered a new station, or do we think it's numbers will be reported with Penn Station's when it's operational? - In that same vein, are trains/platforms being moved to Moynihan, or is this project simply creating a new access to particular platforms. Regardless, what in particular is Moynihan taking from Penn Station in terms of service/access/platforms? Thanks. Love this project. |
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You could consider it an expanded Penn Station, because that's what it will be more or less. But it will be the focal point of Penn Station. The platforms are being extended. The Amtrak and LIRR trains will terminate there, LIRR will also utilize the existing platforms as well as NJ Transit (though Cuomo claims no LIRR passenger will ever have to enter the old Penn Station again). It's similar in a way to the new LIRR terminal at Grand Central, though that one will have new patforms built underneath existing ones. It will all flow together as one station. Eventually, when the Hotel Pennsylvania is demolished, we will have a direct connection to the PATH terminal, as well as more subway lines. That will be very similar to the current Fulton Terminal - WTC PATH Station - Brookfield Place continuous pedestrian concourse. It will stretch from 6th Ave & Broadway all the way to 9th Avenue and the Hudson Yards. |
When the new Gateway tunnels are completed, we could get an expanded station to the south that would look something like this...
http://www.realtransit.org/nec17.php http://www.realtransit.org/images/nec/nec85.png http://www.realtransit.org/images/nec/nec87.png |
So, essentially, Moynihan Station replaces the operations of the LIRR and Amtrak at Penn Station? Does this mean NJ Transit operations stay in Penn Station proper? Just trying to figure out of the three services which ones will be mainly accessed through which "station" as it sounds like Penn Station proper is basically going to lose it's "main" status and become the "back" of the house. Thanks!
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At the end of this clip, you can see the concourse connections currently under Farley... This clip also explains it a little better... |
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I mean seriously, nothing is getting done and even ESA which is under construction has seen 15 years of delays. I'm 32 years old, but if this is built at the same rate of speed of ESA I'll be retired before it's ready to ferry me to work. |
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKBN1AQ2J8 New York train tunnel project hires expert in public-private finance Hilary Russ August 10, 2017 Quote:
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Massive crane was on site today. Things are starting to get interesting here.
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I can't be the only one who honestly thought that this would never happen.
In somewhat related news, Gateway might actually happen too... |
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All of the pieces are coming together.
The crane is up. Looks like there may be another going up. SEPTEMBER 10, 2017 http://m2.i.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/...910_085820.jpg http://m3.i.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/...910_085755.jpg |
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Would make sense to have one crane on either side of the courtyard ...
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let's be on the lookout for construction twitter/instagram pics inside --
i would like to see what it looks like while they are working with the big cranes up in there. :tup: |
Let me just say that that crane now looks extra ominous when it's hanging over 31st Street. Very long.
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When and if they do the Penn South concourses they should make space for the L and 7 trains to be connected to the station as well. Linking those two lines would be a smart idea.
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