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ethereal_reality Dec 8, 2022 9:28 PM

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That's an amazing piece of ephemera, MartinTurnbull...Thanks for posting it large enough so that we're able to read the two recipes. :)

If anyone would like to check out Martin's website go to martinturnbull. He's the author of Hollywood's Garden of Allah. .among other fine books.


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ethereal_reality Dec 8, 2022 10:16 PM

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I'm hoping someone can enlighten me on, what I assume is, a theater company named Troupers. ..The slide was taken in 1983. .my first full year in Los Angeles. . but I don't recall ever seeing this 2 story house along LaBrea . .and I certainly don't remember the Troupers.


Here's the eBay seller's description:.. Original 35mm Slide - Hollywood Ca Los Angeles 1983 - 1627 N La Brea

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/GXsgwt.jpg
eBay

Note the auditorium in the back. ...(is that Abby Hoffman?)



If you look closely (see detail below) the sign hanging on the front porch says "300 seats" which I take means 300 seats in the auditorium.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/SgLCOT.jpg
detail


And on closer inspection I was surprised to see a different street number on the auditorium. (1625)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/37tftN.jpg


By the time 1983 rolled around the Troupers had been in the house for at least 22 years!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/spFgcR.jpg
LAPL


Help! I want more information on this theater company :whip: . . .and while you're at it, Sullivans Lounge.

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odinthor Dec 8, 2022 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9810480)
Apropos of, well, very little...I just noticed that by the end of the year this forum thread could reach 3000 (!) pages. Or 6000 if you set the posts per page at ten instead of twenty like I do. So that would mean there's 17 or 34 pages to go, or 340 more posts to make. Which would be around 14.2 posts a day. However, 340 posts previous to this one occurred around October 12th. So unlikely.

Anyway, I saw this interesting article:

The Japanese Fishing Village That Vanished From Los Angeles
Link HERE.

https://www.messynessychic.com/wp-co...71-930x735.jpg© National Archives
80 years ago: View of main street at Terminal Island in Los Angeles Harbor, 1942.

Here, from the Renié 1941 charts, is the general area discussed in the article:

https://i.postimg.cc/k5xpgnG3/Term-I...rb-Renie41.jpg
Renié 1941 Atlas of Los Angeles

CanyonKid Dec 8, 2022 11:21 PM

Wayne McAllister
 
Whenever I get my car repaired, I walk to Bob's Big Boy for coffee and a burger. I want to send some Wayne McAllister appreciation. I know he comes up from time to time. Here's some info about him and the restaurant:

"The postwar coffee shop and Los Angeles go together like a hamburger and French fries. Bob’s Big Boy in Burbank is one of the most iconic postwar coffee shops in Los Angeles.

Bob Wian built his first restaurant, Bob’s Pantry, in Glendale in 1936. Bob’s Big Boy on Riverside Drive is one of the earliest surviving of Wian’s restaurants and part of a larger expansion of his chain in the late 1940s. The 1949 restaurant is a transitional design incorporating 1940s Streamline Moderne styles (broad, curving window walls and canopies) while anticipating the exuberance of freeform ‘50s coffee shop architecture (cantilevers, striking signage, use of glass).

Coffee shops of this era raised billboards to an art form, and the thirty-five-foot neon Bob’s sign is an integral part of the building. The larger sign made the coffee shop visible to passing automobiles and helped establish Bob’s as a brand.

The building was designed by Wayne McAllister, an architectural designer whose range of work included the Agua Caliente Casino and Hotel in Tijuana, early Las Vegas hotels such as El Rancho Vegas and the Sands Hotel, as well as many of Los Angeles’ iconic mid-century restaurants and coffee shops.

Now the oldest operating Bob’s Big Boy in the nation, this location was threatened with demolition in the 1990s, long before the renaissance of Mid-Century Modernism.

The owner has since reinvested in the building’s Modern splendor and successfully uses its historic designation as a marketing tool." - LA Conservancy

https://i.postimg.cc/T2Vpb6Bt/B7-A6-...2-A41-AAD2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/0jsj4WKG/1200px...oy-Burbank.jpg
Wikipedia

https://i.postimg.cc/kGvGPQW0/195573...319b974b46.jpg
Pinterest

https://i.postimg.cc/25gVQ8zK/herberts1.jpg
Restaurant-ingthroughhistory.com

odinthor Dec 8, 2022 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9810730)
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I'm hoping someone can enlighten me on, what I assume is, a theater company named Troupers. ..The slide was taken in 1983. .my first full year in Los Angeles. . but I don't recall ever seeing this 2 story house along LaBrea . .and I certainly don't remember the Troupers.


Here's the eBay seller's description:.. Original 35mm Slide - Hollywood Ca Los Angeles 1983 - 1627 N La Brea

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/GXsgwt.jpg
eBay

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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/spFgcR.jpg
LAPL


Help! I want more information on this theater company :whip: . . .and while you're at it, Sullivans Lounge.

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e_r, some material on the Troupers:

https://i.postimg.cc/3x9ZSdkw/Troupe...-1930-3-30.jpg
LA Times, 3/30/1930

https://i.postimg.cc/bYb9X6ZW/Troupers-LAT-1948-5-3.jpg
LA Times, 5/3/1948

The following, I remember reading about when it happened:

https://i.postimg.cc/BQ0cJxD6/Troupe...-1976-4-24.jpg
LA Times, 4/24/1976

And as for the parcel across the street:

https://i.postimg.cc/bwYxtpmf/Sulliv...-1953-5-14.jpg
LA Times, 5/14/1953

ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2022 1:23 AM

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:previous: Thanks for the information, odinthor.

So the Troupers bought the house (and auditorium? ) in 1948 for $70,000. That seems like a lot to me. How much is that in today's money?

And I imagine the auditorium was originally a garage . . maybe.

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ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2022 1:38 AM

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This is a total surprise.

Believe it or not, the Grateful Dead played the Troupers Auditorium on March 25, 1966. . .


So we get a peek inside.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/1SkY8c.jpg
dead.net

At the last minute they had someone run out and buy bolts of fabric to decorate the stage. And there they are in photograph!




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/mJVMJl.jpg
postertrip





Troupers Hall
Los Angeles, CA
03/25/66

1. Stealin' [#1:37]
2. Jam [7:41]
3. Hey Little One [4:46]
4. Hog For You Baby [2:49]
5. You Don't Have To Ask [5:56]
6. Cold Rain And Snow [3:24]
7. Next Time You See Me [2:30#]

"The last recording I have of the Dead's sojourn to Los Angeles is of the show they played at Trouper's Hall in Los Angeles on 3/25/66. Trouper's Hall was the meeting room for a retired actors club in Hollywood, and was possibly the location of the Sunset Acid Test, which also occurred on 3/25."...

gdlistening

And you can listening to the live performance at the internetarchive

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CanyonKid Dec 9, 2022 1:38 AM

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$70,000 in 1948 would be about $847,389 in 2022.

ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2022 1:48 AM

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:stunned: someone had some deep pockets.

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odinthor Dec 9, 2022 2:29 AM

Here's about the Troupers at their earlier location, 1742 Ivar:

https://i.postimg.cc/d348Wf0x/Troupe...-1929-1-29.jpg
LA Times, 1/29/1929

JimCraig Dec 9, 2022 2:03 PM

Back when Bud Testa was the host of the Rudolph Valentino Memorial Service at the Hollywood Cemetery he always invited the "Troupers' Chaplain" to give the invocation. I remember Troupers' Chaplains Jack Kelley and Pilson Potter.

MartinTurnbull Dec 9, 2022 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9810658)
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That's an amazing piece of ephemera, MartinTurnbull...Thanks for posting it large enough so that we're able to read the two recipes. :)

If anyone would like to check out Martin's website go to martinturnbull. He's the author of Hollywood's Garden of Allah. .among other fine books.


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Thanks ethereal_reality. The scan was sent to me by a German collector of vintage radio shows after he found my page of images I've collected on the Paris Inn. He also sent me a bunch of fun images that I added to the page, which people can check out here:

https://martinturnbull.com/2016/04/0...t-los-angeles/

Martin Pal Dec 9, 2022 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9810771)
Here, from the Renié 1941 charts, is the general area discussed in the article:

https://i.postimg.cc/k5xpgnG3/Term-I...rb-Renie41.jpg
Renié 1941 Atlas of Los Angeles
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Much appreciated Odinthor, now I've got my bearings straight. (Bering Strait?)

Martin Pal Dec 9, 2022 6:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9810730)
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I'm hoping someone can enlighten me on, what I assume is, a theater company named Troupers. ..The slide was taken in 1983. .my first full year in Los Angeles. . but I don't recall ever seeing this 2 story house along LaBrea . .and I certainly don't remember the Troupers.


Here's the eBay seller's description:.. Original 35mm Slide - Hollywood Ca Los Angeles 1983 - 1627 N La Brea
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I have no recollection of this place, either, E_R. The 1627 address is near Hawthorn. There's a lot of new buildings around there. The earliest GSV image from 2007 shows a lot of construction and digging going on there. I wonder how long the house lasted.

HossC Dec 9, 2022 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9811642)

I have no recollection of this place, either, E_R. The 1627 address is near Hawthorn. There's a lot of new buildings around there. The earliest GSV image from 2007 shows a lot of construction and digging going on there. I wonder how long the house lasted.

If I'm reading the views at Historic Aerials correctly, the house was gone by 1992. I'm pretty sure it's still visible on the 1985 image, but the one from 1989 is too blurry to tell. The auditorium building appears to have survived until around 2005. It was gone by the time the Googlemobile made its first visit in 2007, as mentioned by Martin Pal.

ethereal_reality Dec 9, 2022 9:05 PM

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Here's another auditorium-like building that was recently posted on eBay. (sold)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/2Uq58O.jpg
eBay

Hmm. . .so was the area around Figueroa and 53rd St. home to a Greek enclave in past? :shrug:


update:

I just checked Figueroa and 53rd St. and I'm pretty sure it's gone. It was either replaced by a giant seashell, a parking lot or it's now an empty lot.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/zNNA4F.jpg

Check the area out for yourself here.

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odinthor Dec 9, 2022 9:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9811630)
Much appreciated Odinthor, now I've got my bearings straight. (Bering Strait?)

I had meant to post the following link when we were discussing Terminal Island and Brighton Beach before; and now it is relevant again, vis-a-vis the Japanese community.

This is a link to a transcript of interviews of Hancock Banning Jr., and includes much of interest, not only about Terminal Island but also about Catalina and so on.

The reminiscence of the Japanese presence on Terminal Island begins on the manuscript's page 114 (the online doc's pagination makes it the e-doc's page 123).

https://static.library.ucla.edu/oral...h-1-master.pdf

Ossrae Dec 10, 2022 1:17 AM

There were a lot of movie theaters in this area. *The Westlake Theater. Much of the lavish interior survives, though in great need of restoration/refurbishment. A few months ago I got a chance to go through there and post some pix here: http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/497

*The De Luxe Theater was on the next block south. It stopped being a theater long ago, but the building has been repurposed for many uses, its last being a 99 Cents Store. It's currently in disuse and up for sale. http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/37887 Back in 1915 there was a showing of some of the silent Oz movies there with L. Frank Baum, author of the Oz books, as a special guest.

*The Vagabond Theater on Wilshire Blvd. I went in its latter days when it was a revival theater. In 2006 it returned to being a live theater and is now the Hayworth. http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1170

*The Lake. http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/5065

*The Park. The theater was gutted in 1986, but the facade is still there, just up the street from Langer's. http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2339



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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9808482)
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Hmmmm. GW, for what it's worth, here's the stretch of Westlake Avenue from 7th (lower left) north to . . . ummmmm . . . I think it's W. Maryland St. (upper right), the crossings between being Orange (Wilshire), and 6th.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKNNncYN/Westlake-Avenue.jpg
1909 birdseye map

:shrug:


CaliNative Dec 10, 2022 7:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9811870)
I had meant to post the following link when we were discussing Terminal Island and Brighton Beach before; and now it is relevant again, vis-a-vis the Japanese community.

This is a link to a transcript of interviews of Hancock Banning Jr., and includes much of interest, not only about Terminal Island but also about Catalina and so on.

The reminiscence of the Japanese presence on Terminal Island begins on the manuscript's page 114 (the online doc's pagination makes it the e-doc's page 123).

https://static.library.ucla.edu/oral...h-1-master.pdf

What happened to Americans of Japanese ancestry during WW2 is a disgrace. Look at all the uprooted people and their communities, like this village on Terminal Island. It is especially to be noted that German Americans were untouched, even though some were Nazi sympathizers and member of the Bund. The internment was FDR's biggest mistake, made in the days early in the war when a Japanese attack on the mainland seemed possible.

In war, constitutional rights often get shredded. Even our most esteemed President, Lincoln, suspended some constitutional rights when he thought it necessary to preserve the union.

Of course many Japanese Americans, while outraged about the internment, were eager to prove their patriotism and served with distinction and bravery in Europe.

Martin Pal Dec 10, 2022 6:00 PM

^^^

Interestingly enough, on Hawaii the Japanese were not interned as they couldn't go anywhere. When I worked in Culver City in the late '70s - early '80s, a woman of Japanese ancestry also worked there. In the file room one day I walked in and several people were there. It was December 7 and I said, "Today's Pearl Harbor day, I think I'll go out tonight and get bombed." (Do people still say "bombed" as a term for getting drunk?) After a few titters, that woman said, "I was there that day."

When one thinks of something as a historical event you don't necessarily think anyone you're acquainted with would've been there. I was floored. I asked her about it. She said she was a small child and out playing with other children in the morning. They saw all of the planes flying overhead on the way to the Harbor and the kids were all waving at them and enjoying the spectacle. She didn't use the word enjoying. She did feel the need to say, "We were just children, we didn't know," something I just understood to be the case. At the time she then would've probably been in her 40's. 50 at most. Now I wished I'd asked her to sit down later and talk about it all and what it was like in Hawaii and all that, but I was too young to realize that at the time.


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