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Capacity improvements are largely administrative (refusal to plan for through running) and infrastructure (MSG makes platform level improvements hard. The Dolans think they have a god-given right to remain, and Cuomo doesn't seem interested in pushing the issue, for now. Clearing out the clutter that is the current Amtrak/LIRR ticketing facilities is a worthwhile step; most importantly, I fail to see how it precludes future track-level improvements. If anything, increasing revenue and better utilizing space would make future improvements simpler. |
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If the Station is basically being rebuilt(now with both Amtrak and LIRR) across the avenue at the Farley post office,which should have been the idea from the very beginning, why would there be a need to tear down MSG?? Once Moynihan/Penn is complete.. the reason for having MSG torn down to rebuild Penn Station is gone! MSG and the Dolans are going nowhere..New rail station across the street,and they'll be the center of the new dynamic Penn/ Hudson yards area. I see no reason for them to be pushed out or leave now. |
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MSG is in the way of that. |
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In addition to the new Farley/Moynihan expansion for Penn Station on the last page of this thread....
Here is a new proposal set forth by the Practice for Architecture and Urbanism to transform/repurpose the existing Madison Square Garden into a grand new train hall for Penn Station I encourage you to read the NYTimes article as well with more interactive graphics https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...f-jumbo-v2.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...OD5W-jumbo.jpg https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8331/2...0f46eac3_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8282/2...847f855f_b.jpg https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8555/2...25338c34_b.jpg https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5033/2...b1e6917f_b.jpg https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5625/2...6c3f69e8_b.jpg Original subway entrances and staircases can remain https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8551/2...206f6021_b.jpg https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5758/2...137ec36f_b.jpg https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8555/2...877a61ed_b.jpg https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5179/2...8069c29b_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8131/2...9c7e7650_b.jpg https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5635/2...6ef5c72b_b.jpg Quote:
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oh boy -- iz juz like teh forum mall ceiling in vegas baby!
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^ There will be multiple access points, similar to the way NJ Transit currently operates entrance points both at the main 8th Ave concourse, and the "newer" 7th Ave concourse.
http://therealdeal.com/2016/11/01/vornado-post-roth/ Envisioning a post-Roth Vornado: Will the REIT chief leave a void that’s impossible to fill? http://s13.therealdeal.com/trd/up/20...-3-768x568.jpg November 01, 2016 By Hiten Samtani and Will Parker Quote:
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“Every time you go into Penn Station you should be a little bitter. Spit on the floor.”
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Moving the garden is important, but two penn plaza should really be demolished for penn, its air rights transferred to any number of sites.
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Penn Station, in anything even vaguely resembling it's original incarnation, will never be rebuilt. Why? The Madison Square Garden Corporation owns the land on which the Garden sits. Even if the city won't renew it's operation permit, if forced, the company will tear down MSG, and build an office tower to replace it. Under no circumstances will they give up the property voluntarily. And if the city wanted to take it by eminent domain, they'd have to pay MSG it's fair market value, given it's development potential. The city isn't going to come up with that money.
A little old, but topical: http://ny.curbed.com/2013/5/13/10244...forced-to-move |
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Huh, is this true? How did I not know this? If they own the land, why do they need to keep renewing their permit from the city to operate? |
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The city's own plan involved removing the arena and replacing it with office towers (and a rebuilt Penn Station underneath. If MSG doesn't get a renewed permit from the city, it will have no way of hosting the Knicks, Rangers, and any of the daily arena activities that take place. No way they would want to lose out on that income. Beyond that, the city owns all of the zoning keys, including what types of buildings can go on that land, and the form they would take. It's a game of chicken, but there's a reason they say you can't beat city hall. I'm sure the city doesn't want to lose those events either, but it has the upper hand here, as does the state. http://m0.i.pbase.com/u42/nyguy/uplo...stsidemap3.JPG http://m1.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...sM7uE.rpa1.jpg http://m2.i.pbase.com/o3/06/102706/1...m8.Fosterb.JPG Other early plans... http://m6.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...P6VJTB.ms5.JPG http://m7.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...PAVvww.ms6.JPG http://m3.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...Oyp8g.ms11.JPG http://m1.i.pbase.com/o6/06/102706/1...Ppzc2.ms10.JPG |
they really have to pin down an alternate site and make it attractive before going on about booting out msg. the city needs its big, flexible arena too.
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Nothing other than a hunch, but certainly a non-zero chance. |
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